Jimmy Garoppolo-QB-EIU

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
If the Niners ask and NE sets the price too high, then forget it. Besides QB, the Niners need a whole mess of players...I know getting a somewhat experienced QB is tempting. If the asking price is reasonable, make the trade. BL is we need a lot of good players...typically the way to get them is to trade down. I know many in this forum love Garrett, and to a degree, I get it. But, we need to beef up the DL for any pass rushers to be effective. If they can get both done, fine. When the interior of our defense gets solidified, it should elevate both Armstead's and Buckner's overall play.

This Dline needs an experienced NT and not a rookie that is going to need some seasoning. This needs to be a priority in F/A

If Garappolo is so good and Tom Brady having a couple years left in the tank why would the patriots trade him even for a first?

Originally posted by SheHateMe:
If Garappolo is so good and Tom Brady having a couple years left in the tank why would the patriots trade him even for a first?

They already traded away a couple of probowl players because of $$. I don't think they can afford two QB's making starting money, especially since Brady thinks he can play at this level for another 4-5 years.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Trading for Jimmy G would put us in the driver's seat for the draft. If our acquisition of Garoppolo scares Cleveland into going QB at #1, we get Garrett. If they pick Garrett, we get to trade down to a team desperate for the top QB in the draft. I think folks here are forgetting how lowly Goff and Wentz were regarded before the hype train started rolling after the season. Someone's gonna be worth a mess of picks.

This is all very true. Good points, sir!

This is nonsense. If the 49ers trade for Garopollo before the draft, that gives the Browns a better shot at landing Trubisky, Watson, and Kizer with their 2nd first round pick which is looking better and better. Goff was considered a top 5 pick well before the season ended.

They will have a preference. There are enough teams w/need at QB between 1 and 7 to cost them their guy, or even a shot at any of the 3, if it gets crazy. Any team can trade up, we've seen it happen from deep in the teens.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Trading for Jimmy G would put us in the driver's seat for the draft. If our acquisition of Garoppolo scares Cleveland into going QB at #1, we get Garrett. If they pick Garrett, we get to trade down to a team desperate for the top QB in the draft. I think folks here are forgetting how lowly Goff and Wentz were regarded before the hype train started rolling after the season. Someone's gonna be worth a mess of picks.

This is all very true. Good points, sir!

This is nonsense. If the 49ers trade for Garopollo before the draft, that gives the Browns a better shot at landing Trubisky, Watson, and Kizer with their 2nd first round pick which is looking better and better. Goff was considered a top 5 pick well before the season ended.

They will have a preference. There are enough teams w/need at QB between 1 and 7 to cost them their guy, or even a shot at any of the 3, if it gets crazy. Any team can trade up, we've seen it happen from deep in the teens.

Don't forget the Browns are in better position to trade for Garrapolo

Originally posted by SheHateMe:

If Garappolo is so good and Tom Brady having a couple years left in the tank why would the patriots trade him even for a first?

Because he's a FA after this yr and Tom Brady signed a extension at the beginning of the yr...so they'll do what they do all the time trade players for picks, they did the same thing with Collins and Chandler in the past yr.

It's either that or lose him in FA

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Trading for Jimmy G would put us in the driver's seat for the draft. If our acquisition of Garoppolo scares Cleveland into going QB at #1, we get Garrett. If they pick Garrett, we get to trade down to a team desperate for the top QB in the draft. I think folks here are forgetting how lowly Goff and Wentz were regarded before the hype train started rolling after the season. Someone's gonna be worth a mess of picks.

This is all very true. Good points, sir!

This is nonsense. If the 49ers trade for Garopollo before the draft, that gives the Browns a better shot at landing Trubisky, Watson, and Kizer with their 2nd first round pick which is looking better and better. Goff was considered a top 5 pick well before the season ended.

They will have a preference. There are enough teams w/need at QB between 1 and 7 to cost them their guy, or even a shot at any of the 3, if it gets crazy. Any team can trade up, we've seen it happen from deep in the teens.

If the Browns have a strong preference at QB, they could draft Garrett and still get their QB at 2 or 3 trading up from their next first round pick or they would take him at #1 regardless of whether we trade for Garopollo. My point wasn't that the Browns are definitely going to wait until 7 to pick a QB - it was that our taking Garopollo in advance of the draft doesn't make it more likely that the Browns pass on Garrett unless he's the guy for the Browns. If he is the guy for the Browns, we aren't going to beat them in a bidding war.

If the 49ers trade for Garopollo, the only other teams in the top 9 with needs at QB are the Browns and Jets. The Bears would probably go Trubisky in that scenario and I highly doubt the Jets draft a QB at 5 especially if Trubisky is their guy after drafting Hackenberg in the 2nd round last year. That leaves the Browns with their choice of Kizer or Watson at 9. The Cardinals are the only team that realistically would trade up (need a QB and are close enough to the top 8 to be willing to trade up).

If the Patriots choose not to trade Garopollo at all, it puts more pressure on the Browns to draft a QB because they'll be competing with one more team than they would be otherwise. The Browns are probably rooting for the 49ers or Bears to pull off a trade for Garopollo to give them another QB option at 7 (possibly even Trubisky).

