Was going through the Tomsula/Kelly years the best for us?

Posted in another thread, but applicable here ….

The 49ers crawled to greatness through 20 years of s**t smelling foulness I can't even imagine, or maybe I just don't want to. 20 years, that's a generation, just shy of a quarter century.

The 49ers, who crawled through a river of s**t and came out clean on the other side.

"My X's and O's philosophy are quite simply you build a team to a scheme. You go into the draft, you go into free agency and you acquire…you're in the talent acquiring business, to a scheme, OK? And then I feel like the most thing is when that's over, now you have to do a 180. And now, see I look at it from a personnel to fit a scheme. So, I'm looking at that scheme and I'm trying to fit the pieces. We don't live in a perfect world, it's not a perfect science. Things happen. People aren't available. So, once we have that talent and we have those players, now we have to flip that and now we look at it, we want to take that scheme and fit it to the players. So to me, when you talk philosophical, that's the way in building your schematics and building your approach to teaching and your building blocks, that's where the…you have to have that latitude going in there to be able to… It's a structure. We stay within our structure, but you have to have that latitude to be able to adapt and adjust your schematics to fit the players. So, I hope that answers your question."

-Jim Tomsula

Originally posted by IrishCrnjo:
"My X's and O's philosophy are quite simply you build a team to a scheme. You go into the draft, you go into free agency and you acquire…you're in the talent acquiring business, to a scheme, OK? And then I feel like the most thing is when that's over, now you have to do a 180. And now, see I look at it from a personnel to fit a scheme. So, I'm looking at that scheme and I'm trying to fit the pieces. We don't live in a perfect world, it's not a perfect science. Things happen. People aren't available. So, once we have that talent and we have those players, now we have to flip that and now we look at it, we want to take that scheme and fit it to the players. So to me, when you talk philosophical, that's the way in building your schematics and building your approach to teaching and your building blocks, that's where the…you have to have that latitude going in there to be able to… It's a structure. We stay within our structure, but you have to have that latitude to be able to adapt and adjust your schematics to fit the players. So, I hope that answers your question."

-Jim Tomsula

Under Tomsula we were certainly missing an O.

If that is what it took for Denise (probably, maybe Jed, but probably his mom) to hire an outside football expert, who knew the game inside and out, to come in and do an analaysis of WTF happened to our storied franchise, and why were we continually the bottom of the barrel for the last 20 yrs (minus 2 yrs of harbaw when he was unable to develop an O and threw away our chance for a SB Win).

So she hired JL, only if it could be done on the QT(his request) to investigate and report back to her. He laid it all out. Trouble started upstairs, and involved all making the decisions, all making the coaching choices, and so on. He gave her his recommendations, and next thing you know he is getting offered the GM job as well as getting what our HC wanted.

So yes, altho it was painful and the franchise just devolved into trash, it did result in Kyle/JL and once that happened, the spell was broken and we were on our way. With 42 guys needed to be cut from the roster that made it a 3 yr job. And , here we are..

So yeah, it was worth it but i sure wish Denise had tried this out a tad earlier. Like about 15 yrs ago. I posted long ago that we would stay at the bottom until ownership changed. I never considered Denise's route. And it was the right one. BTW, Thank you , Denise.

Is barfing good?

NO.

We have 2 more games to see If all that pain was worth it. But to me that setback was so bad we didn't really even accumulate as many good players like most terrible teams usually do. It took Shanahan and Lynch to really fix this team.

I think it made the fan base stronger. Most of us stuck with the team through the hardest period of the franchises existence....we demanded excellence....and the owner answered. We hungrier and more dedicated than ever.

We didnt need those two meatheads to draft bosa. We did it with shanny. If baalke was here he would have dealt the 2 pick for 8 third rounders.

Value.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

If that is what it took for Denise (probably, maybe Jed, but probably his mom) to hire an outside football expert, who knew the game inside and out, to come in and do an analaysis of WTF happened to our storied franchise, and why were we continually the bottom of the barrel for the last 20 yrs (minus 2 yrs of harbaw when he was unable to develop an O and threw away our chance for a SB Win).

