week 10 vs LA Chargers Coaches Film Analysis

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
In my opinion, I think a well-timed RPO are a good way to go. Defenses can't sell out to stop Deebo AND CMC.

I really want to see option plays that are essentially a football pick and roll where defenses have to choose whether they take away a CMC run, or a Deebo screen.

We ran 5 of those this past game.

How'd they look? IIRC, we just took the run option each time.

That's how it looked; like wasted motions lol

I vaguely remember them. It seemed like a lovely call, but it felt like they were content to run the ball given the context of the game... and the defense was selling out for the run.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I would rather have a negative 3 yards on a 1st down run than an 8 yard sack. But maybe that is just me.

That's fair. Plus the holding penalty is 10 yards. That's stupid brutal. False start. We specialize in both (26 through 9 games).

Holding is called on both run and pass plays and so are false starts.

True. Illegal shifts/motions. Delay of game. Now I'm curious which would get called more. More penalties in run/pass? We'd be an interesting case study given we're as close to 50/50 as it gets.

I think you are just grasping at straws at this point. I am not saying we should run it 100% of the time on first down. Obviously we should be looking for a more balanced attack on 1st down since it is a neutral down as far as run and pass are concerned. I just had no issue with the run heavy gameplan against the worste run defense in the NFL. Did it work out in our favor in the first half? No. But we made up for it in the second half and dominated TOP and out gained the opponent by 150 yards.

Bingo. And be willing to shift if you see how a DC is hyper focused on stopping the run rather than just ride and die with the plan.

Kyle's First Down Run ratio

2022 - 37.8%
2021 - 34.9%
2020 - 28.9%
2019 - 36.0%
2018 - 28.4%
2017 - 27.1%

Kyle is a throw lean on first down and has been his entire tenure as an NFL playcaller

That's 8th most. That makes it still very predictable overall.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/rushing-first-down-pct

Each week you play a different opponent with different strengths and weaknesses so you game plan accordingly.

These numbers don't accurately reflect play callers tendencies because the play caller will at times use a higher or lower frequency of run plays on first down depending on an opponents strengths/weaknesses, weather/field conditions and ebb and flow of the game.

That's cute but it still isn't hard for a 5 year old to predict what Kyle wants to do on first downs.

8th, 6th, 2nd.

It's no secret.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I would rather have a negative 3 yards on a 1st down run than an 8 yard sack. But maybe that is just me.

That's fair. Plus the holding penalty is 10 yards. That's stupid brutal. False start. We specialize in both (26 through 9 games).

Holding is called on both run and pass plays and so are false starts.

True. Illegal shifts/motions. Delay of game. Now I'm curious which would get called more. More penalties in run/pass? We'd be an interesting case study given we're as close to 50/50 as it gets.

I think you are just grasping at straws at this point. I am not saying we should run it 100% of the time on first down. Obviously we should be looking for a more balanced attack on 1st down since it is a neutral down as far as run and pass are concerned. I just had no issue with the run heavy gameplan against the worste run defense in the NFL. Did it work out in our favor in the first half? No. But we made up for it in the second half and dominated TOP and out gained the opponent by 150 yards.

Bingo. And be willing to shift if you see how a DC is hyper focused on stopping the run rather than just ride and die with the plan.

Kyle's First Down Run ratio

2022 - 37.8%
2021 - 34.9%
2020 - 28.9%
2019 - 36.0%
2018 - 28.4%
2017 - 27.1%

Kyle is a throw lean on first down and has been his entire tenure as an NFL playcaller

That's 8th most. That makes it still very predictable overall.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/rushing-first-down-pct

Each week you play a different opponent with different strengths and weaknesses so you game plan accordingly.

These numbers don't accurately reflect play callers tendencies because the play caller will at times use a higher or lower frequency of run plays on first down depending on an opponents strengths/weaknesses, weather/field conditions and ebb and flow of the game.

That's cute but it still isn't hard for a 5 year old to predict what Kyle wants to do on first downs.

8th, 6th, 2nd.

It's no secret.

I say this, without digging up stats, but I don't find our first down plays to be overly predictable in general move-the-ball situations.
It's the fourth quarter with a lead that I have concerns with predictability.

