SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS vs WASHINGTON FOOTBALL TEAM - 2020 Game 13

Originally posted by Rascal:

No, the point is we don't have a QB, we already have enough pieces to get us up there. But, if you don't get a QB, then you will be rebuilding that's for sure.

Look at us agreeing on something!

Free up almost $50M in cap space over the next 2 yrs is a big deal. We can upgrade at the OL spot with that cash. We can resign a couple guys. SF basically resets their cap by doing this.

If you don't have an elite QB or a up and coming young QB on a cheap contract you should be looking for one.

Originally posted by MBNINER90266:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Ark49er:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by CainanUK:

I think Shanahan gets a free pass this year... He's shown that with a healthy, stacked roster he is as good as any NFL head coach.

THAT SAID...

I predict next season we bring in an Offensive Coordinator AND I predict Shanahan will be on a VERY short leash.

If an OC is forced on Shanahan you might as well fire him and get it over with.

Firing Shanahan is bad thing?

Yes, if you want to go 4-12 for the next 20 years every year. We'll have nothing but Tomsula head coaches for decades if we fire Shanahan. The entire NFL will think we're toxic morons. Meanwhile Shanahan will win a few SBs with the team that wins the sweepstakes to hire him this offseason.

I think having a losing season 3 out of the 4 years here is justifiable. He should be on the hot seat next year.

Roster context matters. 2 of those 3 years had season derailing IR for top talent.

Shannahan is not the issue. He's a great coach. Look what he's working with this year. We have a lot of talent that's on IR and a lot of promising young players.

I just don't get the blame Shanahan crowd. This is a bottom 5 roster right now and because he is such a good coach, he has coached them into a middle of the pack team. There are a lot of fans who would die for a coach like him. We need to figure out the injuries. That's the single biggest reason we're not one of the teams in the playoffs.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by MBNINER90266:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Ark49er:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by CainanUK:

I think Shanahan gets a free pass this year... He's shown that with a healthy, stacked roster he is as good as any NFL head coach.

THAT SAID...

I predict next season we bring in an Offensive Coordinator AND I predict Shanahan will be on a VERY short leash.

If an OC is forced on Shanahan you might as well fire him and get it over with.

Firing Shanahan is bad thing?

Yes, if you want to go 4-12 for the next 20 years every year. We'll have nothing but Tomsula head coaches for decades if we fire Shanahan. The entire NFL will think we're toxic morons. Meanwhile Shanahan will win a few SBs with the team that wins the sweepstakes to hire him this offseason.

I think having a losing season 3 out of the 4 years here is justifiable. He should be on the hot seat next year.

Roster context matters. 2 of those 3 years had season derailing IR for top talent.

Shannahan is not the issue. He's a great coach. Look what he's working with this year. We have a lot of talent that's on IR and a lot of promising young players.

These people would've fired Bill Walsh and Chuck Noll.

To be fair, Eddie almost fired Walsh multiple times. Glad he didn't. Hope Jed is that smart and doesn't fire Shannahan either.

Originally posted by socalfan21:

He said Franchise QB. I assume he's looking to draft a new QB because you aren't getting a Franchise QB on the market and if you can, the 49ers can't afford that right now

I'd look at Stafford if that really even a thing, being stagnant at the QB is a worst case scenario imo

Why can't a rookie do exactly what Jimmy did last year with the difference he can be a legit threat down the field? Get a healthy Bosa back, do something opposite of him and get the dline back on track and I can't see why a rookie qb can't go 3000 with a high 20's td to possibly 30 td passes with a strong running game. And I'm not talking about some 2nd round rookie or beyond.

Originally posted by PowderdToastMn:

Originally posted by MBNINER90266:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Ark49er:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by CainanUK:

I think Shanahan gets a free pass this year... He's shown that with a healthy, stacked roster he is as good as any NFL head coach.

THAT SAID...

I predict next season we bring in an Offensive Coordinator AND I predict Shanahan will be on a VERY short leash.

If an OC is forced on Shanahan you might as well fire him and get it over with.

Firing Shanahan is bad thing?

