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Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 9moon:
The Patriots were a very good QB away from making a come back and stealing the show..
Yeah all they needed was a very good QB. One of the easiest things to have.
they actually have a good one, their 1st round pick... I don't get how they can watch a veteran perform that way when a young QB can do that as well AND learn..
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by thl408:
Good point. The Patriots were a very good QB and very good OL away from making a come back and stealing the show. Also, a very good defense. So all they needed was a very good QB, a very good OL, and a very good defense, then the 49ers would have been toast. 49ers got lucky.
They do have some talent in the secondary. Peppers is a thumper and was all over the place and Christian Gonzalez is an absolute stud at CB. Its up front that they're a hot mess on both sides of the ball.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by thl408:
Good point. The Patriots were a very good QB and very good OL away from making a come back and stealing the show. Also, a very good defense. So all they needed was a very good QB, a very good OL, and a very good defense, then the 49ers would have been toast. 49ers got lucky.
They do have some talent in the secondary. Peppers is a thumper and was all over the place and Christian Gonzalez is an absolute stud at CB. Its up front that they're a hot mess on both sides of the ball.
Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 9moon:
The Patriots were a very good QB away from making a come back and stealing the show..
Yeah all they needed was a very good QB. One of the easiest things to have.
they actually have a good one, their 1st round pick... I don't get how they can watch a veteran perform that way when a young QB can do that as well AND learn..
I see your terrible takes aren't isolated to the 49ers
Originally posted by thl408:I start talking about that at 16 seconds but I addressed that in my review of the Rams and why we run so many condensed splits. Shanahan has mentioned this but it gets overlooked in lieu of questions like "what does it mean for your defense to be without Nick Bosa?" ????
bleh, the article is behind a paywall now. But here's the post discussing it. The article is about the 49ers 2023 offense, not this season.
https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/187983-49ers-head-coach-kyle-shanahan-thread/page4117/#post61752
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https://www.wsj.com/sports/football/kyle-shanahan-offense-49ers-brock-purdy-christian-mccaffrey-1776f02e?st=hqn7hg67tstr5wn&reflink=mobilewebshare_permalink
Shanahan's condensed formations, which are beginning to proliferate through the NFL, take the same principles as the spread—and completely invert them. The goal of any offense is to create and exploit space. Spread schemes do that by forcing defenders to line up from sideline to sideline. The 49ers achieve the same goal in an unexpected way: by forcing defensive backs to worry about the enormous empty patches of turf on the outside, it actually opens up the middle of the field to attack.
This season, Shanahan lined up his offense in tight formations more than ever before: San Francisco has run 63.9% of its total plays in this style. What that means is that when the offense lines up, the average width of the formation is just 19.9 yards, according to Next Gen Stats, or nearly 5 yards narrower than the NFL average of 24.6.
For six straight years, Next Gen Stats has found that the 49ers have targeted in-breaking routes more frequently than any other team in the NFL.
Those passes explain Purdy's incredible efficiency this season, when he led the league with 9.6 yards per pass attempt. In condensed formations, in-breaking routes average 9.2 yards per attempt with a 69.4% completion rate. Those numbers drop to 7.9 yards and 63.9% from spread formations.
The 49ers see a lot of stacked boxes? You can check out the entire breakdown here: https://t.co/iFI0tAecRz pic.twitter.com/bKqg8t0uKX
— JonnydelsFA (@jonnydels) September 25, 2024
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 9moon:
The Patriots were a very good QB away from making a come back and stealing the show..
Yeah all they needed was a very good QB. One of the easiest things to have.
they actually have a good one, their 1st round pick... I don't get how they can watch a veteran perform that way when a young QB can do that as well AND learn..
Originally posted by thl408:
Nice example of how the 49ers use 11, look at how the defense matches up, then attack accordingly (run or pass).
I've noticed the 49ers using more empty backfield this season and spreading the field. I can't quantify, but it does seem like there's more of it. The 49ers led the league, if you can call it that, in having the least amount of split distance. Meaning the WR splits were the least in distance (distance from EMOL to WR) compared to the rest of league. Another way of saying it is that they were in reduced splits the most of any team - the opposite of spreading the field. I'll try to find the article that studied this. I posted it in the Kyle Shanahan Scheme thread. I think it's to make it easier for Brock in the quick rhythm passing game since the field is spread to make the four pass rushers defined. In this current era of defenses trying to confuse pass protections by crowding the LOS, spreading the field has clear benefits.
Originally posted by jonnydel:NOLAN was stupid.. he chose Akilex Smith over Aaron because Aaron asked why he needed to do jump ropes when Nolan asked him..
