Jimmy Garoppolo-QB-EIU

Originally posted by midrdan:
Why not hire McDaniels and then, if McDaniels loves him, pull the trigger?

McDaniels also loved Matt Cassel and wanted him in Denver.

Originally posted by midrdan:

Why not hire McDaniels and then, if McDaniels loves him, pull the trigger?

McDaniels has been a hot prospect the last 2 years and declined. He's waiting for the right opportunity. I doubt that'll be us especially since we've had coaching vacancies the past 2 years and he couldn't give up a crap.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by strickac:

Originally posted by midrdan:
Why not hire McDaniels and then, if McDaniels loves him, pull the trigger?

I think this is a realistic option. NE is so successful because they run such an excellent scheme. Regardless of who is at QB, the offense works. McDaniels has a great grasp of what works in the NFL. He needs an experienced DC to handle the other side of the ball and I think we could have a quick turnaround.

Why would McDaniels risk his reputation to come here? He'd be a candidate for much better head coaching jobs.

His reputation? The reputation he has as a head coach along with being an OC outside of being at NE stinks.

And regarding your previous points I don't think you understand the value of draft picks in general. Giving up a high second round pick AND having to pay a salary that is potentially triple of what a draft pick would get is a lot of value. While you may think that Trubisky and Kizer may have more upside than Jimmy Garoppolo there is really no evidence of that being the case. The fact that Garoppolo has started games in the NFL, has won those games, and has looked like a potential franchise QB demonstrates to me that the upside is there.

Yet somehow Trubisky's one year of starting and Deshone's mediocre play, all while having to "give up" a top 2 pick is more enticing to you. Give me Jimmy Garoppolo for a second or Deshaun Watson maybe with a trade down instead.

I don't think you understand that coming here could potentially ruin McDaniel's career. Right now, he's one of the most attractive coaches on the market for head coach positions because he's done a good job in New England even though his track record as a head coach isn't good. He can and will wait for the right opportunity rather than jumping ship to coach one of the two worst teams in the league.

Garopollo was a late 2nd round pick with concerns about his size and arm strength. He's done well in 2 NFL starts. Somehow Trubisky's one year of starting isn't impressive to you, but Garopollo's 2 starts in an offense that has made a lot of mediocre QBs look good is? All 3 of these QBs are far better coming out of college than Garopollo was.

I'm not sure there's any evidence that Garoppolo has more upside than Kizer or Trubisky. Kizer and Trubisky are bigger, have better arms, are more athletic, and Trubisky may even be more accurate. Garoppolo learned one offense that many QBs have been successful in over 3 years and played well in 2 games. He's more of a proven commodity given he's played well in the NFL in limited action which is why I posted that in my opinion he has a higher floor than any of the draft candidates, but he does not have a higher ceiling than either Trubisky or Kizer (just a higher chance of reaching his ceiling). If he wasn't going to be a free agent in 2018 and eligible for the massive payday that every starting QB receives, he'd be worth a lot more.

I still think Garopollo is potentially worth a late first round pick to a team that is competitive right now and needs a starting QB (if there's another Bridgewater situation in the offseason). I'd trust him in 2017 more than any of the rookie QBs. But the 49ers are at the opposite end of that spectrum so I wouldn't give up much for him.

Just briefly about McDaniels because I don't want to make it about him in this thread nor am I advocating him, but in general I think it's the exact opposite. For a non-veteran head coach going into a situation where you have only 1 or 2 wins the previous season it is all upside for that coach. Particularly if we have cap space, draft capital, and the cupboard isn't entirely bare with the current personnel. The caveat is that our front office/owner has been a big deterrent but with front office changes bound to happen the situation should improve.

I don't quite understand your logic on the last point. You're basically saying he isn't a franchise type QB but you really have no basis to back it up other than "'I don't see the upside" or "he plays for the Patriots". And Garoppolo has not only started two games in the NFL. He has shown well in most if not all the NFL games he's played in and was a 3 1/2 year starter in college, and broke records which is a lot more than Trubisky can say. The size concerns you bring up must apply to Trubisky as well considering they are listed at the same height/weight.

Originally posted by Jcool:

McDaniels also loved Matt Cassel and wanted him in Denver.

Matt Cassel had receivers named Wes Walker and Randy Moss. Had Kevin Faulk and running the ball and had a solid O-Line. Who did Jimmy G have to throw the ball to?

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Jcool:
McDaniels also loved Matt Cassel and wanted him in Denver.

Matt Cassel had receivers named Wes Walker and Randy Moss. Had Kevin Faulk and running the ball and had a solid O-Line. Who did Jimmy G have to throw the ball to?

All of this.

