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Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Alex didn't deserve any credit until that Saints game though. So he didn't turn the ball over much that season. Fantastic. Huge improvement over every other year he was here. But calling a guy who scored 17 touchdowns, had low yardage, and was largely responsible for our place kicker breaking records isn't exactly what should be called breaking out.

Brock IS breaking out. He is leading the entire league in most statistical measures. You comparing him to Alex is laughable.

Even the Saints game didn't boost him up as an individual player much for me. We beat a laughably bad defense who called some of the worst end of game plays I can remember seeing, and needed five turnovers to do it. There were some super memorable end of game plays, like Alex' run, and the game winning throw to VD, but he did not play especially well.

Competent coaching (Harbro, Reid) allowed Smith to be the good game manager that he was.
Originally posted by paulk205:
Now, regarding the various anti-Purdy pundits. I don't care about shouty influencers who persist on an outrageous position to gather hits/listeners/ratings. The Steven A Smith types basically. Their job is to be controversial, so they do that. Their opinions are worthless to me (even if they support Purdy). They pick a narrative that will get listeners, they stick to it.

Cam Newton is more interesting because he played the game at the highest level. He doesn't talk through his behind, regardless of whether you agree with him or not. I don't agree with his take that a great QB is only one who runs around and depends on off schedule plays. It's basically the old pro-Randall Cunningham 80s argument - a fine player (who actually got better in the 90s after all those injuries slowed him down) but not on the same level with the other great QBs of the time. But he was "dynamic" so he got attention. Ditto Michael Vick in his pre-dogfighting days. Good QB, but garnered too much attention solely because of his athleticism when there were better QBs than him at the time (Brady, obviously, but not just him). I don't agree, but it is a fair position by someone who is informed and not an idiot who sells controversy.

Steven Ruiz is a unique sad case because he's not actually trying to be outrageous, just "clever" and contrarian. I listen to the Ringer podcast on victory Mondays while I do my chores, and he strikes me there as this very strange mix of someone who is very arrogant about what he thinks are his amazing analytical powers and perception, mixed with a tremendous insecurity about the identity that he's poured so much energy in. "Am I actually as clever as I think?", I can almost imagining him wondering. "What if I am just as useless and ignorant as everyone else? What's the point of my existence then?". In the last few weeks I can almost feel a palpable panic in his coverage of Purdy - what if he's actually wrong? What if his amazing analysis is worth squat because football is so much more complicated than his little universe in a box? You can sense that he's at this fatalistic stage of hoping for a miracle that will turn Purdy into a pumpkin, but he doesn't believe in it any more. I will get a lot more respect for him if he just comes out and just says: "look, I don't really know what I'm talking about. Nobody knows. This is a complicated sport. We throw darts at a board, blindfolded, in the dark. We know about this as much as you do, dear reader."

But he won't. What would be the point of his existence then? There are journalists who can be wrong in their opinions and predictions, but who at least write well/funnily. Bill Simmons was a fantastic writer once upon a time, before he turned into a celebrity schmoozing/betting company shill . He was the quintessence of the annoying, entitled Boston fan, but he was hilarious, wrote beautifully, and made long 5,000 word monsters popular with readers. I respect him. I don't respect Steven Ruiz, because he doesn't even write that well - hell, he doesn't even write: look at his months old copy of these infamous ratings. Things have been changing week by week, and we still have there the same feeble takes he made in September.

Sorry, had to vent. I put a lot of stock on writers who care about their craft.

Cam is just trying to get folks to click on his podcast. He was talking out his ass, and while his defense and team did help him get to the superbowl, he fumbled, then stood there looking at the loose ball instead of making any effort to get on it. They were down 14-10, and still had a chance to win the game.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Cam is just trying to get folks to click on his podcast. He was talking out his ass, and while his defense and team did help him get to the superbowl, he fumbled, then stood there looking at the loose ball instead of making any effort to get on it. They were down 14-10, and still had a chance to win the game.

Look, he's not one of my favourite QBs or anything. One of my most cherished memories of the Harbaugh years was Kaepernick outplaying him at his own place in the 2013 playoffs and making fun of his posturing. But at his best in both college and the 2015 season in the pros, he was elite. Did he mess up in the SB and show himself to be petulant afterwards? Sure he did, but he still had an amazing season up to that point. He's no Montana or Marino or Brady or anything, but he was very, very, very good at his best. I am interested in the opinion of someone who played at that level. I don't agree with him, for the reasons I outlined, but it's not worthless like the average shouty youtuber/Steven A type, or as hilariously sad as the frustrated nerd of the Steven Ruiz type (is there something with the name Steven?).
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Let's just be honest…it's all marketing. On the surface Brock just isn't marketable compared to Mahomes/Jacksom/Allen/Hurts/etc.