Yes, if you want to go 4-12 for the next 20 years every year. We'll have nothing but Tomsula head coaches for decades if we fire Shanahan. The entire NFL will think we're toxic morons. Meanwhile Shanahan will win a few SBs with the team that wins the sweepstakes to hire him this offseason.

I think having a losing season 3 out of the 4 years here is justifiable. He should be on the hot seat next year.

Roster context matters. 2 of those 3 years had season derailing IR for top talent.

Shannahan is not the issue. He's a great coach. Look what he's working with this year. We have a lot of talent that's on IR and a lot of promising young players.

I just don't get the blame Shanahan crowd. This is a bottom 5 roster right now and because he is such a good coach, he has coached them into a middle of the pack team. There are a lot of fans who would die for a coach like him. We need to figure out the injuries. That's the single biggest reason we're not one of the teams in the playoffs.

He's a top 2 or 3 coach in this league. Getting rid of him would be the biggest mistake and set us back for years.

Originally posted by PowderdToastMn:

I just don't get the blame Shanahan crowd. This is a bottom 5 roster right now and because he is such a good coach, he has coached them into a middle of the pack team. There are a lot of fans who would die for a coach like him. We need to figure out the injuries. That's the single biggest reason we're not one of the teams in the playoffs.

Lack of understanding of how football works and needing to blame someone. It's pretty clear why they're not winning

Originally posted by MBNINER90266:

Originally posted by PowderdToastMn:

Originally posted by MBNINER90266:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Ark49er:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by CainanUK:

I think Shanahan gets a free pass this year... He's shown that with a healthy, stacked roster he is as good as any NFL head coach.

THAT SAID...

I predict next season we bring in an Offensive Coordinator AND I predict Shanahan will be on a VERY short leash.

If an OC is forced on Shanahan you might as well fire him and get it over with.

Firing Shanahan is bad thing?

Yes, if you want to go 4-12 for the next 20 years every year. We'll have nothing but Tomsula head coaches for decades if we fire Shanahan. The entire NFL will think we're toxic morons. Meanwhile Shanahan will win a few SBs with the team that wins the sweepstakes to hire him this offseason.

I think having a losing season 3 out of the 4 years here is justifiable. He should be on the hot seat next year.

Roster context matters. 2 of those 3 years had season derailing IR for top talent.

Shannahan is not the issue. He's a great coach. Look what he's working with this year. We have a lot of talent that's on IR and a lot of promising young players.

I just don't get the blame Shanahan crowd. This is a bottom 5 roster right now and because he is such a good coach, he has coached them into a middle of the pack team. There are a lot of fans who would die for a coach like him. We need to figure out the injuries. That's the single biggest reason we're not one of the teams in the playoffs.

He's a top 2 or 3 coach in this league. Getting rid of him would be the biggest mistake and set us back for years.

Could agree more. It seems people either weren't around for the Erickson/Nolan/Singletary/Tomsula/Chip days, or forgot them entirely.

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Then you are probably in favor of a rebuild im guessing

The two aren't exclusive to each other

In this team and the position they are in now, they are definitely mutually exclusive. No rookie has playoff success in his first year so you are really asking this Franchise QB to learn shanahan's system and be ready to roll in at least two years and pray that the team is still competitive at that time.

Yeah I don't really see it that way. Kyle's offense is hard to learn but a mind like his should easily be able to formulate a plan for a rookie still learning. I see no reason we can't be just as competitive with a rookie QB with elite skills plus freed up $ to retain guys like Verrett, Trent Williams and K'Wuan to name a few vs Jimmy with a more depleted roster.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Franchise 🙃

Fun is what happens after you get one

Then you are probably in favor of a rebuild im guessing

Retool. Reset the cap with a rookie QB. You can win games now with a young QB.

If we don't go to the Super Bowl next yr so be it...be better than this s**t show & knowing you have a great up and coming QB on a rookie deal is a big deal.

Jimmy isn't taking us to the Super Bowl next yr with a worse roster anyway.

