Jimmy Garoppolo-QB-EIU

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

I just can't see them trading Brady.

Right...Who's gonna take on that cap space? If they really didn't have long-term intentions why extend him in the off season

And teams that need a qb wouldn't be giving high picks AND paying for that salary (for a 40 yr old qb). NE gonna send him to the Browns lol? I don't think so.

Their gonna do what they've always done draft develop an trade away...it will be interesting if McDainels gets a HC gig and wants Jimmy G to come along.

What if the Rams hire McDaniels, and he trades for Garoppolo (3rds or 2nds)? Suddenly, the Rams don't need Goff anymore, and his struggles this year (though completely common for a rookie QB), make him no longer worth a 1st round pick in trade. We could essentially get the 2016 #1 overall pick for the same trade we'd consider for Garoppolo...

Not saying I'd do it, and I'd wanted to hear the HC's plan for clearing up his processing speed and accuracy under duress, but's interesting to think about...

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
What if the Rams hire McDaniels, and he trades for Garoppolo (3rds or 2nds)? Suddenly, the Rams don't need Goff anymore, and his struggles this year (though completely common for a rookie QB), make him no longer worth a 1st round pick in trade. We could essentially get the 2016 #1 overall pick for the same trade we'd consider for Garoppolo...

Not saying I'd do it, and I'd wanted to hear the HC's plan for clearing up his processing speed and accuracy under duress, but's interesting to think about...

Trading a #1 for a bust !

thats not a path to consider

Originally posted by mtl_49er:

If we're sure Garrett is gone, might as well give our #1 for Jimmy G. He's a better prospect than the qbs in the draft, by FAR

What the hell!? How is he a better prospect? He's more proven but that's not saying much. He would also cost a serious contract. Drafting a QB at 1/2 isn't cheap but is a bargain when compared to the QB contracts given out for young starting QBs coming off their rookie deals.

At WORST a first round swap+ Garoppolo should be the way to go and that's with the Pats probably throwing in their 2nd rounder or something else.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
What if the Rams hire McDaniels, and he trades for Garoppolo (3rds or 2nds)? Suddenly, the Rams don't need Goff anymore, and his struggles this year (though completely common for a rookie QB), make him no longer worth a 1st round pick in trade. We could essentially get the 2016 #1 overall pick for the same trade we'd consider for Garoppolo...

Not saying I'd do it, and I'd wanted to hear the HC's plan for clearing up his processing speed and accuracy under duress, but's interesting to think about...

Trading a #1 for a bust !

thats not a path to consider

WHO. THE. HELL. SAID. TRADE. A. #1??????

I said, consider trading the same value we'd look at giving for for Garoppolo which is somewhere around a 2nd and a conditional 3rd/2nd or a 3rd and a conditional 3rd/2nd for a guy who went #1 overall in 2016. Calling a Rookie QB a bust because he struggles is beyond foolish and impatient. Who are the best QBs in the NFL? How many of them are under 25? How many are under 30? Why do you think that is? Look at all of those QBs and their QB ratings as rookie, if they even played. Listening to the Shefters and Rappaports around the NFL, a lot of coaches and FO guys still think really highly of Goff, and the implication is that many think Fisher was a dope in developing Goff. Is that such a big surprise?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Trading a #1 for a bust !

thats not a path to consider

It's one thing to draft a kid that requires a lot of projection. It's another to trade (anything) to get him after he's showed zero NFL traits against NFL competition.

Why not trade for Jacoby Brissett? At least he made a few plays as a rookie and wouldn't cost as much.

The continued fascination with Jared Goff is really interesting. Not sure if it's the Cal thing, or the fact he played in an Air Raid. I think people just wanted him to be good that they're not judging him objectively. I don't mean that they have to write him off as a bust. But to think you'd want to trade for him and bank on him being your franchise after what you've seen this season... woof.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Trading a #1 for a bust !

thats not a path to consider

It's one thing to draft a kid that requires a lot of projection. It's another to trade (anything) to get him after he's showed zero NFL traits against NFL competition.

Why not trade for Jacoby Brissett? At least he made a few plays as a rookie and wouldn't cost as much.

The continued fascination with Jared Goff is really interesting. Not sure if it's the Cal thing, or the fact he played in an Air Raid. I think people just wanted him to be good that they're not judging him objectively. I don't mean that they have to write him off as a bust. But to think you'd want to trade for him and bank on him being your franchise after what you've seen this season... woof.

How do you think Dak Prescott and Carson Wentz would have looked in LA this year. A knock on Dak was that he played skittish in a muddy pocket. That hasn't come up much in Dallas, because he has the best OL and running game in football protecting him. For the record, I'd be thrilled to have Prescott, Wentz, or Goff to develop. It's not just a Goff thing. It's a "I really wish we had a young QB with NFL talents and skills to develop" thing. There's are legit reasons why Goff went #1 and Wentz went #2, and none of those reasons went away because they predictably struggled as rookies.

