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I'm their primes, who was the better pass rusher out of these two
I'm their primes, who was the better pass rusher out of these two
Jun 28, 2022 at 9:03 AM
- pdizo916
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Bosa hasn't reached his prime yet.
Jun 28, 2022 at 9:04 AM
- thl408
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I'm not sure Bosa has reached his prime, and it's possible he was not 100% with his knee in 2021.
Jun 28, 2022 at 9:04 AM
- Sickaa
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Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
Aldon had Justin Smith. lol.
Bosa.
Bosa had Buck, AA and to some extent, Dee Ford through 2019. As much as I love Bosa, he's not on the same level as Aldon. Not yet anyway.
Jun 28, 2022 at 9:09 AM
- 49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by Sickaa:maybe Bosa can get some 1 on 1 time
Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
Aldon had Justin Smith. lol.
Bosa.
Bosa had Buck, AA and to some extent, Dee Ford through 2019. As much as I love Bosa, he's not on the same level as Aldon. Not yet anyway.
Jun 28, 2022 at 10:03 AM
- 49erFaithful6
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Originally posted by thl408:
I'm not sure Bosa has reached his prime, and it's possible he was not 100% with his knee in 2021.
Yup this. Bosa just entering it and will have an extended prime imo.. Aldon was a flash in the pan..
Jun 28, 2022 at 11:56 AM
- miked1978
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I don't get the "Aldon and its not close" comments...
I think the first 2 years it is Aldon but anything after that it will be Bosa. Aldon's prime was short lived. Give me someone who's prime is more than 2 years.
I think the first 2 years it is Aldon but anything after that it will be Bosa. Aldon's prime was short lived. Give me someone who's prime is more than 2 years.
Jun 28, 2022 at 11:59 AM
- 49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by miked1978:someone's prime is not their first and second year. These two haven't reached prime yet
I don't get the "Aldon and its not close" comments...
I think the first 2 years it is Aldon but anything after that it will be Bosa. Aldon's prime was short lived. Give me someone who's prime is more than 2 years.
Jun 28, 2022 at 12:15 PM
- thl408
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by miked1978:someone's prime is not their first and second year. These two haven't reached prime yet
I don't get the "Aldon and its not close" comments...
I think the first 2 years it is Aldon but anything after that it will be Bosa. Aldon's prime was short lived. Give me someone who's prime is more than 2 years.
Using hindsight, we know Aldon's prime now that he's out of the league. We don't know about Bosa and whether he will get better.
Jun 28, 2022 at 1:41 PM
- Waterbear
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by miked1978:someone's prime is not their first and second year. These two haven't reached prime yet
I don't get the "Aldon and its not close" comments...
I think the first 2 years it is Aldon but anything after that it will be Bosa. Aldon's prime was short lived. Give me someone who's prime is more than 2 years.
Using hindsight, we know Aldon's prime now that he's out of the league. We don't know about Bosa and whether he will get better.
Yup. No doubt that Bosa could smash the debate by producing at a high level next season. I think I was more focused on pure skillset. Bosa doesn't have the arm length and natural bend that Aldon had but he's better in pretty much every other area currently and I don't see why he couldn't improve going forward.
Jun 28, 2022 at 1:45 PM
- 49erFaithful6
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Originally posted by thl408:
Using hindsight, we know Aldon's prime now that he's out of the league. We don't know about Bosa and whether he will get better.
Yup. Prime ruined cuz he was a first ballot, hall of fame idiot.
Jun 28, 2022 at 2:06 PM
- HearstFan
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Aldon had a freakish ability to push the tackle at one speed (that looked slower, with power), and then break off and close to the quarterback at a whole other top gear. You could just see the tackle's utter surprise at how fast Aldon broke off and slipped past them. His closing speed was off the charts. He seems like a guy that would be a good dude until he hits the bottle and it comes apart. We all know someone like that. So sad.
Jun 28, 2022 at 2:48 PM
- thl408
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Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by miked1978:someone's prime is not their first and second year. These two haven't reached prime yet
I don't get the "Aldon and its not close" comments...
I think the first 2 years it is Aldon but anything after that it will be Bosa. Aldon's prime was short lived. Give me someone who's prime is more than 2 years.
Using hindsight, we know Aldon's prime now that he's out of the league. We don't know about Bosa and whether he will get better.
Yup. No doubt that Bosa could smash the debate by producing at a high level next season. I think I was more focused on pure skillset. Bosa doesn't have the arm length and natural bend that Aldon had but he's better in pretty much every other area currently and I don't see why he couldn't improve going forward.
I do think Bosa is already a better every down player. But pure pass rushing (because that's the question OP asked), I do think peak Aldon was a better pass rusher than 2021 Bosa by a small margin. But again, we don't know Bosa's prime. My guess is 2021 Bosa was not his prime, he's going to get better.
Jun 28, 2022 at 5:50 PM
- Heroism
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Originally posted by Waterbear:
As someone who coached DLine and played the all Dline positions for over a decade... I can confirm Hero knows what he's talking about.
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
IMO he's the most knowledgeable and the best guy on this website when talking about D-Line play.
Ha, I just saw that post. These new members are goofy.
Jun 28, 2022 at 6:00 PM
- NTeply49
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So many of Aldon Smith's sacks were from Justin Smith HOLDING 2 defenders on stunts. They started calling it and ended the fun his huge sack year. I loved Aldon, and was sad to watch his downfall.
Jun 28, 2022 at 7:07 PM
- Heroism
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More examples of Aldon Smith absolutely taking the souls of right tackles without Justin Smith next to him. I'm missing a bunch, too. This silly argument needs to die. Also, something that stood out to me while revisiting these old games was how often the 49ers got home with just 3. This group was elite, elite.
[ Edited by Heroism on Jun 28, 2022 at 7:08 PM ]