I'd really like to hear from some of the experts here who watch college ball. How does Jimmy Garopoolo when he came out compare to the top 5 QBs in this year's draft? Reading the initial pages of this thread when he was draft, I've liked what I read, but I would like to hear it straight from posters who give a better assessment.

Again, based on the first several pages, there is a lot to like, even if there will be a substantial financial commitment to retaining him. There is always the option of taking a QB in the 1st or 2nd in 2018 also. If this is the move, I'd prefer we do it early, before the draft. That would increase the value of our 2nd overall pick since a quarterback would be available for another team to possibly take.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Jcool:

McDaniels also loved Matt Cassel and wanted him in Denver.

Matt Cassel had receivers named Wes Walker and Randy Moss. Had Kevin Faulk and running the ball and had a solid O-Line. Who did Jimmy G have to throw the ball to?

All of this.

I'd really like to hear from some of the experts here who watch college ball. How does Jimmy Garopoolo when he came out compare to the top 5 QBs in this year's draft? Reading the initial pages of this thread when he was draft, I've liked what I read, but I would like to hear it straight from posters who give a better assessment.

Again, based on the first several pages, there is a lot to like, even if there will be a substantial financial commitment to retaining him. There is always the option of taking a QB in the 1st or 2nd in 2018 also. If this is the move, I'd prefer we do it early, before the draft. That would increase the value of our 2nd overall pick since a quarterback would be available for another team to possibly take.

(2 chains voice) Trueeeeee.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Jcool:
McDaniels also loved Matt Cassel and wanted him in Denver.

Matt Cassel had receivers named Wes Walker and Randy Moss. Had Kevin Faulk and running the ball and had a solid O-Line. Who did Jimmy G have to throw the ball to?

All of this.

I'd really like to hear from some of the experts here who watch college ball. How does Jimmy Garopoolo when he came out compare to the top 5 QBs in this year's draft? Reading the initial pages of this thread when he was draft, I've liked what I read, but I would like to hear it straight from posters who give a better assessment.

Again, based on the first several pages, there is a lot to like, even if there will be a substantial financial commitment to retaining him. There is always the option of taking a QB in the 1st or 2nd in 2018 also. If this is the move, I'd prefer we do it early, before the draft. That would increase the value of our 2nd overall pick since a quarterback would be available for another team to possibly take.

(2 chains voice) Trueeeeee.

Agree with all of this. I'd be perfectly fine trading our 2nd round pick for Garoppolo.

Imagine walking into day 1 of the draft with our FQB already in hand and being able to grab Garrett or Allen at #2 or...

trading back with the Browns (assuming they take Garrett at #1) who are looking to jump Chicago and NYJ for a QB and walking away with their 8th pick, their 2nd, 3rd and next year's 1st? Browns end up with Garrett and their FQB and we'd be able to end up with our FQB, our #1 WR while now having an early 2nd round pick and two early 3rd round picks on Day 2

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Jcool:

McDaniels also loved Matt Cassel and wanted him in Denver.

Matt Cassel had receivers named Wes Walker and Randy Moss. Had Kevin Faulk and running the ball and had a solid O-Line. Who did Jimmy G have to throw the ball to?

All of this.

I'd really like to hear from some of the experts here who watch college ball. How does Jimmy Garopoolo when he came out compare to the top 5 QBs in this year's draft? Reading the initial pages of this thread when he was draft, I've liked what I read, but I would like to hear it straight from posters who give a better assessment.

Again, based on the first several pages, there is a lot to like, even if there will be a substantial financial commitment to retaining him. There is always the option of taking a QB in the 1st or 2nd in 2018 also. If this is the move, I'd prefer we do it early, before the draft. That would increase the value of our 2nd overall pick since a quarterback would be available for another team to possibly take.

(2 chains voice) Trueeeeee.

Agree with all of this. I'd be perfectly fine trading our 2nd round pick for Garoppolo.

Imagine walking into day 1 of the draft with our FQB already in hand and being able to grab Garrett or Allen at #2 or...

trading back with the Browns (assuming they take Garrett at #1) who are looking to jump Chicago and NYJ for a QB and walking away with their 8th pick, their 2nd, 3rd and next year's 1st? Browns end up with Garrett and their FQB and we'd be able to end up with our FQB, our #1 WR while now having an early 2nd round pick and two early 3rd round picks on Day 2

Yes! This is what I've been saying! Making this trade before the draft, they'll be in the driver seat. With Cousins likely returning to Washington, and Garoppolo ending up in SF in this scenario, Cleveland needs to go QB in round 1. Either they go QB at #1, freeing up the 49ers to draft Garrett or trade back if an offer is worth it, or they take Garrett at #1, leaving the 49ers in position to trade away the #1 QB in the draft. If no one wants to trade up for that chance (they will), the 49ers still are in the same position to take a defensive stud or the best WR in the draft.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Jcool:
McDaniels also loved Matt Cassel and wanted him in Denver.

