QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by JMyaer:
LOL, it's funny you say that, I went back this past weekend and re-read the 1st 20ish pages of this thread and same of the comments are hilarious and some almost Nostradamus like! I recommend checking it out again, I had some good chuckles doing it.

It's pure gold. Lol

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Let's just be honest…it's all marketing. On the surface Brock just isn't marketable compared to Mahomes/Jacksom/Allen/Hurts/etc.

The capitalistic NFL media needs its QBs to look like your prototypical jock with unique physical attributes so they can sell a sexy image.

Brock looks like an every man, but is balling just as well if not better than those other guys…and the powers that be hate that.

Power to the people and power to Brock!

nailed it!
Brocky is the antithesis of the main stream culture that is being portrayed and promulgated by the media today

We know why Brock isn't "marketable" in 2023, but I'm not going to post it because don't feel like creating a s**t storm.

? Not sure what that even means, hes the quarterback for easily the biggest west coast sports team outside the Lakers. Russell Wilson is one of the corniest players I've ever seen, and the nfl tried like hell to give him an mvp while he was in Seattle. Like I said before, anyone who still doubts Purdy are either sheep or their egos are too big to admit that they badly missed on him, just like what Charles "I don't know what down by contact is" Davis said at the end of the cardinals game . Also if Brock Purdy was a New York Giant, the media would've already put him in the Hall of fame, just look at Tommy Devito

Honestly, I think Purdy is so similar to Jokic. They were both late picks, both aren't the prototype franchise player, but both play the right way and the media doesn't want to accept they are legitimate MVP candidates. Of course Jokic has success to back his career up, hoping Purdy does too in time.

To all the pundits who call Brock a system QB, he is but he makes this system run at peak efficiency which is what every HC wants his QB to do. Examples: When Brock calls for the snap to be made he looks to his primary read and then progresses onto the next step in the progression, this is something that Jimmy did about let's say 10% of his passing snaps while in Kyles's offense. (I am probably being generous at 10%). To me when Brock forgoes his first read and goes to the next progression he is in a way making the system better by finding the best option instead of settling for the first read this is something other 49er QBs in this system could never do consistently. Jimmy used to force it when the first read was not open or when under pressure he would throw a duck to the flat. When Brock runs a play it is evident he is not satisfied with the first option in the progression this is backed up by the yards per completion he has. The only time he is not going through his progression is when CMC runs the ball, or when it's an all-out blitz. Does anyone know how many times Brock has passed to the first player in his progression of a play or thrown to the second or third progression and how many times he has changed the original play before the snap.

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
? Not sure what that even means, hes the quarterback for easily the biggest west coast sports team outside the Lakers. Russell Wilson is one of the corniest players I've ever seen, and the nfl tried like hell to give him an mvp while he was in Seattle. Like I said before, anyone who still doubts Purdy are either sheep or their egos are too big to admit that they badly missed on him, just like what Charles "I don't know what down by contact is" Davis said at the end of the cardinals game . Also if Brock Purdy was a New York Giant, the media would've already put him in the Hall of fame, just look at Tommy Devito

I don't often yell at the TV, but that was an exception.

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
? Not sure what that even means, hes the quarterback for easily the biggest west coast sports team outside the Lakers. Russell Wilson is one of the corniest players I've ever seen, and the nfl tried like hell to give him an mvp while he was in Seattle. Like I said before, anyone who still doubts Purdy are either sheep or their egos are too big to admit that they badly missed on him, just like what Charles "I don't know what down by contact is" Davis said at the end of the cardinals game . Also if Brock Purdy was a New York Giant, the media would've already put him in the Hall of fame, just look at Tommy Devito

I don't often yell at the TV, but that was an exception.

Charles Davis sucks

I feel that the three game losing streak is what is killing Brock. This is somewhat similar to Alex Smith. Even though he finally broke out when Harbaugh got here no one gave him any credit until he went toe to toe with Drew Brees in that playoff game where he had to continue to go out and score every drive in that fourth quarter. Until he has that game he will continue to have naysayers.

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
I don't often yell at the TV, but that was an exception.

It's like he periodically forgot that humans have two arms… most of the time.

Originally posted by LB49ers:
I feel that the three game losing streak is what is killing Brock. This is somewhat similar to Alex Smith. Even though he finally broke out when Harbaugh got here no one gave him any credit until he went toe to toe with Drew Brees in that playoff game where he had to continue to go out and score every drive in that fourth quarter. Until he has that game he will continue to have naysayers.

Alex never broke out under Harbaugh. He just didn't turn the ball over like has previously.

Brock is breaking out.

the first game manager to win MVP brock purdy!

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by LB49ers:
I feel that the three game losing streak is what is killing Brock. This is somewhat similar to Alex Smith. Even though he finally broke out when Harbaugh got here no one gave him any credit until he went toe to toe with Drew Brees in that playoff game where he had to continue to go out and score every drive in that fourth quarter. Until he has that game he will continue to have naysayers.

Alex never broke out under Harbaugh. He just didn't turn the ball over like has previously.

Brock is breaking out.

