Jimmy Garoppolo-QB-EIU

Originally posted by Zachary13White:

the thing about adding Jimmy over a rookie would be the contract thing as well... if you draft a 1st rd. quarterback you have him for 5 years at that rookie wage scale thus making it easier to build a contending type of roster..If you add Jimmy your probably going to have to sign him to big money right out of the gate

Which is a major factor that lowers his value.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Which is a major factor that lowers his value.

Agreed.

I like a lot about Jimmy's game but at the end of the day he's a 1.5 game starter.

The Pats will ask for an arm and a leg because they're a well run franchise. Just because they ask for it doesn't mean we should give it to them.

If another team wants to pony up a 1st round pick + then let them have him and hope in a few years it's not a giant mistake that haunts us.

An Alex Smith like trade should be the MAX we offer. If they don't take that then it wasn't meant to be.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Which is a major factor that lowers his value.

Agreed.

I like a lot about Jimmy's game but at the end of the day he's a 1.5 game starter.

The Pats will ask for an arm and a leg because they're a well run franchise. Just because they ask for it doesn't mean we should give it to them.

If another team wants to pony up a 1st round pick + then let them have him and hope in a few years it's not a giant mistake that haunts us.

An Alex Smith like trade should be the MAX we offer. If they don't take that then it wasn't meant to be.

I realize a lot of people throw around the Alex Smith trade for comparison purposes.

But in reality -- Alex's value was far...FAR...more established than that of Garoppolo. Not only (at the time) did Alex have several years of starting experience under his belt, he also had playoff victories. Moreover, he was on a very manageable contract and would never get elite QB money given his history.

So this "let's offer two 2nd round picks" comparison is a little off. You're not trading the same asset. Jimmy G simply doesn't have the pedigree to substantiate that compensation.

That's why if somebody wants to make an Alex Smith-like trade for him...then I hope it's not us.

Originally posted by genus49:

Technically it would only be stupid if it doesn't work out :)

If he turns into another Tom Brady or a Drew Brees it will be considered a steal. If he turns into Matt Cassel or Brock Osweiler it will be incredibly stupid.

Considering it's Cleveland I'd lean towards the latter. Hopefully for Jimmy he doesn't wind up there.

What in Jimmy G's game do you dislike though? If he was in this draft he'd most likely be the top qb...he was a 2nd rd pick for a reason.

You can throw away the couple starts he's had and go look at his college film, he's brings a lot to the table in what you want a FQB to be.

I don't think anyone is gonna throw a 1st at him simply because you're gonna have to pay him...we have to look at upgrading the qb spot and this is one good way to attack it.

Originally posted by okdkid:

I realize a lot of people throw around the Alex Smith trade for comparison purposes.

But in reality -- Alex's value was far...FAR...more established than that of Garoppolo. Not only (at the time) did Alex have several years of starting experience under his belt, he also had playoff victories. Moreover, he was on a very manageable contract and would never get elite QB money given his history.

So this "let's offer two 2nd round picks" comparison is a little off. You're not trading the same asset. Jimmy G simply doesn't have the pedigree to substantiate that compensation.

That's why if somebody wants to make an Alex Smith-like trade for him...then I hope it's not us.

Alex also had a ton of very bad seasons and some people could have assumed the reason he was playing well was based on the HC.

I'd be pumped to get him for a 2nd and a conditional 2nd in 2018

Just going to throw some statistics up...


Year Team Passing Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Rtg
2010 Eastern Illinois 124 211 58.8 1,639 7.8 14 13 133.6
2011 Eastern Illinois 217 349 62.2 2,644 7.6 20 14 136.7
2012 Eastern Illinois 331 540 61.3 3,823 7.1 31 15 134.2
2013 Eastern Illinois 375 568 66.0 5,050 8.9 53 9 168.3
Career 1,047 1,668 62.8 13,156 7.9 118 51 146.3


Passing Rushing Sacked Fumbles
Year Team G GS Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Rtg A
2014 NE 6 0 19 27 70.4 182 6.7 1 0 101.2
2015 NE 5 0 1 4 25 6 1.5 0 0 39.6
2016 NE 2 2 42 60 70.0 498 8.3 4 0 123.5
Total 12 1 62 91 68.1 686 7.5 5 0 108.6

Originally posted by jcs:

Just going to throw some statistics up...