So would you call a team who passes the ball 63% of the time predictable? Those teams find lots of success through the air inspite of defenses knowing their tendency to throw the ball. Just like there are lots of ways to beat a defense through the air. There are lots of ways to beat a defense on the ground. Our run/pass split is damn near balanced at 48% run and 52% pass. How the hell is that even close to predictable? Besides, I am willing to bet that split leans even more toward pass if you take away the first 5 quarters of the season.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So would you call a team who passes the ball 63% of the time predictable? Those teams find lots of success through the air inspite of defenses knowing their tendency to throw the ball. Just like there are lots of ways to beat a defense through the air. There are lots of ways to beat a defense on the ground. Our run/pass split is damn near balanced at 48% run and 52% pass. How the hell is that even close to predictable? Besides, I am willing to bet that split leans even more toward pass if you take away the first 5 quarters of the season.

No question. When a team is league leading year after year with a tendency, it's much easier to defend. DC's look for tendencies. Tells. Simple as that.

Your next door neighbor who knows nothing about football can predict it esp. early.

That said, he has found success switching it up some. But that's because it goes against that tendency.

It's no different than Ryans defending McVay's 80% pass rate on first down tendency. He'd be stupid to throw out a heavy run defense.

Like anything in football, you play to the odds/tendencies to defend. And play off them on offense.

Nothing is going to be a 100% tell.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I would rather have a negative 3 yards on a 1st down run than an 8 yard sack. But maybe that is just me.

That's fair. Plus the holding penalty is 10 yards. That's stupid brutal. False start. We specialize in both (26 through 9 games).

Holding is called on both run and pass plays and so are false starts.

True. Illegal shifts/motions. Delay of game. Now I'm curious which would get called more. More penalties in run/pass? We'd be an interesting case study given we're as close to 50/50 as it gets.

I think you are just grasping at straws at this point. I am not saying we should run it 100% of the time on first down. Obviously we should be looking for a more balanced attack on 1st down since it is a neutral down as far as run and pass are concerned. I just had no issue with the run heavy gameplan against the worste run defense in the NFL. Did it work out in our favor in the first half? No. But we made up for it in the second half and dominated TOP and out gained the opponent by 150 yards.

Bingo. And be willing to shift if you see how a DC is hyper focused on stopping the run rather than just ride and die with the plan.

Kyle's First Down Run ratio

2022 - 37.8%
2021 - 34.9%
2020 - 28.9%
2019 - 36.0%
2018 - 28.4%
2017 - 27.1%

Kyle is a throw lean on first down and has been his entire tenure as an NFL playcaller

That's 8th most. That makes it still very predictable overall.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/rushing-first-down-pct

Each week you play a different opponent with different strengths and weaknesses so you game plan accordingly.

These numbers don't accurately reflect play callers tendencies because the play caller will at times use a higher or lower frequency of run plays on first down depending on an opponents strengths/weaknesses, weather/field conditions and ebb and flow of the game.

That's cute but it still isn't hard for a 5 year old to predict what Kyle wants to do on first downs.

8th, 6th, 2nd.

It's no secret.

But the stats that YOU YOURSELF provided don't support your narrative therefore it is a false narrative you are attempting to push.

It is OK to admit you were wrong here. It happens to the best if us.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I would rather have a negative 3 yards on a 1st down run than an 8 yard sack. But maybe that is just me.

That's fair. Plus the holding penalty is 10 yards. That's stupid brutal. False start. We specialize in both (26 through 9 games).

Holding is called on both run and pass plays and so are false starts.

True. Illegal shifts/motions. Delay of game. Now I'm curious which would get called more. More penalties in run/pass? We'd be an interesting case study given we're as close to 50/50 as it gets.

I think you are just grasping at straws at this point. I am not saying we should run it 100% of the time on first down. Obviously we should be looking for a more balanced attack on 1st down since it is a neutral down as far as run and pass are concerned. I just had no issue with the run heavy gameplan against the worste run defense in the NFL. Did it work out in our favor in the first half? No. But we made up for it in the second half and dominated TOP and out gained the opponent by 150 yards.

Bingo. And be willing to shift if you see how a DC is hyper focused on stopping the run rather than just ride and die with the plan.

