Packers Preview Coaches Film Analysis

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
If we score more points than them, we're getting that W!

Yep

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Feels like it doesn't belong in the Wildcard review thread and gets buried and lost in the pre-game thread.

If it doesn't deserve it's own thread, y'all feel free to move it.

In one of these videos you mentioned the challenges of covering Adams but I don't recall that you had any specific recommendations about how they might accomplish that. Short of the pass rush getting home early and often is there anything the team can do scheme wise that might limit his effectiveness? Jackson Krueger, who is another YouTube tape guy had a really interesting take. He pointed out that for all of his other attributes as a receiver, Adams doesn't have blazing speed which he compensates for by his excellent route running and ability to get in and out of his breaks. He thought one way to perhaps counter that is to try and take away the shorter routes where he can utilize all of his skills and roll the dice on trying to force him into the deeper fly routes where if you have a CB who is fast enough to stay with him you can force Rodgers to have to make really good, possibly contested, throws. Something which he can obviously do but as I said I thought it was an interesting approach to the problem. Try not to let Adams beat you with the things he's really good at and force him to play in the one area where he may not always have the advantage.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
In one of these videos you mentioned the challenges of covering Adams but I don't recall that you had any specific recommendations about how they might accomplish that. Short of the pass rush getting home early and often is there anything the team can do scheme wise that might limit his effectiveness? Jackson Krueger, who is another YouTube tape guy had a really interesting take. He pointed out that for all of his other attributes as a receiver, Adams doesn't have blazing speed which he compensates for by his excellent route running and ability to get in and out of his breaks. He thought one way to perhaps counter that is to try and take away the shorter routes where he can utilize all of his skills and roll the dice on trying to force him into the deeper fly routes where if you have a CB who is fast enough to stay with him you can force Rodgers to have to make really good, possibly contested, throws. Something which he can obviously do but as I said I thought it was an interesting approach to the problem. Try not to let Adams beat you with the things he's really good at and force him to play in the one area where he may not always have the advantage.

That's not possible with Adams. He is, hands down, the best at adjusting to the ball. Combine that with Rodgers' accuracy, Adams is always open no matter how tight the coverage his. His body strength combined with his body control is #1 in the league.

Also, he doesn't have blazing speed, but he always has enough speed to get to the ball and/or get under the ball. Routes don't need to be run full speed until the ball is in the air. This is where his speed is deceptive.

We will lose this game if we focus on shutting down Adams.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
In one of these videos you mentioned the challenges of covering Adams but I don't recall that you had any specific recommendations about how they might accomplish that. Short of the pass rush getting home early and often is there anything the team can do scheme wise that might limit his effectiveness? Jackson Krueger, who is another YouTube tape guy had a really interesting take. He pointed out that for all of his other attributes as a receiver, Adams doesn't have blazing speed which he compensates for by his excellent route running and ability to get in and out of his breaks. He thought one way to perhaps counter that is to try and take away the shorter routes where he can utilize all of his skills and roll the dice on trying to force him into the deeper fly routes where if you have a CB who is fast enough to stay with him you can force Rodgers to have to make really good, possibly contested, throws. Something which he can obviously do but as I said I thought it was an interesting approach to the problem. Try not to let Adams beat you with the things he's really good at and force him to play in the one area where he may not always have the advantage.

That's not possible with Adams. He is, hands down, the best at adjusting to the ball. Combine that with Rodgers' accuracy, Adams is always open no matter how tight the coverage his. His body strength combined with his body control is #1 in the league.

Also, he doesn't have blazing speed, but he always has enough speed to get to the ball and/or get under the ball. Routes don't need to be run full speed until the ball is in the air. This is where his speed is deceptive.

We will lose this game if we focus on shutting down Adams.

Yup, Rogers can throw it into excellent coverage and still make the play. Going to have to get a hand on the ball if possible and score more points. A few 80 yard drives would help

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
In one of these videos you mentioned the challenges of covering Adams but I don't recall that you had any specific recommendations about how they might accomplish that. Short of the pass rush getting home early and often is there anything the team can do scheme wise that might limit his effectiveness? Jackson Krueger, who is another YouTube tape guy had a really interesting take. He pointed out that for all of his other attributes as a receiver, Adams doesn't have blazing speed which he compensates for by his excellent route running and ability to get in and out of his breaks. He thought one way to perhaps counter that is to try and take away the shorter routes where he can utilize all of his skills and roll the dice on trying to force him into the deeper fly routes where if you have a CB who is fast enough to stay with him you can force Rodgers to have to make really good, possibly contested, throws. Something which he can obviously do but as I said I thought it was an interesting approach to the problem. Try not to let Adams beat you with the things he's really good at and force him to play in the one area where he may not always have the advantage.