AS had a different OC every year, six years in a row. That's a big hill to climb every year.

Originally posted by mattster03:
I hate hearing people saying that the winning QB of the Niners vs Ravens game will be the MVP lock. I mean I get it, but Purdy crushed Dak head to head and yet he was the MVP leader in later weeks.

He was the leader in the betting. That's all those odds are telling you, where bids and offers in the bet market clear. Lots of delusional Cowboy fans around put money after an admittedly very good performance after the Eagles.

The people who will decide are not the Vegas bookies or the crowds who lose (sorry, "bet") their money on these markets. There will be 50 writers, ex-coaches and the like. That's why I think there's a genuine chance the MVP this year goes to a non-QB, i.e. CMC. Much easier for a crowd of 50 to decide that in a year where so many big QB names went down with injury it may be their chance to pretend that MVP is not always a QB award. OTOH there's the Brady narrative of the low round pick who was thrown in at the deep end because of injury to the incumbent and shone for a year and a half.

Either way, if we don't suddenly go into a terrible swoon in the last three games the award goes to a 49er, and all those who bet on Dak or Lamar will lose money.

Originally posted by LB49ers:
I feel that the three game losing streak is what is killing Brock. This is somewhat similar to Alex Smith. Even though he finally broke out when Harbaugh got here no one gave him any credit until he went toe to toe with Drew Brees in that playoff game where he had to continue to go out and score every drive in that fourth quarter. Until he has that game he will continue to have naysayers.

Alex didn't deserve any credit until that Saints game though. So he didn't turn the ball over much that season. Fantastic. Huge improvement over every other year he was here. But calling a guy who scored 17 touchdowns, had low yardage, and was largely responsible for our place kicker breaking records isn't exactly what should be called breaking out.

Brock IS breaking out. He is leading the entire league in most statistical measures. You comparing him to Alex is laughable.

Originally posted by LB49ers:
I feel that the three game losing streak is what is killing Brock. This is somewhat similar to Alex Smith. Even though he finally broke out when Harbaugh got here no one gave him any credit until he went toe to toe with Drew Brees in that playoff game where he had to continue to go out and score every drive in that fourth quarter. Until he has that game he will continue to have naysayers.

Alex Smith is never ever at the level of Brock, not even close. However, I would say Brock will continue to have naysayers until he passes the ball more. A MVP caliber QB typically is the foundation of the offense. Right now we have more of a balance offense in terms of pass/run.

Now, regarding the various anti-Purdy pundits. I don't care about shouty influencers who persist on an outrageous position to gather hits/listeners/ratings. The Steven A Smith types basically. Their job is to be controversial, so they do that. Their opinions are worthless to me (even if they support Purdy). They pick a narrative that will get listeners, they stick to it.

Cam Newton is more interesting because he played the game at the highest level. He doesn't talk through his behind, regardless of whether you agree with him or not. I don't agree with his take that a great QB is only one who runs around and depends on off schedule plays. It's basically the old pro-Randall Cunningham 80s argument - a fine player (who actually got better in the 90s after all those injuries slowed him down) but not on the same level with the other great QBs of the time. But he was "dynamic" so he got attention. Ditto Michael Vick in his pre-dogfighting days. Good QB, but garnered too much attention solely because of his athleticism when there were better QBs than him at the time (Brady, obviously, but not just him). I don't agree, but it is a fair position by someone who is informed and not an idiot who sells controversy.

Steven Ruiz is a unique sad case because he's not actually trying to be outrageous, just "clever" and contrarian. I listen to the Ringer podcast on victory Mondays while I do my chores, and he strikes me there as this very strange mix of someone who is very arrogant about what he thinks are his amazing analytical powers and perception, mixed with a tremendous insecurity about the identity that he's poured so much energy in. "Am I actually as clever as I think?", I can almost imagining him wondering. "What if I am just as useless and ignorant as everyone else? What's the point of my existence then?". In the last few weeks I can almost feel a palpable panic in his coverage of Purdy - what if he's actually wrong? What if his amazing analysis is worth squat because football is so much more complicated than his little universe in a box? You can sense that he's at this fatalistic stage of hoping for a miracle that will turn Purdy into a pumpkin, but he doesn't believe in it any more. I will get a lot more respect for him if he just comes out and just says: "look, I don't really know what I'm talking about. Nobody knows. This is a complicated sport. We throw darts at a board, blindfolded, in the dark. We know about this as much as you do, dear reader."

But he won't. What would be the point of his existence then? There are journalists who can be wrong in their opinions and predictions, but who at least write well/funnily. Bill Simmons was a fantastic writer once upon a time, before he turned into a celebrity schmoozing/betting company shill . He was the quintessence of the annoying, entitled Boston fan, but he was hilarious, wrote beautifully, and made long 5,000 word monsters popular with readers. I respect him. I don't respect Steven Ruiz, because he doesn't even write that well - hell, he doesn't even write: look at his months old copy of these infamous ratings. Things have been changing week by week, and we still have there the same feeble takes he made in September.

Sorry, had to vent. I put a lot of stock on writers who care about their craft.