So she hired JL, only if it could be done on the QT(his request) to investigate and report back to her. He laid it all out. Trouble started upstairs, and involved all making the decisions, all making the coaching choices, and so on. He gave her his recommendations, and next thing you know he is getting offered the GM job as well as getting what our HC wanted.

So yes, altho it was painful and the franchise just devolved into trash, it did result in Kyle/JL and once that happened, the spell was broken and we were on our way. With 42 guys needed to be cut from the roster that made it a 3 yr job. And , here we are..

So yeah, it was worth it but i sure wish Denise had tried this out a tad earlier. Like about 15 yrs ago. I posted long ago that we would stay at the bottom until ownership changed. I never considered Denise's route. And it was the right one. BTW, Thank you , Denise.

Nice! Yes, hats off to Denise.

Still can't believe how thoroughly Lynch cleared out the roster and how quickly he rebuilt it to the current standard. I don't recall ever seeing such a fundamental restructuring and to such a high standard. This year with all its injuries has shown the strength in depth that Lynch/Peters/Mayhew/etc have brought in. Just unbelievable!

It's like going down the road and being blindsided by a deer-- TWICE. You can't learn s**t from it. You just know it's not good. Don't let it happen again. And moving on down the road.

Originally posted by cortana49:
LOL, no it wasn't. It was good for Jed, but not for us. Jed learned. We already knew what was going to happen.

This thread shouldn't have been made until we win it all.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
If that is what it took for Denise (probably, maybe Jed, but probably his mom) to hire an outside football expert, who knew the game inside and out, to come in and do an analaysis of WTF happened to our storied franchise, and why were we continually the bottom of the barrel for the last 20 yrs (minus 2 yrs of harbaw when he was unable to develop an O and threw away our chance for a SB Win).

So she hired JL, only if it could be done on the QT(his request) to investigate and report back to her. He laid it all out. Trouble started upstairs, and involved all making the decisions, all making the coaching choices, and so on. He gave her his recommendations, and next thing you know he is getting offered the GM job as well as getting what our HC wanted.

So yes, altho it was painful and the franchise just devolved into trash, it did result in Kyle/JL and once that happened, the spell was broken and we were on our way. With 42 guys needed to be cut from the roster that made it a 3 yr job. And , here we are..

So yeah, it was worth it but i sure wish Denise had tried this out a tad earlier. Like about 15 yrs ago. I posted long ago that we would stay at the bottom until ownership changed. I never considered Denise's route. And it was the right one. BTW, Thank you , Denise.

Nice! Yes, hats off to Denise.

Still can't believe how thoroughly Lynch cleared out the roster and how quickly he rebuilt it to the current standard. I don't recall ever seeing such a fundamental restructuring and to such a high standard. This year with all its injuries has shown the strength in depth that Lynch/Peters/Mayhew/etc have brought in. Just unbelievable!

Almost but no quite a modular team. The experience the replacements got di however improve our depth in a lot of places. Dee Ford and Alexander going out did make a significant difference for the worst for he defense. That is why we are not 100 percent modular yet. If they were gone and the D only dropped a little bit the 49ers would be modular.

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

Posted in another thread, but applicable here ….

The 49ers crawled to greatness through 20 years of s**t smelling foulness I can't even imagine, or maybe I just don't want to. 20 years, that's a generation, just shy of a quarter century.

The 49ers, who crawled through a river of s**t and came out clean on the other side.

What is this 20 years? What kind of math are people using? 1997 the 49ers were in the NFC Championship Game. 2002 they were in the playoffs and beat the Giants. 2011 they were in the conference championship game, 2012 in the SB. 2019, back in the conference championship game. They had a fairly rough near decade from 2003 to 2010 but that doesn't come close to 20 years.


Over the past decade, no NFC team has been to more conference championships than the 49ers. Imagine being a Buffalo Bills fan? They can legitimately gripe about 20 years of futility prior to this season.