Kyle's First Down Run ratio

2022 - 37.8%
2021 - 34.9%
2020 - 28.9%
2019 - 36.0%
2018 - 28.4%
2017 - 27.1%

Kyle is a throw lean on first down and has been his entire tenure as an NFL playcaller

That's 8th most. That makes it still very predictable overall.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/rushing-first-down-pct

Each week you play a different opponent with different strengths and weaknesses so you game plan accordingly.

These numbers don't accurately reflect play callers tendencies because the play caller will at times use a higher or lower frequency of run plays on first down depending on an opponents strengths/weaknesses, weather/field conditions and ebb and flow of the game.

That's cute but it still isn't hard for a 5 year old to predict what Kyle wants to do on first downs.

8th, 6th, 2nd.

It's no secret.

But the stats that YOU YOURSELF provided don't support your narrative therefore it is a false narrative you are attempting to push.

It is OK to admit you were wrong here. It happens to the best if us.

What narrative? That Kyle has a tendency the opposite of McVay's tendency every single year?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I would rather have a negative 3 yards on a 1st down run than an 8 yard sack. But maybe that is just me.

That's fair. Plus the holding penalty is 10 yards. That's stupid brutal. False start. We specialize in both (26 through 9 games).

Holding is called on both run and pass plays and so are false starts.

True. Illegal shifts/motions. Delay of game. Now I'm curious which would get called more. More penalties in run/pass? We'd be an interesting case study given we're as close to 50/50 as it gets.

I think you are just grasping at straws at this point. I am not saying we should run it 100% of the time on first down. Obviously we should be looking for a more balanced attack on 1st down since it is a neutral down as far as run and pass are concerned. I just had no issue with the run heavy gameplan against the worste run defense in the NFL. Did it work out in our favor in the first half? No. But we made up for it in the second half and dominated TOP and out gained the opponent by 150 yards.

Bingo. And be willing to shift if you see how a DC is hyper focused on stopping the run rather than just ride and die with the plan.

Kyle's First Down Run ratio

2022 - 37.8%
2021 - 34.9%
2020 - 28.9%
2019 - 36.0%
2018 - 28.4%
2017 - 27.1%

Kyle is a throw lean on first down and has been his entire tenure as an NFL playcaller

That's 8th most. That makes it still very predictable overall.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/rushing-first-down-pct

Each week you play a different opponent with different strengths and weaknesses so you game plan accordingly.

These numbers don't accurately reflect play callers tendencies because the play caller will at times use a higher or lower frequency of run plays on first down depending on an opponents strengths/weaknesses, weather/field conditions and ebb and flow of the game.

That's cute but it still isn't hard for a 5 year old to predict what Kyle wants to do on first downs.

8th, 6th, 2nd.

It's no secret.

But the stats that YOU YOURSELF provided don't support your narrative therefore it is a false narrative you are attempting to push.

It is OK to admit you were wrong here. It happens to the best if us.

What narrative? That Kyle has a tendency the opposite of McVay's tendency every single year?

You are deflecting...why is that? Because your stats don't support what you're trying to convey?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So would you call a team who passes the ball 63% of the time predictable? Those teams find lots of success through the air inspite of defenses knowing their tendency to throw the ball. Just like there are lots of ways to beat a defense through the air. There are lots of ways to beat a defense on the ground. Our run/pass split is damn near balanced at 48% run and 52% pass. How the hell is that even close to predictable? Besides, I am willing to bet that split leans even more toward pass if you take away the first 5 quarters of the season.

No question. When a team is league leading year after year with a tendency, it's much easier to defend. DC's look for tendencies. Tells. Simple as that.

Your next door neighbor who knows nothing about football can predict it esp. early.

That said, he has found success switching it up some. But that's because it goes against that tendency.

It's no different than Ryans defending McVay's 80% pass rate on first down tendency. He'd be stupid to throw out a heavy run defense.

Like anything in football, you play to the odds/tendencies to defend. And play off them on offense.

Nothing is going to be a 100% tell.

A near 50/50 split is the exact opposite of predictable. Predictable would be Stafford to Kupp and yet that duo is one of the hardest to defend in the league. And what about KC who I was referring to when I said 63% pass? Are they so predictable that they get shut down week after week?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So would you call a team who passes the ball 63% of the time predictable? Those teams find lots of success through the air inspite of defenses knowing their tendency to throw the ball. Just like there are lots of ways to beat a defense through the air. There are lots of ways to beat a defense on the ground. Our run/pass split is damn near balanced at 48% run and 52% pass. How the hell is that even close to predictable? Besides, I am willing to bet that split leans even more toward pass if you take away the first 5 quarters of the season.