That's not possible with Adams. He is, hands down, the best at adjusting to the ball. Combine that with Rodgers' accuracy, Adams is always open no matter how tight the coverage his. His body strength combined with his body control is #1 in the league.

Also, he doesn't have blazing speed, but he always has enough speed to get to the ball and/or get under the ball. Routes don't need to be run full speed until the ball is in the air. This is where his speed is deceptive.

We will lose this game if we focus on shutting down Adams.

Yup, Rogers can throw it into excellent coverage and still make the play. Going to have to get a hand on the ball if possible and score more points. A few 80 yard drives would help

The ONLY way is to disrupt the timing by being physical with Adams, but that's not possible either because Adams is a very physical WR.

Cannot be said enough Jonny, you're a webzone treasure. Thank you so much for all of your work and insight. Go Niners!

Originally posted by 49ers81:
In one of these videos you mentioned the challenges of covering Adams but I don't recall that you had any specific recommendations about how they might accomplish that. Short of the pass rush getting home early and often is there anything the team can do scheme wise that might limit his effectiveness? Jackson Krueger, who is another YouTube tape guy had a really interesting take. He pointed out that for all of his other attributes as a receiver, Adams doesn't have blazing speed which he compensates for by his excellent route running and ability to get in and out of his breaks. He thought one way to perhaps counter that is to try and take away the shorter routes where he can utilize all of his skills and roll the dice on trying to force him into the deeper fly routes where if you have a CB who is fast enough to stay with him you can force Rodgers to have to make really good, possibly contested, throws. Something which he can obviously do but as I said I thought it was an interesting approach to the problem. Try not to let Adams beat you with the things he's really good at and force him to play in the one area where he may not always have the advantage.

yeah, I know of Jackson Kreuger...
I think that's a horrible idea. Adams isn't a blazer but if he stacks that corner, it's game over. Rodgers is gonna drop that pass right in there and you're gonna give up those fades all day.

As for suggestions - there's not a ton, scheme wise, you're gonna do with 1 on 1 matchups. Guys have to go make plays, play their technique and stay on top. As for Ryans, he's gonna have to not tip those press 1 on 1's like we did week 3. Adams is an amazing talent and so you try and limit him. If you're gonna try and take away his shorts routes, you're toast. I'd rather bait Rodgers into those short routes and then trap - that's what Saleh did in 2019 in both games.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
In one of these videos you mentioned the challenges of covering Adams but I don't recall that you had any specific recommendations about how they might accomplish that. Short of the pass rush getting home early and often is there anything the team can do scheme wise that might limit his effectiveness? Jackson Krueger, who is another YouTube tape guy had a really interesting take. He pointed out that for all of his other attributes as a receiver, Adams doesn't have blazing speed which he compensates for by his excellent route running and ability to get in and out of his breaks. He thought one way to perhaps counter that is to try and take away the shorter routes where he can utilize all of his skills and roll the dice on trying to force him into the deeper fly routes where if you have a CB who is fast enough to stay with him you can force Rodgers to have to make really good, possibly contested, throws. Something which he can obviously do but as I said I thought it was an interesting approach to the problem. Try not to let Adams beat you with the things he's really good at and force him to play in the one area where he may not always have the advantage.

yeah, I know of Jackson Kreuger...
I think that's a horrible idea. Adams isn't a blazer but if he stacks that corner, it's game over. Rodgers is gonna drop that pass right in there and you're gonna give up those fades all day.

As for suggestions - there's not a ton, scheme wise, you're gonna do with 1 on 1 matchups. Guys have to go make plays, play their technique and stay on top. As for Ryans, he's gonna have to not tip those press 1 on 1's like we did week 3. Adams is an amazing talent and so you try and limit him. If you're gonna try and take away his shorts routes, you're toast. I'd rather bait Rodgers into those short routes and then trap - that's what Saleh did in 2019 in both games.

They can allow the CB on Adams' side to get physical at the line if they play a cloud coverage (Cover2 Zone). Jam him at the line with safety help behind. Not sure that will do the trick but on some plays the 49ers can do this to help throw off the timing. Would have to play with two safeties back though, which can give GB favorable looks in the run game. Adams' strength is on those double moves so squatting short and not respecting his speed is a gamble in itself. He's not a burner but he is by no means slow. In reality, he's always open in Rodgers' eyes because of the chemistry they have together.