I agree with all the points here. Like you said a super bowl is probably out of the cards the next year or two but as long as hes the long term guy it would be worth it. The roster would be completely different in a few years

Originally posted by PowderdToastMn:

Originally posted by MBNINER90266:

Originally posted by PowderdToastMn:

Originally posted by MBNINER90266:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Ark49er:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by CainanUK:

I think Shanahan gets a free pass this year... He's shown that with a healthy, stacked roster he is as good as any NFL head coach.

THAT SAID...

I predict next season we bring in an Offensive Coordinator AND I predict Shanahan will be on a VERY short leash.

If an OC is forced on Shanahan you might as well fire him and get it over with.

Firing Shanahan is bad thing?

Yes, if you want to go 4-12 for the next 20 years every year. We'll have nothing but Tomsula head coaches for decades if we fire Shanahan. The entire NFL will think we're toxic morons. Meanwhile Shanahan will win a few SBs with the team that wins the sweepstakes to hire him this offseason.

I think having a losing season 3 out of the 4 years here is justifiable. He should be on the hot seat next year.

Roster context matters. 2 of those 3 years had season derailing IR for top talent.

Shannahan is not the issue. He's a great coach. Look what he's working with this year. We have a lot of talent that's on IR and a lot of promising young players.

I just don't get the blame Shanahan crowd. This is a bottom 5 roster right now and because he is such a good coach, he has coached them into a middle of the pack team. There are a lot of fans who would die for a coach like him. We need to figure out the injuries. That's the single biggest reason we're not one of the teams in the playoffs.

He's a top 2 or 3 coach in this league. Getting rid of him would be the biggest mistake and set us back for years.

Could agree more. It seems people either weren't around for the Erickson/Nolan/Singletary/Tomsula/Chip days, or forgot them entirely.

This, people always need someone to point their fingers and call the bad guy "Scarface"

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Yeah I don't really see it that way. Kyle's offense is hard to learn but a mind like his should easily be able to formulate a plan for a rookie still learning. I see no reason we can't be just as competitive with a rookie QB with elite skills plus freed up $ to retain guys like Verrett, Trent Williams and K'Wuan to name a few vs Jimmy with a more depleted roster.

I mean do we think Mullens is currently running some ridiculously hard offense right now?

I feel like Kyle can dial up s**t as easy or hard for whomever is behind center. Rookie QB will get a ton of bootlegs, RPOs, play-actions and like he always does scheme dudes open.

SF is gonna have to invest into the position at some point why not when they will have a higher pick? Why not when they have a solid roster around a rookie?

The chances of them making it to the SB with Jimmy and his bloated contract next yr are pretty low imo. Then what? We gonna resign him for more money?

Originally posted by socalfan21:

I agree with all the points here. Like you said a super bowl is probably out of the cards the next year or two but as long as hes the long term guy it would be worth it. The roster would be completely different in a few years

Sup, for some fans I guess it's hard to admit that or just realize it's not the end of the world if a rookie QB doesn't win the Super Bowl yr 1.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Rascal:
No, the point is we don't have a QB, we already have enough pieces to get us up there. But, if you don't get a QB, then you will be rebuilding that's for sure.

Look at us agreeing on something!

Free up almost $50M in cap space over the next 2 yrs is a big deal. We can upgrade at the OL spot with that cash. We can resign a couple guys. SF basically resets their cap by doing this.

If you don't have an elite QB or a up and coming young QB on a cheap contract you should be looking for one.

LOL, but I have a slightly different take.

I think you will still need to start Jimmy G next season unless he gets injured again or doesn't perform, then you start the rookie. If not, let him learn behind Jimmy G for a year, trade Jimmy G in the offseason and start the rookie in Year 2 in 2022. You still save $27 mil. Even Mahomes was on the bench for a year.

With a healthy Bosa, Jimmy G and pretty much the entire roster, I think it will be too risky and too much to put on the rookie's plater to start him right away especially assuming the plan is to go after the Super Bowl.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by goatroppolo:

Id add Tomlinson and Reed to that

Reed will want a clause in his contract that states he never receives another pass by Nick Mullens.

And I would certainly give it to
Him lol