The capitalistic NFL media needs its QBs to look like your prototypical jock with unique physical attributes so they can sell a sexy image.

Brock looks like an every man, but is balling just as well if not better than those other guys…and the powers that be hate that.

Power to the people and power to Brock!

Steph Curry looks like an every man. The NBA markets the hell out of him in a sport with bigger and badder jocks.

Hell, there was more hype over Fitzmagic and Minshew mania than what Brock is getting.

Steph proves my point actually. I never seen a player so prolific that never gets the "superstar treatment" in regards to foul calls as Steph. He was hella disrespected for his stature and skill set and had to win 4 rings, 2 MVPs and a Finals MVP to finally shut up all the haters
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Let's just be honest…it's all marketing. On the surface Brock just isn't marketable compared to Mahomes/Jacksom/Allen/Hurts/etc.

The capitalistic NFL media needs its QBs to look like your prototypical jock with unique physical attributes so they can sell a sexy image.

Brock looks like an every man, but is balling just as well if not better than those other guys…and the powers that be hate that.

Power to the people and power to Brock!

Steph Curry looks like an every man. The NBA markets the hell out of him in a sport with bigger and badder jocks.

Hell, there was more hype over Fitzmagic and Minshew mania than what Brock is getting.

Steph proves my point actually. I never seen a player so prolific that never gets the "superstar treatment" in regards to foul calls as Steph. He was hella disrespected for his stature and skill set and had to win 4 rings, 2 MVPs and a Finals MVP to finally shut up all the haters

what fouls are you gonna call when the guy is jacking up threes from near half court,
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Let's just be honest…it's all marketing. On the surface Brock just isn't marketable compared to Mahomes/Jacksom/Allen/Hurts/etc.

The capitalistic NFL media needs its QBs to look like your prototypical jock with unique physical attributes so they can sell a sexy image.

Brock looks like an every man, but is balling just as well if not better than those other guys…and the powers that be hate that.

Power to the people and power to Brock!

Steph Curry looks like an every man. The NBA markets the hell out of him in a sport with bigger and badder jocks.

Hell, there was more hype over Fitzmagic and Minshew mania than what Brock is getting.

Steph proves my point actually. I never seen a player so prolific that never gets the "superstar treatment" in regards to foul calls as Steph. He was hella disrespected for his stature and skill set and had to win 4 rings, 2 MVPs and a Finals MVP to finally shut up all the haters

what fouls are you gonna call when the guy is jacking up threes from near half court,

If you watch a lot of Warriors basketball you'll notice how Steph never gets foul calls when driving the paint even though he gets mauled constantly. If it was Lebron tho, you can't even breathe on him.
[ Edited by Young2Owens on Dec 20, 2023 at 4:15 PM ]
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Let's just be honest…it's all marketing. On the surface Brock just isn't marketable compared to Mahomes/Jacksom/Allen/Hurts/etc.

The capitalistic NFL media needs its QBs to look like your prototypical jock with unique physical attributes so they can sell a sexy image.

Brock looks like an every man, but is balling just as well if not better than those other guys…and the powers that be hate that.

Power to the people and power to Brock!

Steph Curry looks like an every man. The NBA markets the hell out of him in a sport with bigger and badder jocks.

Hell, there was more hype over Fitzmagic and Minshew mania than what Brock is getting.

Steph proves my point actually. I never seen a player so prolific that never gets the "superstar treatment" in regards to foul calls as Steph. He was hella disrespected for his stature and skill set and had to win 4 rings, 2 MVPs and a Finals MVP to finally shut up all the haters

what fouls are you gonna call when the guy is jacking up threes from near half court,

If you watch a lot of Warriors basketball you'll notice how Steph never gets foul calls when driving the paint even though he gets mauled constantly. If it was Lebron tho, you can't even breathe on him.

I'll defer to you here I'm not as much into NBA as I am the NFL
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Even the Saints game didn't boost him up as an individual player much for me. We beat a laughably bad defense who called some of the worst end of game plays I can remember seeing, and needed five turnovers to do it. There were some super memorable end of game plays, like Alex' run, and the game winning throw to VD, but he did not play especially well.

Competent coaching (Harbro, Reid) allowed Smith to be the good game manager that he was.

I'll say this, I think the results would have been better in both 2011 and 2012 if they had one more receiver outside of Crabtree that wasn't hot garbage. Once Josh Morgan got hurt, that receiver group was just disgusting, and not in any good way.