I think it'll come down to the four man pass rush and if they can bother Rodgers' enough that a few throws here and there are off target. Then on the backend, take away his first read so he has to hold onto the ball a tick longer. Then hope for the best.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
In one of these videos you mentioned the challenges of covering Adams but I don't recall that you had any specific recommendations about how they might accomplish that. Short of the pass rush getting home early and often is there anything the team can do scheme wise that might limit his effectiveness? Jackson Krueger, who is another YouTube tape guy had a really interesting take. He pointed out that for all of his other attributes as a receiver, Adams doesn't have blazing speed which he compensates for by his excellent route running and ability to get in and out of his breaks. He thought one way to perhaps counter that is to try and take away the shorter routes where he can utilize all of his skills and roll the dice on trying to force him into the deeper fly routes where if you have a CB who is fast enough to stay with him you can force Rodgers to have to make really good, possibly contested, throws. Something which he can obviously do but as I said I thought it was an interesting approach to the problem. Try not to let Adams beat you with the things he's really good at and force him to play in the one area where he may not always have the advantage.

yeah, I know of Jackson Kreuger...
I think that's a horrible idea. Adams isn't a blazer but if he stacks that corner, it's game over. Rodgers is gonna drop that pass right in there and you're gonna give up those fades all day.

As for suggestions - there's not a ton, scheme wise, you're gonna do with 1 on 1 matchups. Guys have to go make plays, play their technique and stay on top. As for Ryans, he's gonna have to not tip those press 1 on 1's like we did week 3. Adams is an amazing talent and so you try and limit him. If you're gonna try and take away his shorts routes, you're toast. I'd rather bait Rodgers into those short routes and then trap - that's what Saleh did in 2019 in both games.

They can allow the CB on Adams' side to get physical at the line if they play a cloud coverage (Cover2 Zone). Jam him at the line with safety help behind. Not sure that will do the trick but on some plays the 49ers can do this to help throw off the timing. Would have to play with two safeties back though, which can give GB favorable looks in the run game. Adams' strength is on those double moves so squatting short and not respecting his speed is a gamble in itself. He's not a burner but he is by no means slow. In reality, he's always open in Rodgers' eyes because of the chemistry they have together.

I think it'll come down to the four man pass rush and if they can bother Rodgers' enough that a few throws here and there are off target. Then on the backend, take away his first read so he has to hold onto the ball a tick longer. Then hope for the best.

Agree on the bolded above. I think Green Bay is going to come out in the short passing game to limit the 49er pass rush, and run the ball as much as possible to get 3rd and short, and convert those 3rd downs. Basically mirroring the 49er offense - in a sense - by playing keep away and making sure Jimmy's hand and shoulder is iced by the green bay weather. 49er are going to have to crowd the LOS to stop those short passes and be wise enough to know (or get lucky) when GB tries to do a long play action pass and be ready on the back side to not let their GB Wr's get behind them. It's when Green Bay decides to chance a long ball, that the 49er defense has to make them pay by sacking Aaron, or making them throw an incomplete or knock down the pass. Jimmy *has* to be able to throw in this game, because that's what Green Bay is going to want the 49er offense to do. They will load up on the 49er runs and make Jimmy throw.

Posted in the main pregame thread (thanks NY)
good stuff at @57:00 of that podcast: 49ers run game versus GB defensive front. It addresses this specific look front with the DTs inside the OTs, and the OLBs aligned wayyy outside.

Originally posted by thl408:
Posted in the main pregame thread (thanks NY)

🚨New Athletic Football Show!🚨

Part 1 of our 2-part Divisional Round preview: @Nate_Tice and I break down the Saturday slate, with deep dives on Bengals-Titans and Packers-Niners.

What a collection of games this is, man.

Part 2 coming later today.https://t.co/fqBgQGm5xl

— Robert Mays (@robertmays) January 21, 2022

good stuff at @57:00 of that podcast: 49ers run game versus GB defensive front. It addresses this specific look front with the DTs inside the OTs, and the OLBs aligned wayyy outside.

Good thing Sermon isn't running the ball for us tomorrow. Horrible vision. Mitchell cuts that back for 12 and Deebo cuts that back "to the box!"

But they both easily outrun 97 just before the cut back.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by thl408:
Posted in the main pregame thread (thanks NY)

🚨New Athletic Football Show!🚨

Part 1 of our 2-part Divisional Round preview: @Nate_Tice and I break down the Saturday slate, with deep dives on Bengals-Titans and Packers-Niners.

What a collection of games this is, man.

Part 2 coming later today.https://t.co/fqBgQGm5xl

— Robert Mays (@robertmays) January 21, 2022

good stuff at @57:00 of that podcast: 49ers run game versus GB defensive front. It addresses this specific look front with the DTs inside the OTs, and the OLBs aligned wayyy outside.

Good thing Sermon isn't running the ball for us tomorrow. Horrible vision. Mitchell cuts that back for 12 and Deebo cuts that back "to the box!"

But they both easily outrun 97 just before the cut back.

That's a point I've been making. Sermon was not good in our scheme when he played this year.

Mitchell+our OL seeing what they did wrong could lead to a big day.

tldw: breaks down week 3 GB defense versus 49ers offense. How GB took away the 49ers run game and playaction pass and how the 49ers countered with the quick passing game.