What do we do now at QB?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
This injury might only be 6 months. People need to breathe here. Could still get a preseason game or 2 in if things go well. He's young so that should help this recovery.

If he needs the reconstructive surgery, then it's panic time.

Best case scenario, he's back throwing in 6 months, maybe he gets back to his previous level in another 3-6 months after that, not to mention missing out on an offseason of development. At this point I'm expecting Purdy to be written off as a reliable starter until 2024.

I seem to remember saying he was done right before you gave me the evil eye.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by theninermind:
Tom Brady for his final year. Trey Lance and Brock Purdy battle for backup duties and our 2024 team will benefit from learning behind TB12

I'd give him two years. Let him win the big one then decide if he wants to run it back one more time or pass the baton to the young 'uns.

this would be the most talented all star roster of all time with Brady. And if we can keep EMan on the cheap, move Lenoir to slot and keep the majority of D intact this becomes a formidable team that no one would want to face…

Or we could continue to be the most injured team in the NFL like we have been over the last decade and signing Brady sets us back now and in the future (not seeing more of Lance and Purdy)

How so ? Brady gives us the best chance to win a ring now. All we have to decide is whether the risk is worth the cost. It doesn't set us back one bit. But I can assure you one more season of Trey or Brock and no SB….Kyle goes on the hot seat. This is the 49ers. You don't get rewarded by stockpiling 2nd place trophies.

This is the NFL, you can't assure anything no matter how much you think you can.

Brady MIGHT give us the best QB play, and it's even less certain he gives us the best chance to win over Purdy and Lance plus more cap room.

We would have to sign him obviously, and what happens if Trey or Brock is the better QB than Brady next season? You wasted money on an older QB, and that money could have been used elsewhere.

If Trey can start working in 3 or 4 weeks, and Brock chooses the surgery option that allows him to throw after 3 months, as both have mentioned in their exit interviews with the press the QB situation may not be as dire as it seems now. Of course that's provided everything goes smoothly for both of them.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/01/31/trey-lance-brock-purdy-not-aware-nor-obsessing-over-49ers-2023-plan/

IMO we are in a very good position

2 guys - both affordable, young and neither has scratched their potential.

Let them battle it out and may the best man win.

I don't think we'll go Brady - wayyy too much $$$

Given a choice, I'd much rather go w/Rodgers but that'll never happen.

if its Brady, he better not bring that wearing white jerseys crap at home, here!

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
This injury might only be 6 months. People need to breathe here. Could still get a preseason game or 2 in if things go well. He's young so that should help this recovery.

If he needs the reconstructive surgery, then it's panic time.

Best case scenario, he's back throwing in 6 months, maybe he gets back to his previous level in another 3-6 months after that, not to mention missing out on an offseason of development. At this point I'm expecting Purdy to be written off as a reliable starter until 2024.

I seem to remember saying he was done right before you gave me the evil eye.

Even a blind dingo can occasionally steal a baby

Originally posted by DrEll:
His performance from last year. This isn't Tom Brady fresh off the NE bandwagon having won 6 SBs. This is Tom Brady who got beat up on a bad team that wants to leave this league on a winning note. A guy that is divorced from his wife, and would probably do well being close to his home around his parents. A guy who has family and friends (along with a hometown fanbase) that could cheer him on and make the real world distractions less apparent on gameday.

I think all of this is going through Brady's head. He was watching the Niners-Eagles game, and had something to say about feeling bad for the team once Brock went down.

He's still a Niner fan at heart, and this would be the best situation to come to KNOWING that the guys behind you are young and just want to learn, not compete with you for the starting job.

I can't imagine Kyle makes the same mistake twice. He would be instantly in the hot chair if he decided to go with Brock and/or Trey knowing Brady was available and the team loses another SB year.

Brady will play for less. And he'll sign for 2 years. And I'm damn excited about it bc this may end being one of the all time loaded rosters going into 2023, and the entire NFL world will be scared s**tless for it…

If they don't get better pass protection, Tom is going to end up in a wheel chair behind the current oline. The eagles aren't going to be afraid of some 46 year old non mobile qb.

Originally posted by Midbay:

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
This injury might only be 6 months. People need to breathe here. Could still get a preseason game or 2 in if things go well. He's young so that should help this recovery.

If he needs the reconstructive surgery, then it's panic time.

Best case scenario, he's back throwing in 6 months, maybe he gets back to his previous level in another 3-6 months after that, not to mention missing out on an offseason of development. At this point I'm expecting Purdy to be written off as a reliable starter until 2024.

I seem to remember saying he was done right before you gave me the evil eye.

Even a blind dingo can occasionally steal a baby

lol

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by frankieuc68:

Originally posted by thl408:
There's also the optics of acquiring Brady and how that affects the veterans on the team. To see the front office go out and make an impactful change can invigorate a locker room that is understandably bummed out by what just transpired. To go into 2023 with a vet leader at QB can give a sense of freshness to the season - that, "this year is different". The only hesitancy I have with Brady is how much $ he will command. He needs to understand that the 49ers are strapped for cash and that he will need to take a (literally) hometown discount to make it work.

That's a good point and that would resonate to the team that the front office is not f'n around. Hopefully Brady will not be asking too much this time.

Yup. That "All in" feeling. The 49ers have no more picks to trade (no valuable picks), so the next best thing is to sign an impactful free agent. The other question is how far can Brady throw? Damn he's old. The last time the 49ers entertained the idea of Brady, they watched all his 2019 throws and thought he was done. I don't see how watching all his 2022 throws is going to make SF coaches feel better. Although I admit that the two full games I watched of the Bucs this season were when they got waxed by SF and DAL.