No question. When a team is league leading year after year with a tendency, it's much easier to defend. DC's look for tendencies. Tells. Simple as that.

Your next door neighbor who knows nothing about football can predict it esp. early.

That said, he has found success switching it up some. But that's because it goes against that tendency.

It's no different than Ryans defending McVay's 80% pass rate on first down tendency. He'd be stupid to throw out a heavy run defense.

Like anything in football, you play to the odds/tendencies to defend. And play off them on offense.

Nothing is going to be a 100% tell.

A near 50/50 split is the exact opposite of predictable. Predictable would be Stafford to Kupp and yet that duo is one of the hardest to defend in the league. And what about KC who I was referring to when I said 63% pass? Are they so predictable that they get shut down week after week?

We were talking about a first down tendency. As to whether or not it's still successful is another topic.

Even then, nothing wrong with a 50/50 split. It just puts massive pressure on the passing game. No room for error.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I would rather have a negative 3 yards on a 1st down run than an 8 yard sack. But maybe that is just me.

That's fair. Plus the holding penalty is 10 yards. That's stupid brutal. False start. We specialize in both (26 through 9 games).

Holding is called on both run and pass plays and so are false starts.

True. Illegal shifts/motions. Delay of game. Now I'm curious which would get called more. More penalties in run/pass? We'd be an interesting case study given we're as close to 50/50 as it gets.

I think you are just grasping at straws at this point. I am not saying we should run it 100% of the time on first down. Obviously we should be looking for a more balanced attack on 1st down since it is a neutral down as far as run and pass are concerned. I just had no issue with the run heavy gameplan against the worste run defense in the NFL. Did it work out in our favor in the first half? No. But we made up for it in the second half and dominated TOP and out gained the opponent by 150 yards.

Bingo. And be willing to shift if you see how a DC is hyper focused on stopping the run rather than just ride and die with the plan.

Kyle's First Down Run ratio

2022 - 37.8%
2021 - 34.9%
2020 - 28.9%
2019 - 36.0%
2018 - 28.4%
2017 - 27.1%

Kyle is a throw lean on first down and has been his entire tenure as an NFL playcaller

That's 8th most. That makes it still very predictable overall.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/rushing-first-down-pct

Each week you play a different opponent with different strengths and weaknesses so you game plan accordingly.

These numbers don't accurately reflect play callers tendencies because the play caller will at times use a higher or lower frequency of run plays on first down depending on an opponents strengths/weaknesses, weather/field conditions and ebb and flow of the game.

That's cute but it still isn't hard for a 5 year old to predict what Kyle wants to do on first downs.

8th, 6th, 2nd.

It's no secret.

But the stats that YOU YOURSELF provided don't support your narrative therefore it is a false narrative you are attempting to push.

It is OK to admit you were wrong here. It happens to the best if us.

What narrative? That Kyle has a tendency the opposite of McVay's tendency every single year?

You are deflecting...why is that? Because your stats don't support what you're trying to convey?

My stats are league rankings on who runs the most on first downs. 8th, 6th and 2nd most. That, my friend, is a tendency.

Originally posted by NCommand:
No question. When a team is league leading year after year with a tendency, it's much easier to defend. DC's look for tendencies. Tells. Simple as that.

Your next door neighbor who knows nothing about football can predict it esp. early.

That said, he has found success switching it up some. But that's because it goes against that tendency.

It's no different than Ryans defending McVay's 80% pass rate on first down tendency. He'd be stupid to throw out a heavy run defense.

Like anything in football, you play to the odds/tendencies to defend. And play off them on offense.

Nothing is going to be a 100% tell.

Literally has not led the league in running percent on first down in the sample provided. 3 years in the top 10 and 3 years in the bottom 10. At no time was it at or approaching 50% on first down. In his time in SF, has thrown the ball between 72%-63% of the time on first down.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
In my opinion, I think a well-timed RPO are a good way to go. Defenses can't sell out to stop Deebo AND CMC.

I really want to see option plays that are essentially a football pick and roll where defenses have to choose whether they take away a CMC run, or a Deebo screen.