I remember Alex trying to throw it up to Brett Swain in the NFCCG. At least in 2012 they added Randy Moss but still, he was very much a lesser Randy Moss.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I'll say this, I think the results would have been better in both 2011 and 2012 if they had one more receiver outside of Crabtree that wasn't hot garbage. Once Josh Morgan got hurt, that receiver group was just disgusting, and not in any good way.

I remember Alex trying to throw it up to Brett Swain in the NFCCG. At least in 2012 they added Randy Moss but still, he was very much a lesser Randy Moss.

Definitely agree we were super thin at the position in 11 late in that run. Probably remember the same attempt to Swain you're talking about, lol.

I liked our '12 group (including TE's) quite a bit to be honest. Thought there was a good mix of skillsets. As great as Boldin was, I didn't like the '13 group as much. Lot of redundancy… not a lot of speed.
Originally posted by paulk205:
Look, he's not one of my favourite QBs or anything. One of my most cherished memories of the Harbaugh years was Kaepernick outplaying him at his own place in the 2013 playoffs and making fun of his posturing. But at his best in both college and the 2015 season in the pros, he was elite. Did he mess up in the SB and show himself to be petulant afterwards? Sure he did, but he still had an amazing season up to that point. He's no Montana or Marino or Brady or anything, but he was very, very, very good at his best. I am interested in the opinion of someone who played at that level. I don't agree with him, for the reasons I outlined, but it's not worthless like the average shouty youtuber/Steven A type, or as hilariously sad as the frustrated nerd of the Steven Ruiz type (is there something with the name Steven?).

Cam was a superstar no doubt, he carried that offense for years but it did feel like his comments were very self serving. It seems clear to me at least that he views himself as the prototype for what a game changer is at the QB position, that you have to be physically dominant, a big arm, tremendous athleticism, all that good stuff. His tone suggested that he views QB's that don't have those overt abilities to be somehow lesser, to be "game managers" and it seemed like was almost offended that a QB like Purdy, Dak or Tua might win the MVP and share that distinction with him.

Then he did a follow up and lost me even further, he seemed to backtrack a bit on his game manager slam, calling Brees, Peyton Manning and Brady game managers but then went to the "game-changers are the tractors and game managers are the trailers" analogy. Like dude, you think Peyton Manning was a trailer? Peyton Manning was a game changer, he was the system, he was the offense, the offensive coordinator, just say you don't respect QB's who didn't run around the way you did and lets move on.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Alex didn't deserve any credit until that Saints game though. So he didn't turn the ball over much that season. Fantastic. Huge improvement over every other year he was here. But calling a guy who scored 17 touchdowns, had low yardage, and was largely responsible for our place kicker breaking records isn't exactly what should be called breaking out.

Brock IS breaking out. He is leading the entire league in most statistical measures. You comparing him to Alex is laughable.

Even the Saints game didn't boost him up as an individual player much for me. We beat a laughably bad defense who called some of the worst end of game plays I can remember seeing, and needed five turnovers to do it. There were some super memorable end of game plays, like Alex' run, and the game winning throw to VD, but he did not play especially well.

Competent coaching (Harbro, Reid) allowed Smith to be the good game manager that he was.

Don't forget that All alex did was check down on third down. He was a horrible third down QB for us. I think in the NFCC, following that saints win, we were like 1/13 on third down. It was embarrassing

to me, alex is the definition of a "game manager". Does nothing to really help you win except try to not turn over the ball. He makes everyone else around him do the work. Almost Never threw guys open. Bad to mediocre in the red zone.

Wonderful guy but the most conservative qb I've ever seen. It was infuriating.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

He got his free truck also and his frequent flier miles
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Let's just be honest…it's all marketing. On the surface Brock just isn't marketable compared to Mahomes/Jacksom/Allen/Hurts/etc.

The capitalistic NFL media needs its QBs to look like your prototypical jock with unique physical attributes so they can sell a sexy image.

Brock looks like an every man, but is balling just as well if not better than those other guys…and the powers that be hate that.

Power to the people and power to Brock!

Steph Curry looks like an every man. The NBA markets the hell out of him in a sport with bigger and badder jocks.

Hell, there was more hype over Fitzmagic and Minshew mania than what Brock is getting.

Steph proves my point actually. I never seen a player so prolific that never gets the "superstar treatment" in regards to foul calls as Steph. He was hella disrespected for his stature and skill set and had to win 4 rings, 2 MVPs and a Finals MVP to finally shut up all the haters

what fouls are you gonna call when the guy is jacking up threes from near half court,

So you're saying you don't watch Warriors basketball? Lol
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