The most I'd be willing to trade is two 2nd round picks. Any kind of a 1st, especially given where we're drafting, is not worth it. This guy could be great, but he could also be the next Matt Cassel.

The problem is we will not win a bidding war with Clv. They have better amo. 2 1sts, 2 2nds. Are we going to offer next year's entire draft? If they want Jimmy he's there's, if they want Mitch he's there's. We just have to hope they fall in love with a qb in the draft.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Then don't bother with Garoppolo.

Why?

One, because I don't want Garoppolo. Two, IMHO Mitch Trubisky, DeShone Kizer, and even Deshaun Watson are better LONG TERM prospects than Garoppolo. so I hope that if we do trade for Garoppolo (which I hope we don't) we approach him as a bridge QB to at least keep this team respectable. And three, I simply don't want Garoppolo. I see him as fool's gold. Backup QB's coming out of NE don't have a very good track record. These are QB's drafted for their system (not that that's a bad thing). Now, unless we're adopting NE's scheme Garoppolo isn't the guy for us to spend any significant cap space behind.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Why not? He's a young QB who has the potential to be a franchise starter, he's received good coaching and was a well regarded prospect coming out of college. If they could get Garrett in the 1st and trade a 2nd plus a conditional pick for Garoppolo I'd be down with it.

IMHO (because I have to qualify all unpopular positions with that. . . ..

See, that's what's at the heart of many's go-get-Garoppolo position. Some here are so blinded by their desire to get Garrett that they're willing to overpay for the Garoppolo fool's gold. And while I know that this team will have to overpay for a few players one of those players should not be on Garoppolo. I get it, Garrett is the sexy pick around here, but it isn't the smart move given that we have drastically more pressing needs at QB. I know, I know, actually picking at a position of need also isn't a popular position around here. It gets you shouted down pretty well. What this team needs is a long term solution at this position, and you don't get those in mid and late rounds at QB. By and large you get them in the first.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
One, because I don't want Garoppolo. Two, IMHO Mitch Trubisky, DeShone Kizer, and even Deshaun Watson are better LONG TERM prospects than Garoppolo. so I hope that if we do trade for Garoppolo (which I hope we don't) we approach him as a bridge QB to at least keep this team respectable. And three, I simply don't want Garoppolo. I see him as fool's gold. Backup QB's coming out of NE don't have a very good track record. These are QB's drafted for their system (no that that's a bad thing). Now, unless we're adopting NE's scheme Garoppolo isn't the guy for us to spend any significant cap space behind.

Why?

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
One, because I don't want Garoppolo. Two, IMHO Mitch Trubisky, DeShone Kizer, and even Deshaun Watson are better LONG TERM prospects than Garoppolo. so I hope that if we do trade for Garoppolo (which I hope we don't) we approach him as a bridge QB to at least keep this team respectable. And three, I simply don't want Garoppolo. I see him as fool's gold. Backup QB's coming out of NE don't have a very good track record. These are QB's drafted for their system (no that that's a bad thing). Now, unless we're adopting NE's scheme Garoppolo isn't the guy for us to spend any significant cap space behind.

Why?

See my edit to that post. If that doesn't answer your question then I don't know what to tell you.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Then don't bother with Garoppolo.

Why?

One, because I don't want Garoppolo. Two, IMHO Mitch Trubisky, DeShone Kizer, and even Deshaun Watson are better LONG TERM prospects than Garoppolo. so I hope that if we do trade for Garoppolo (which I hope we don't) we approach him as a bridge QB to at least keep this team respectable. And three, I simply don't want Garoppolo. I see him as fool's gold. Backup QB's coming out of NE don't have a very good track record. These are QB's drafted for their system (not that that's a bad thing). Now, unless we're adopting NE's scheme Garoppolo isn't the guy for us to spend any significant cap space behind.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Why not? He's a young QB who has the potential to be a franchise starter, he's received good coaching and was a well regarded prospect coming out of college. If they could get Garrett in the 1st and trade a 2nd plus a conditional pick for Garoppolo I'd be down with it.

IMHO (because I have to qualify all unpopular positions with that. . . ..

See, that's what's at the heart of many's go-get-Garoppolo position. Some here are so blinded by their desire to get Garrett that they're willing to overpay for the Garoppolo fool's gold. And while I know that this team will have to overpay for a few players one of those players should not be on Garoppolo. I get it, Garrett is the sexy pick around here, but it isn't the smart move given that we have drastically more pressing needs at QB. I know, I know, actually picking at a position of need also isn't a popular position around here. It gets you shouted down pretty well. What this team needs is a long term solution at this position, and you don't get those in mid and late rounds at QB. By and large you get them in the first.

What is "their system" exactly? Last I checked they run a spread offense for the most part which is exactly what Chip runs.

OLB is a really big position of need as well so the intrigue of grabbing Jimmy G. with a 2nd plus maybe a conditional pick is that we can kill 2 birds by getting a potential franchise QB with our second round pick and a difference making pass rusher with our 1st.

Osweiler 2.0?
Matt Flynn 2.0?
Matt Cassel 2.0?

Send this trade offer TAKE IT OR BYE BYE....5th round this yr a 2nd next yr and swap 2nd round picks this yr...