Matt Cassel had receivers named Wes Walker and Randy Moss. Had Kevin Faulk and running the ball and had a solid O-Line. Who did Jimmy G have to throw the ball to?

All of this.

I'd really like to hear from some of the experts here who watch college ball. How does Jimmy Garopoolo when he came out compare to the top 5 QBs in this year's draft? Reading the initial pages of this thread when he was draft, I've liked what I read, but I would like to hear it straight from posters who give a better assessment.

Again, based on the first several pages, there is a lot to like, even if there will be a substantial financial commitment to retaining him. There is always the option of taking a QB in the 1st or 2nd in 2018 also. If this is the move, I'd prefer we do it early, before the draft. That would increase the value of our 2nd overall pick since a quarterback would be available for another team to possibly take.

(2 chains voice) Trueeeeee.

Agree with all of this. I'd be perfectly fine trading our 2nd round pick for Garoppolo.

Imagine walking into day 1 of the draft with our FQB already in hand and being able to grab Garrett or Allen at #2 or...

trading back with the Browns (assuming they take Garrett at #1) who are looking to jump Chicago and NYJ for a QB and walking away with their 8th pick, their 2nd, 3rd and next year's 1st? Browns end up with Garrett and their FQB and we'd be able to end up with our FQB, our #1 WR while now having an early 2nd round pick and two early 3rd round picks on Day 2

Yes! This is what I've been saying! Making this trade before the draft, they'll be in the driver seat. With Cousins likely returning to Washington, and Garoppolo ending up in SF in this scenario, Cleveland needs to go QB in round 1. Either they go QB at #1, freeing up the 49ers to draft Garrett or trade back if an offer is worth it, or they take Garrett at #1, leaving the 49ers in position to trade away the #1 QB in the draft. If no one wants to trade up for that chance (they will), the 49ers still are in the same position to take a defensive stud or the best WR in the draft.

Agreed. Trade scenarios are always wishy washy but like you said, if we were able to acquire Garoppolo with our 2nd round pick prior to the draft, we would be completely in the drivers seat to trade back with a QB needy team and move to #2 for a QB would be very, very lucrative .

Patriots activated Jacoby Brissett (thumb) from injured reserve.

The Pats made roster space for Brissett by cutting DL Woodrow Hamilton. Brissett was on the shelf for two months while recovering from thumb surgery. He'll serve as New England's third-string quarterback behind Tom Brady and Jimmy Garoppolo.


Source: Jeff Howe on Twitter

Yes, go after him because if the Browns get him they are for sure taking Garrett. If they dont get Garoppolo then they would really have to consider taking QB first with Bears and Jets before their next pick.

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:
Agree with all of this. I'd be perfectly fine trading our 2nd round pick for Garoppolo.

Imagine walking into day 1 of the draft with our FQB already in hand and being able to grab Garrett or Allen at #2 or...

trading back with the Browns (assuming they take Garrett at #1) who are looking to jump Chicago and NYJ for a QB and walking away with their 8th pick, their 2nd, 3rd and next year's 1st? Browns end up with Garrett and their FQB and we'd be able to end up with our FQB, our #1 WR while now having an early 2nd round pick and two early 3rd round picks on Day 2

Just curious. In this scenario why wouldn't the Browns just trade their second round pick for Garoppolo instead of 2 firsts, a second, and a third to draft a rookie?

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:
Patriots activated Jacoby Brissett (thumb) from injured reserve.

The Pats made roster space for Brissett by cutting DL Woodrow Hamilton. Brissett was on the shelf for two months while recovering from thumb surgery. He'll serve as New England's third-string quarterback behind Tom Brady and Jimmy Garoppolo.


Source: Jeff Howe on Twitter

Pats out fishing, ready to hook a sucker

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Pats out fishing, ready to hook a sucker

Cards got Chandler Jones for a late 2nd round pick.

Cleveland got Jamie Collins for a 3rd round comp pick.


Both have performed well for their respective teams.

Who are these suckers that the Patriots have been blatantly ripping off?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Pats out fishing, ready to hook a sucker

Cards got Chandler Jones for a late 2nd round pick.

Cleveland got Jamie Collins for a 3rd round comp pick.


Both have performed well for their respective teams.

Who are these suckers that the Patriots have been blatantly ripping off?

Rental players that ain't worth the money IMO pats did the right thing their module has been consistent