Did fine vs Carolina when he aired it out to Evan's 3 times for TDs to put a dagger in Carolina. Lucky for him Kyle's offense is less about air yards. He just needs to make the quick reads put it in his playmakers hands and let them do all the work. It's the best situation for a 45 year old quarterback…

Good point.

Add to that, He sees all our playmakers of CMC, Deebo, Kittle, Aiyuk which are the better versions of Edelman, Welker, Gronk. Then also a chance to add a trophy to close his career for his childhood team. Where do I sign?-TB

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:
I seem to remember saying he was done right before you gave me the evil eye.

Who says he's done? He's 23, even if he misses some or most of next season he's still very much going to figure into this team's plans into the future.

Originally posted by Bangbang89:
If they don't get better pass protection, Tom is going to end up in a wheel chair behind the current oline. The eagles aren't going to be afraid of some 46 year old non mobile qb.

The thing about the Eagles is that they can't maintain that defense beyond this season. Look at who their free agents are, look at how much cap space they've got along with having to give Hurts a giant extension. This was their year to go for it. Next year, the 49ers should do the same.

Originally posted by Jcool:
You should never pay for past results. 46 year old QB coming off his worst year since the mid 00s might not give the team the best chance.

Was 2019 in the mid 00's?

Tom Brady 2022-4,700 yards, 67% completion, 25 TD's, 9 INT's, 90 QB rating

Tom Brady 2019-4,057 yards, 61% completion, 24 TD's, 8 INTs, 88 QB rating

I remember all the talk about how he was declining and he was done and finished in 2019 and then we all saw what happened. He's no longer good enough to carry an offense but he can absolutely still be a high end game manager that takes advantage of an offense loaded with talent like what the 49ers have and you know that no moment will ever be too big for him.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by theninermind:
Tom Brady for his final year. Trey Lance and Brock Purdy battle for backup duties and our 2024 team will benefit from learning behind TB12

I'd give him two years. Let him win the big one then decide if he wants to run it back one more time or pass the baton to the young 'uns.

this would be the most talented all star roster of all time with Brady. And if we can keep EMan on the cheap, move Lenoir to slot and keep the majority of D intact this becomes a formidable team that no one would want to face…

Or we could continue to be the most injured team in the NFL like we have been over the last decade and signing Brady sets us back now and in the future (not seeing more of Lance and Purdy)

How so ? Brady gives us the best chance to win a ring now. All we have to decide is whether the risk is worth the cost. It doesn't set us back one bit. But I can assure you one more season of Trey or Brock and no SB….Kyle goes on the hot seat. This is the 49ers. You don't get rewarded by stockpiling 2nd place trophies.

This is the NFL, you can't assure anything no matter how much you think you can.

Brady MIGHT give us the best QB play, and it's even less certain he gives us the best chance to win over Purdy and Lance plus more cap room.

We would have to sign him obviously, and what happens if Trey or Brock is the better QB than Brady next season? You wasted money on an older QB, and that money could have been used elsewhere.

Purdy doesn't factor in next year do to health and Lance being a better QB than Brady next year is just not realistic.

Originally posted by MBNINER90266:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by MBNINER90266:
Brady is not going to be cheap so we won't sign him. We are not going to shell out 30M.

We won't. And he won't ask for 30M. I bet he's willing to come in the 20-22M range on a two year rental. That gives plenty of time to win one or two rings then hands the reigns to Brock.

What makes you think that? He wouldn't take less than 30 from TB and I just read something the other day that he will want the same or close from us. No home town discount. So what info do you have beyond hope?

yeah that was Rapport saying that he gets the sense that Brady wont come cheap but he had nothing concrete to back those claims up pure speculation.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by frankieuc68:

Originally posted by thl408:
There's also the optics of acquiring Brady and how that affects the veterans on the team. To see the front office go out and make an impactful change can invigorate a locker room that is understandably bummed out by what just transpired. To go into 2023 with a vet leader at QB can give a sense of freshness to the season - that, "this year is different". The only hesitancy I have with Brady is how much $ he will command. He needs to understand that the 49ers are strapped for cash and that he will need to take a (literally) hometown discount to make it work.

That's a good point and that would resonate to the team that the front office is not f'n around. Hopefully Brady will not be asking too much this time.

Yup. That "All in" feeling. The 49ers have no more picks to trade (no valuable picks), so the next best thing is to sign an impactful free agent. The other question is how far can Brady throw? Damn he's old. The last time the 49ers entertained the idea of Brady, they watched all his 2019 throws and thought he was done. I don't see how watching all his 2022 throws is going to make SF coaches feel better. Although I admit that the two full games I watched of the Bucs this season were when they got waxed by SF and DAL.

The problem is I just don't think Brady has it anymore. I saw him miss easy throw after easy throw this season when no one was around him. This wasn't the case a couple years ago.

It wouldn't shock me at all if Purdy comes back and plays at a higher level than Brady post injury.

And signing Brady means any hope we had for Trey being the guy or having any trade value is over.

Nothing works in a vacuum, there's more ramifications to signing Brady than just losing the 15-20m we could use to sign an impact starter.

Brady did miss some relatively easy throws, however, some of those misses were the result of receivers running bad routes. This was just a bad year all-around in TB.

If Purdy comes back in the same form we last saw him, I have little doubt he would outplay Brady. The problem is, no one knows for sure when Purdy is coming back. Signing Brady would send that message to the team.

Lance has no trade value at the present time. We can forget about that. TL is going to get his chance this off-season and TC.

Brady is the ultimate safety valve that assures a quality starter in case the other two options never develop. With this current roster, that is a move worth making, IMO.

Preach it brother.