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 9moon:
The Patriots were a very good QB away from making a come back and stealing the show..
Yeah all they needed was a very good QB. One of the easiest things to have.
they actually have a good one, their 1st round pick... I don't get how they can watch a veteran perform that way when a young QB can do that as well AND learn..
There's a reason I included so few clips of our defense. It was more about how awful their offense was and how bad their OL was than anything. I wasn't gonna spend a lot of time bagging on how bad the Patriots are, lol.
Putting Maye out there behind that OL and with those receivers is akin to when Nolan threw Alex Smith out there in 2005.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by thl408:I start talking about that at 16 seconds but I addressed that in my review of the Rams and why we run so many condensed splits. Shanahan has mentioned this but it gets overlooked in lieu of questions like "what does it mean for your defense to be without Nick Bosa?" ????
bleh, the article is behind a paywall now. But here's the post discussing it. The article is about the 49ers 2023 offense, not this season.
https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/187983-49ers-head-coach-kyle-shanahan-thread/page4117/#post61752
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https://www.wsj.com/sports/football/kyle-shanahan-offense-49ers-brock-purdy-christian-mccaffrey-1776f02e?st=hqn7hg67tstr5wn&reflink=mobilewebshare_permalink
Shanahan's condensed formations, which are beginning to proliferate through the NFL, take the same principles as the spread—and completely invert them. The goal of any offense is to create and exploit space. Spread schemes do that by forcing defenders to line up from sideline to sideline. The 49ers achieve the same goal in an unexpected way: by forcing defensive backs to worry about the enormous empty patches of turf on the outside, it actually opens up the middle of the field to attack.
This season, Shanahan lined up his offense in tight formations more than ever before: San Francisco has run 63.9% of its total plays in this style. What that means is that when the offense lines up, the average width of the formation is just 19.9 yards, according to Next Gen Stats, or nearly 5 yards narrower than the NFL average of 24.6.
For six straight years, Next Gen Stats has found that the 49ers have targeted in-breaking routes more frequently than any other team in the NFL.
Those passes explain Purdy's incredible efficiency this season, when he led the league with 9.6 yards per pass attempt. In condensed formations, in-breaking routes average 9.2 yards per attempt with a 69.4% completion rate. Those numbers drop to 7.9 yards and 63.9% from spread formations.
The 49ers see a lot of stacked boxes? You can check out the entire breakdown here: https://t.co/iFI0tAecRz pic.twitter.com/bKqg8t0uKX
— JonnydelsFA (@jonnydels) September 25, 2024
Originally posted by Dshearn:
They kinda miss the entire point....blocking rules.... you get better blocking leeway per the rule set. If you spread that out, you get flagged for crack back blocks non-stop.
You can do stuff at the hash or inside the hash you can't do in a wide set.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by thl408:
Nice example of how the 49ers use 11, look at how the defense matches up, then attack accordingly (run or pass).
I've noticed the 49ers using more empty backfield this season and spreading the field. I can't quantify, but it does seem like there's more of it. The 49ers led the league, if you can call it that, in having the least amount of split distance. Meaning the WR splits were the least in distance (distance from EMOL to WR) compared to the rest of league. Another way of saying it is that they were in reduced splits the most of any team - the opposite of spreading the field. I'll try to find the article that studied this. I posted it in the Kyle Shanahan Scheme thread. I think it's to make it easier for Brock in the quick rhythm passing game since the field is spread to make the four pass rushers defined. In this current era of defenses trying to confuse pass protections by crowding the LOS, spreading the field has clear benefits.
A lot less play-action this yr as well?
Originally posted by 9moon:
they actually have a good one, their 1st round pick... I don't get how they can watch a veteran perform that way when a young QB can do that as well AND learn..
Originally posted by miked1978:
Originally posted by 9moon:
they actually have a good one, their 1st round pick... I don't get how they can watch a veteran perform that way when a young QB can do that as well AND learn..
Did you miss the Bryce Young debacle? Throwing a QB out there isn't a great thing especially if you have a bad OL, nut much weapons and pretty much a horrendous offense.
Originally posted by miked1978:
Originally posted by 9moon:
they actually have a good one, their 1st round pick... I don't get how they can watch a veteran perform that way when a young QB can do that as well AND learn..
Did you miss the Bryce Young debacle? Throwing a QB out there isn't a great thing especially if you have a bad OL, nut much weapons and pretty much a horrendous offense.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
I think he's missed the point, generally. I don't know of any QB you can point to that was thrown out there with no team around them, early on, and had success. Sam Darnold is another great example. There's so many more though.