Week 3 @ Denver Broncos Coaches Film analysis thread

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
where is the unbiased film analysis

Me too, I'm waiting on you to start your own channel, "The unbiased 49ers Film channel to rule them all".

Debut episode this Friday?

must've hit a chord

Originally posted by thl408:
I have no doubt that the 49ers spent a lot of time practicing the Trey Lance run game this offseason - that stuff was new to the team. That was all a waste of time. This run game needs to shift gears and the OL needs to come together quickly.
If the run game is struggling, I say spread it out and let Jimmy throw it. These condensed formations with two RBs in the backfield do not help a QB that prefers to throw it quick. Going spread will get the offense away from the run/pass neutral formations, but it should help Jimmy get the ball into the YAC Bros hands, and that might be worth considering within the flow of the game, maybe as a plan B. Hard playaction on seven step timing to attack behind the LBs, with Trent now out of the lineup, could lead to bad things in the upcoming weeks.

this is also really interesting and something I didn't even think about or have cross my mind. all that f**king investment into scheme revolving Trey Lance. all offseason. GONE. a waste. put on the back burner.

then to have Jimmy SIMULTANEOUSLY not participating, just to be thrown in there with the offense like that and expect our offense to be a well-oiled machine even if Jimmy has been here multiple years... hard to imagine when I look at it that way. f**king sucks. Jimmy is capable, but things still have to start with him at the very least

Originally posted by tohara3:
Extremely tough to watch how many plays we missed out there. On to next week

it's like when Jimmy is just forced to go in there on the fly he does much better and is susceptible to taking advantages of busts and seeing the field in general better

but when it's all centered around a gameplan with full context and knowledge of the plays and playbook he's thinking more and not seeing the field as well.

what I just wrote made no sense whatsoever but i just find it odd how he seems to do better when "thrown into the fire", so to speak.

It's moreso that the team he's facing has had all week to gameplay towards his tendancies.
Just look @ his play after halftime adjustments with the win.

We weren't ragging in the guy. Just pointing out some clear tendencies.

Deebo is a great player and they've centered gameplans around taking him away as well.

Originally posted by random49er:
It's moreso that the team he's facing has had all week to gameplay towards his tendancies.
Just look @ his play after halftime adjustments with the win.

We weren't ragging in the guy. Just pointing out some clear tendencies.

Deebo is a great player and they've centered gameplans around taking him away as well.

what about the 5-game streak in 2017? I guess throughout that span of games, he was still fresh to the league so not a lot of tape on him for defenses to adjust to.

and yeah, the 2nd half. post adjustments, no longer seem to be a coincidence.

The 7 TD, 5 INT performance over 5 games? Nothing phenomenal about 7 TDs over 5 games with at least 1 pick per game.

But this is a league of adjustments. There has been plenty of time to further adjust to his game now once those games have been archived. He played his way into a great contract and if anything it adds to the point.

Great analysis Jonny. Sucks this season is going down the s**tter :/

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by random49er:
It's moreso that the team he's facing has had all week to gameplay towards his tendancies.
Just look @ his play after halftime adjustments with the win.

We weren't ragging in the guy. Just pointing out some clear tendencies.

Deebo is a great player and they've centered gameplans around taking him away as well.

what about the 5-game streak in 2017? I guess throughout that span of games, he was still fresh to the league so not a lot of tape on him for defenses to adjust to.

and yeah, the 2nd half. post adjustments, no longer seem to be a coincidence.

Kyle's also mentioned that he can;t knock a guy if he misses an open guy but completes it to someone that still moves the chains

meaning Jimmy can still make his plays.. but that winging it doesn't always work. 2017 wasn't great but it was better than what we had at the time

Pretty good video. I feel like it could have been longer, given how horrid we were on offense and how spectacular we were on defense, but the truth of the matter is that game was 60 minutes of the same thing over and over again. As you out it, bad on bad on bad.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
where is the unbiased film analysis

Grant Cohn's channel

Originally posted by grapesofrathman:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
where is the unbiased film analysis

Grant Cohn's channel

If it's Cohn, biased. If he has certain people on his show, unbiased. Depends on the guys.

Originally posted by random49er:
The 7 TD, 5 INT performance over 5 games? Nothing phenomenal about 7 TDs over 5 games with at least 1 pick per game.

But this is a league of adjustments. There has been plenty of time to further adjust to his game now once those games have been archived. He played his way into a great contract and if anything it adds to the point.

for just getting traded and having no offseason with the team, he played good ball on a new team and on a 1-10 team at that current time with hardly any weapons. the point is, he always seems to do better when he's thrown in the fire on the fly.

Pass pro seemed to be better in the 1st half @Denver than it was in the 2nd half. Jimmy has been blitzed 14 times in 7 quarters of football. It didn't seem like he was being blitzed much in the Seattle game. I wonder how many times Jimmy was blitzed in the 1st half vs the 2nd half @Denver?

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by random49er:
The 7 TD, 5 INT performance over 5 games? Nothing phenomenal about 7 TDs over 5 games with at least 1 pick per game.

But this is a league of adjustments. There has been plenty of time to further adjust to his game now once those games have been archived. He played his way into a great contract and if anything it adds to the point.

for just getting traded and having no offseason with the team, he played good ball on a new team and on a 1-10 team at that current time with hardly any weapons. the point is, he always seems to do better when he's thrown in the fire on the fly.

This is true. Also was true for Nick Mullens. He was the 2nd coming of Christ a few years ago during a stretch when he took over. Maybe thats how Kyle needs to coach them. Dont give them the playbook all week and just have them start cold and call plays accordingly.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:
jd, do you notice the 49er CBs playing man coverage more frequently when compared to last season? The defense still seems very zone dominant, but it could just be the specific weekly gameplan. I thought the signing of Charvarious Ward could mean some instances of blitzing backed with man, but I don't think I've seen it. The coverage calls seem identical to last season.

What I've noticed is more Fangio like palms coverage. Which transitions to man past 8 yards deep. This is what is allowing the safeties to play so aggressively over the middle - think of the big pass break-up by Mooney Ward vs Jeudy. Ward picked him up in man-cov on that deep post beautifully. We're probably playing a tad more man-cov than last year, with the exception of the first GB game, but we used to play a lot more straight C4, now it's matching 4's because we trust the corners.

Is Palms, Read2, and Cover7 considered variations of Quarters, or are they the same thing? I am familiar with Cover7 because a few authors have done write ups on this Nick Saban coverage, and I see the 49ers doing this. I definitely see the 49ers in what I generically refer to as 'Quarters' - CBs giving a 7 yard cushion while the safeties are at 12 yards depth and are making flat foot reads, matching the #2 if they go "vertical". I consider all forms of Quarters a pattern match coverage.
There are a lot of similarities to what Fangio did when it comes to the pattern matching concepts being used when they play this Cover4 shell. The key is the four man pass rush being able to generate pressure. Put a lid on everything and rally to the underneath throw.



This looks like Saban's Cover7 where they basically divide the field in half to play 4v3 and 3v2, then pattern match out of it. Levels to the right, Spot/Snag to the left. The only route open is the short dig.




(not about the above) On many "3rd and pass it" downs, offenses are opting to chip block and that's making things worse (for the QB) in most situations. Can't stretch zones when there are only three routes going out, with two routes lagging behind (due to chip blocking). I knew Fangio wasn't in the building to offer his thoughts to Ryans about front 7 play, since the 49ers are still a one gap front. Looks like it's to offer advice on how to implement coverage schemes.