Most of the people here who wanted Goff said he shouldn't play a single regular season start as a rookie, because he'd be slowed down terribly while thinking through the offense, until he had time to get the pro offensive scheme down pat. That didn't happen, and he has very predictably looked lost and rushed on offense. If Fisher was less of a meathead and he was more inclined to ease his QB into the league, he would have incorporated more spread concepts into the offense to help him acclimate. Several people here really want Falk, but Falk was always looked at as a Goff Jr., boasting the same study habits, refined mechanical skills, and study habits, but not having the same arm, high ceiling, and overall athleticism as Goff. Shoot, everybody was ready to call Sam Bradford a horrible bust, but he put up good numbers in Philly and Minnesota, the two places where he didn't play for Jeff Fisher.

edit: taking a risk on Goff w/a pair of 3rds (or so) still seems safer to me than throwing #2 overall at this bunch of rookies coming out, or a 2nd/3rd at the guys who are left after the first 3 go in the first round. Matt Miller still says he'd take either Goff or Wentz over any of the guys coming out this year. Rookie QBs are never awesome. Some times they do their job pretty well, but their job is always limited, if their coaching is competent. When they seem awesome, you can usually look at how much the rest of the roster is helping them out.

NE seems to be preparing to trade JG. When they activated Brissett from IR just so he could a few weeks more practice that's a pretty good sign what their intentions.

If the Rams hire Josh we've already seen him try to bring in Cassel opposed to working with the previous coach's pick. I guess Goff could be available but would they trade him in division?

Originally posted by tjd808185:
NE seems to be preparing to trade JG. When they activated Brissett from IR just so he could a few weeks more practice that's a pretty good sign what their intentions.

If the Rams hire Josh we've already seen him try to bring in Cassel opposed to working with the previous coach's pick. I guess Goff could be available but would they trade him in division?

They'll trade him for value. They'll desperately need to try to recover some of what they gave up to get him, if they hope to build anything around Garoppolo, assuming they acquire him.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
NE seems to be preparing to trade JG. When they activated Brissett from IR just so he could a few weeks more practice that's a pretty good sign what their intentions.

If the Rams hire Josh we've already seen him try to bring in Cassel opposed to working with the previous coach's pick. I guess Goff could be available but would they trade him in division?

I agree. Brissett wouldn't be the next guy to go into a game this year, so his extra work must be geared toward next year. It's not definitive evidence that they are preparing to trade Garoppolo, but it's a pretty clear suggestion that they're going to trade someone.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
How do you think Dak Prescott and Carson Wentz would have looked in LA this year. A knock on Dak was that he played skittish in a muddy pocket. That hasn't come up much in Dallas, because he has the best OL and running game in football protecting him. For the record, I'd be thrilled to have Prescott, Wentz, or Goff to develop. It's not just a Goff thing. It's a "I really wish we had a young QB with NFL talents and skills to develop" thing. There's are legit reasons why Goff went #1 and Wentz went #2, and none of those reasons went away because they predictably struggled as rookies.

Most of the people here who wanted Goff said he shouldn't play a single regular season start as a rookie, because he'd be slowed down terribly while thinking through the offense, until he had time to get the pro offensive scheme down pat. That didn't happen, and he has very predictably looked lost and rushed on offense. If Fisher was less of a meathead and he was more inclined to ease his QB into the league, he would have incorporated more spread concepts into the offense to help him acclimate. Several people here really want Falk, but Falk was always looked at as a Goff Jr., boasting the same study habits, refined mechanical skills, and study habits, but not having the same arm, high ceiling, and overall athleticism as Goff. Shoot, everybody was ready to call Sam Bradford a horrible bust, but he put up good numbers in Philly and Minnesota, the two places where he didn't play for Jeff Fisher.

This sounds more like a rhetorical question that you've already decided on. I'll take it at face value.

I think Wentz and Dak would have done infinitely better in LA than Jared Goff. Yes, the talent in Dallas is better. No, the talent in Philly is not significantly better than LA. No, I don't think Jeff Fisher is the sole reason Goff looks like a 6th round rookie -- he is only part of the equation. Jared Goff looks like crap because Jared Goff can't play at the NFL level. One day he may. Today is not that day. That said, even when he becomes an NFL caliber QB -- it looks doubtful he will be "the franchise".

Jared Goff is not somebody I'd be willing to stake my franchise on. That was true last year, and that is even more true today. Frankly, there are many better options available to us. Garoppolo, Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Taylor -- literally anybody else.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
What if the Rams hire McDaniels, and he trades for Garoppolo (3rds or 2nds)? Suddenly, the Rams don't need Goff anymore, and his struggles this year (though completely common for a rookie QB), make him no longer worth a 1st round pick in trade. We could essentially get the 2016 #1 overall pick for the same trade we'd consider for Garoppolo...