Year Team Passing Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Rtg
2010 Eastern Illinois 124 211 58.8 1,639 7.8 14 13 133.6
2011 Eastern Illinois 217 349 62.2 2,644 7.6 20 14 136.7
2012 Eastern Illinois 331 540 61.3 3,823 7.1 31 15 134.2
2013 Eastern Illinois 375 568 66.0 5,050 8.9 53 9 168.3
Career 1,047 1,668 62.8 13,156 7.9 118 51 146.3


Passing Rushing Sacked Fumbles
Year Team G GS Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Rtg A
2014 NE 6 0 19 27 70.4 182 6.7 1 0 101.2
2015 NE 5 0 1 4 25 6 1.5 0 0 39.6
2016 NE 2 2 42 60 70.0 498 8.3 4 0 123.5
Total 12 1 62 91 68.1 686 7.5 5 0 108.6

Looks like he improved as a qb every yr like that

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by FL9er:
To bad he doesn't have contractual control of the 53 man roster.

I wouldn't be opposed to a trade for Garoppolo as long as the price was reasonable.

Ditto

But I feel NE will think they have us over a barrel and make the price very painful

That's why you have to set your own price on him -- like the Broncos did with Kaepernick.

The Niners need to decide by themselves what they're willing to give up, not what the Patriots tell them is necessary.

Truth!

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by okdkid:
I'm all for acquiring him. But if it takes more than our 3rd round pick (and possibly another next year) then somebody else can have him. I'd rather have the 3rd or 4th QB in this draft in the 2nd round than Garoppolo for the same pick.

We will never win a bidding war with the Browns, they are loaded with draft assets.

If your not willing to give up more than that then your not that interested in inquiring him.

I'm fine with giving a 2nd this yr and a conditional 2nd next yr...if the Browns want to give up 1st that's a different story.

Yes, me too.

But not our 1st

Unfortunately, the Browns could easily nab him with their second 1st round pick from the Eagles.

They'd be dancing in the streets at Foxboro

Originally posted by okdkid:
I realize a lot of people throw around the Alex Smith trade for comparison purposes.

But in reality -- Alex's value was far...FAR...more established than that of Garoppolo. Not only (at the time) did Alex have several years of starting experience under his belt, he also had playoff victories. Moreover, he was on a very manageable contract and would never get elite QB money given his history.

So this "let's offer two 2nd round picks" comparison is a little off. You're not trading the same asset. Jimmy G simply doesn't have the pedigree to substantiate that compensation.

That's why if somebody wants to make an Alex Smith-like trade for him...then I hope it's not us.

I agree but with Alex you also had a lot of bad on the resume as well and he was older(not much but older).

Plus my point was that's the max it should be, KC trading for Alex pretty much knew they'd have to give him a new deal in a year or two anyways so that contract wasn't that great.

Obviously I'd love to have him for a lower price but I think this is a sellers market and as long as we don't too crazy I'd like to see what it takes to get him here.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
What in Jimmy G's game do you dislike though? If he was in this draft he'd most likely be the top qb...he was a 2nd rd pick for a reason.

You can throw away the couple starts he's had and go look at his college film, he's brings a lot to the table in what you want a FQB to be.

I don't think anyone is gonna throw a 1st at him simply because you're gonna have to pay him...we have to look at upgrading the qb spot and this is one good way to attack it.

I have no issues with Jimmy but he wouldn't be a first round pick just due to his competition in college and he wasn't a sure thing so he wouldn't be the first pick in this class. However his experience working with Brady and Belichick and even the 1.5 games of starting are more than any of the guys available so he certainly is more proven than any of those guys.

But I still wouldn't use our first rounder on him because he will be getting some serious scratch.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Alex also had a ton of very bad seasons and some people could have assumed the reason he was playing well was based on the HC.

I'd be pumped to get him for a 2nd and a conditional 2nd in 2018

Myles Garrett+Garoppolo+WR would make me smile.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Myles Garrett+Garoppolo+WR would make me smile.

Would drop serious loads if we could walk away with Myles Garrett + Corey Davis then do a 3rd round pick this year + 3rd next year(which can be conditional up to a 2nd) for Garoppolo.

Sign Martelles Bennett at TE and Alshon Jeffrey in FA.

Sit back and fap.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Myles Garrett+Garoppolo+WR would make me smile.

Would drop serious loads if we could walk away with Myles Garrett + Corey Davis then do a 3rd round pick this year + 3rd next year(which can be conditional up to a 2nd) for Garoppolo.

Sign Martelles Bennett at TE and Alshon Jeffrey in FA.

Sit back and fap.

i like the way you think

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Myles Garrett+Garoppolo+WR would make me smile.

Would drop serious loads if we could walk away with Myles Garrett + Corey Davis then do a 3rd round pick this year + 3rd next year(which can be conditional up to a 2nd) for Garoppolo.

Sign Martelles Bennett at TE and Alshon Jeffrey in FA.

Sit back and fap.

Much more appropriate compensation. Like it.