We ran 5 of those this past game.

How'd they look? IIRC, we just took the run option each time.

That's how it looked; like wasted motions lol

I vaguely remember them. It seemed like a lovely call, but it felt like they were content to run the ball given the context of the game... and the defense was selling out for the run.

2 of those could've been house calls if the pass was chosen IMO after watching the coaches film. But JD is a better person to answer that then me. Maybe he covered it in his video? I haven't watched it yet

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So would you call a team who passes the ball 63% of the time predictable? Those teams find lots of success through the air inspite of defenses knowing their tendency to throw the ball. Just like there are lots of ways to beat a defense through the air. There are lots of ways to beat a defense on the ground. Our run/pass split is damn near balanced at 48% run and 52% pass. How the hell is that even close to predictable? Besides, I am willing to bet that split leans even more toward pass if you take away the first 5 quarters of the season.

No question. When a team is league leading year after year with a tendency, it's much easier to defend. DC's look for tendencies. Tells. Simple as that.

Your next door neighbor who knows nothing about football can predict it esp. early.

That said, he has found success switching it up some. But that's because it goes against that tendency.

It's no different than Ryans defending McVay's 80% pass rate on first down tendency. He'd be stupid to throw out a heavy run defense.

Like anything in football, you play to the odds/tendencies to defend. And play off them on offense.

Nothing is going to be a 100% tell.

A near 50/50 split is the exact opposite of predictable. Predictable would be Stafford to Kupp and yet that duo is one of the hardest to defend in the league. And what about KC who I was referring to when I said 63% pass? Are they so predictable that they get shut down week after week?

We were talking about a first down tendency. As to whether or not it's still successful is another topic.

Even then, nothing wrong with a 50/50 split. It just puts massive pressure on the passing game. No room for error.

There is no room for error in the NFL period. You take a sack on 1st down and then an incomplete pass on 2nd down and you are in trouble on 3rd down. Since you are so stuck on this 1st down split, where are we at in that stat this season?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I would rather have a negative 3 yards on a 1st down run than an 8 yard sack. But maybe that is just me.

That's fair. Plus the holding penalty is 10 yards. That's stupid brutal. False start. We specialize in both (26 through 9 games).

Holding is called on both run and pass plays and so are false starts.

True. Illegal shifts/motions. Delay of game. Now I'm curious which would get called more. More penalties in run/pass? We'd be an interesting case study given we're as close to 50/50 as it gets.

I think you are just grasping at straws at this point. I am not saying we should run it 100% of the time on first down. Obviously we should be looking for a more balanced attack on 1st down since it is a neutral down as far as run and pass are concerned. I just had no issue with the run heavy gameplan against the worste run defense in the NFL. Did it work out in our favor in the first half? No. But we made up for it in the second half and dominated TOP and out gained the opponent by 150 yards.

Bingo. And be willing to shift if you see how a DC is hyper focused on stopping the run rather than just ride and die with the plan.

Kyle's First Down Run ratio

2022 - 37.8%
2021 - 34.9%
2020 - 28.9%
2019 - 36.0%
2018 - 28.4%
2017 - 27.1%

Kyle is a throw lean on first down and has been his entire tenure as an NFL playcaller

That's 8th most. That makes it still very predictable overall.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/rushing-first-down-pct

Each week you play a different opponent with different strengths and weaknesses so you game plan accordingly.

These numbers don't accurately reflect play callers tendencies because the play caller will at times use a higher or lower frequency of run plays on first down depending on an opponents strengths/weaknesses, weather/field conditions and ebb and flow of the game.

That's cute but it still isn't hard for a 5 year old to predict what Kyle wants to do on first downs.

8th, 6th, 2nd.

It's no secret.

But the stats that YOU YOURSELF provided don't support your narrative therefore it is a false narrative you are attempting to push.

It is OK to admit you were wrong here. It happens to the best if us.

What narrative? That Kyle has a tendency the opposite of McVay's tendency every single year?

You are deflecting...why is that? Because your stats don't support what you're trying to convey?

My stats are league rankings on who runs the most on first downs. 8th, 6th and 2nd most. That, my friend, is a tendency.

Why did we run 54% of the time on first down VS LAC yet we only ran 19% of the time on first down VS Atlanta?