Not saying I'd do it, and I'd wanted to hear the HC's plan for clearing up his processing speed and accuracy under duress, but's interesting to think about...

no way dude...Whomever is the gonna be the HC in LA will have to like Goff cause he's the future. Really don't know what kind of draft capital the Rams have left to get JG anyway.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
NE seems to be preparing to trade JG. When they activated Brissett from IR just so he could a few weeks more practice that's a pretty good sign what their intentions.

If the Rams hire Josh we've already seen him try to bring in Cassel opposed to working with the previous coach's pick. I guess Goff could be available but would they trade him in division?

What are the Rams giving up to get Jimmy G? does every forget they gave up a ton of picks to get the #1 draft pick? Whomever is the HC in LA has to be okay with Goff as the future...that will be requirement IMO. They still have the same GM for now.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
How do you think Dak Prescott and Carson Wentz would have looked in LA this year. A knock on Dak was that he played skittish in a muddy pocket. That hasn't come up much in Dallas, because he has the best OL and running game in football protecting him. For the record, I'd be thrilled to have Prescott, Wentz, or Goff to develop. It's not just a Goff thing. It's a "I really wish we had a young QB with NFL talents and skills to develop" thing. There's are legit reasons why Goff went #1 and Wentz went #2, and none of those reasons went away because they predictably struggled as rookies.

Most of the people here who wanted Goff said he shouldn't play a single regular season start as a rookie, because he'd be slowed down terribly while thinking through the offense, until he had time to get the pro offensive scheme down pat. That didn't happen, and he has very predictably looked lost and rushed on offense. If Fisher was less of a meathead and he was more inclined to ease his QB into the league, he would have incorporated more spread concepts into the offense to help him acclimate. Several people here really want Falk, but Falk was always looked at as a Goff Jr., boasting the same study habits, refined mechanical skills, and study habits, but not having the same arm, high ceiling, and overall athleticism as Goff. Shoot, everybody was ready to call Sam Bradford a horrible bust, but he put up good numbers in Philly and Minnesota, the two places where he didn't play for Jeff Fisher.

This sounds more like a rhetorical question that you've already decided on. I'll take it at face value.

I think Wentz and Dak would have done infinitely better in LA than Jared Goff. Yes, the talent in Dallas is better. No, the talent in Philly is not significantly better than LA. No, I don't think Jeff Fisher is the sole reason Goff looks like a 6th round rookie -- he is only part of the equation. Jared Goff looks like crap because Jared Goff can't play at the NFL level. One day he may. Today is not that day. That said, even when he becomes an NFL caliber QB -- it looks doubtful he will be "the franchise".

Jared Goff is not somebody I'd be willing to stake my franchise on. That was true last year, and that is even more true today. Frankly, there are many better options available to us. Garoppolo, Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Taylor -- literally anybody else.

Fair enough. I disagree, and it's pretty unlikely either of us will change the other's mind on this one, especially if you didn't even like Goff before the draft. "Infinitely better" seems like a gross exaggeration, especially since Wentz was struggling through the back end of the season and Dak leans heavily upon the Cowboys running game. What would "infinitely better" even look like, lol?

Anyway, I'll go my way, you go yours. Go Niners!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
NE seems to be preparing to trade JG. When they activated Brissett from IR just so he could a few weeks more practice that's a pretty good sign what their intentions.

If the Rams hire Josh we've already seen him try to bring in Cassel opposed to working with the previous coach's pick. I guess Goff could be available but would they trade him in division?

What are the Rams giving up to get Jimmy G? does every forget they gave up a ton of picks to get the #1 draft pick? Whomever is the HC in LA has to be okay with Goff as the future...that will be requirement IMO. They still have the same GM for now.

If they get a guy like McDaniels (he's the only guy I see trying to pull this sh!t), he could garner roster control from Snead. McD already dumped Jay Cutler from Denver, so using that control to jettison Goff wouldn't be that big of a stretch for him, lol. They could secure Jimmy with some day 2 capital, and the knowledge that BB has a record of cutting small discounts to familiars. They could also trade Goff for picks to help in trading for Garoppolo. Not saying any of this happens, as it hinges on A TON of huge "ifs," like: Rams hire McDaniels, McDaniels prefers Garoppolo to Goff, He has the authority to trade Goff, He can find value for Goff, Pats are willing to trade Garoppolo, Pats and Rams see eye-to-eye on value for Garoppolo, etc.

I just think it's a fun time of year to talk about this stuff. Shrine Game/Sr. Bowl coming soon, Combine to follow, then it's DEAD. Then FA starts, then it's DEAD. Gotta stay interested until the draft, LOL. Coming up with unlikely scenarios to ponder is one of my coping mechanisms.