Jimmy Garoppolo-QB-EIU

Originally posted by mtl_49er:
Just to clarify something, don't think we should give our first pick for Jimmy, however, he is far far better than any qb in this draft, ie if you're gonna blow the pick on a qb, you might as well get the best qb.

I'd prefer a non qb @#2 and then give our 2nd this year and 2nd (and 4th) next to get Jimmy.

But #2 for Jimmy > #2 for any other qb

Don't forget Garoppolo would also require a new contract which is no longer on the rookie wage scale and I'm sure his agents are using Brock Osweiler as the STARTING point.

Just to compare here is what Goff got last year at #1, i would imagine #2 QB salary would be similar this year

Signed a four-year deal worth $27.9 million over four years with a fifth year option, Rapoport reports, per a source informed of his deal. He gets a $18.6 million signing bonus.

You'd be lucky to get Garoppolo under $18.6 million per season let alone be the total guaranteed money on his deal.

1.5 games worth of starts = top 5 draft pick + huge deal?

I don't know. It's a tough pill to swallow. Sure 1.5 games is a lot more proven than any of the guys in the draft but you still have question marks if Jimmy goes to a team which doesn't run a similar system. We've seen super successful players go from one team to another and fall off the face of the earth playing wise because the systems are totally different and don't fit their strengths.

Originally posted by mtl_49er:
No way Jimmy goes for less than Alex Smith, just don't see that happening

What's your reasoning behind that? He just came off a NFC Championship season and was playing top end football...he was a starter in the league, was still very young, PLUS he just signed a 3 yr $24 million dollar deal which is chump change for a starter.

Jimmy G while I like a lot has what like two starts to his name? PLUS the team that's trading for him is gonna have to sign him to a major deal...that's why drafting a good QB is like gold, you don't have to pay $100+million for 4 to 5 yrs....that's one of the main reasons Seattle was able to resign on those defensive players cause Wilson was on a rookie deal for so long.

Maybe a team like the Browns throw the farm at NE but outside of that who's gonna drive up the price? NE isn't trading with the Jets and that leaves who? Us and the Bears

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by mtl_49er:
No way Jimmy goes for less than Alex Smith, just don't see that happening

And why do you think a guy with 1.5 career starts would require more compensation than a quarterback who was having a career year, completing 70% of his passes before he lost his job to injury?

don't forget we just resigned Smith to a cheap ass 3 yr $24 million dollar deal as well...$8 million a yr for a starter

Originally posted by mtl_49er:

Just to clarify something, don't think we should give our first pick for Jimmy, however, he is far far better than any qb in this draft, ie if you're gonna blow the pick on a qb, you might as well get the best qb.

I'd prefer a non qb @#2 and then give our 2nd this year and 2nd (and 4th) next to get Jimmy.

But #2 for Jimmy > #2 for any other qb

You also have to factor in how much Jimmy will get paid versus how much a rookie QB will be paid over the next 4-5 years.

Even if Jimmy is a better (or far better) QB right now, I don't expect him to be better than Trubisky or Kizer 3-4 years from now by the time our team is rebuilt. I couldn't care less how our QB performs next year because we aren't going to make the playoffs anyways (getting another high draft pick may help us). Garapollo is worth more to a team that has pieces in place already and needs an average starting QB right now to be a contender. The Patriots can hold onto him as insurance for Brady's inevitable decline and as trade bait if another contender loses its QB to injury. They can always franchise him in 2018.

If they accept our 2nd round pick for him with a 39 year old starting QB, they don't think he's worth holding onto until Brady retires which should be a red flag.

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.@AdamSchefter says discussions for Jimmy G in a trade start at a 1st & 4th round draft pick (the Sam Bradford return)

Originally posted by genus49:

Don't forget Garoppolo would also require a new contract which is no longer on the rookie wage scale and I'm sure his agents are using Brock Osweiler as the STARTING point.

Just to compare here is what Goff got last year at #1, i would imagine #2 QB salary would be similar this year

Signed a four-year deal worth $27.9 million over four years with a fifth year option, Rapoport reports, per a source informed of his deal. He gets a $18.6 million signing bonus.

You'd be lucky to get Garoppolo under $18.6 million per season let alone be the total guaranteed money on his deal.

1.5 games worth of starts = top 5 draft pick + huge deal?

I don't know. It's a tough pill to swallow. Sure 1.5 games is a lot more proven than any of the guys in the draft but you still have question marks if Jimmy goes to a team which doesn't run a similar system. We've seen super successful players go from one team to another and fall off the face of the earth playing wise because the systems are totally different and don't fit their strengths.

Good post - I know I don't want us to use our #2 pick on a guy who doesn't have a very high ceiling and give up $30-35 million of cap room (the difference between what Jimmy likely gets paid and a rookie gets paid over the next 4 years) so we can get a QB with a high floor who can start right away. That doesn't fit well with a rebuilding team at all.

This is silly and not gonna happen BUT never know...

http://www.ninersnation.com/2016/12/26/14082798/how-jimmy-garoppolo-becomes-a-49er

Trade for Jimmy G and if Myles is the #1 overall pick try and trade down with say the Jets who reportedly love Mitch. (IF not just take Myles and be pumped)

I'll swap 1sts and take their 2nd, 3rd and a 3rd next yr...and I don't think they'd hesitate to do that.

6th overall-BPA (I'd like Mike Williams)
2nd-traded for Jimmy G
2nd (from jets)- can package with a 3rd to move up for a pass rusher like Barnett,Williams,McKinley etc

I mean we can really set ourselves up to move around all over the place

not likely but it's fun to talk about.

Originally posted by Jcool:
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.@AdamSchefter says discussions for Jimmy G in a trade start at a 1st & 4th round draft pick (the Sam Bradford return)

well yeah it's sales 101 brah...never start low.

You think they'd started out with a 2nd for Jones and a 3rd comp for Collins? All the teams in real need for a QB are top 15 picks and no one is giving that up, especially after what happened with the Bradford trade.

Originally posted by Jcool:

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.@AdamSchefter says discussions for Jimmy G in a trade start at a 1st & 4th round draft pick (the Sam Bradford return)

The Eagles paid $11 million of Bradford's contract as part of the trade and still "only" got the 23rd pick in the first round.

If the Patriots are using that trade as a starting point, our 2nd round pick and the Browns' 2nd round pick are in play (even though I don't like that trade for us).

Our #2 pick is 3-4x as valuable as what the Eagles gave up for Bradford so there's no way the Patriots even think they could get that.

Asking for a 1st and 4th round pick suggests the Patriots are looking at trade partners picking late in the round which makes a lot of sense given much of Jimmy's value comes from his ability to start right away.

Originally posted by Jcool:

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.@AdamSchefter says discussions for Jimmy G in a trade start at a 1st & 4th round draft pick (the Sam Bradford return)

Sounds like wishful thinking. But if a team is willing to give up all that, they can have him.

Jimmy is a fraud

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Jcool:
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.@AdamSchefter says discussions for Jimmy G in a trade start at a 1st & 4th round draft pick (the Sam Bradford return)

well yeah it's sales 101 brah...never start low.

You think they'd started out with a 2nd for Jones and a 3rd comp for Collins? All the teams in real need for a QB are top 15 picks and no one is giving that up, especially after what happened with the Bradford trade.

If Cleveland likes Garoppolo and are in a bidding war with SF & Chicago. They can give the 2nd 1st round pick and still get either Allen or Garrett.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Jcool:
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Kirk and Callahan ‏@KirkAndCallahan
.@AdamSchefter says discussions for Jimmy G in a trade start at a 1st & 4th round draft pick (the Sam Bradford return)

well yeah it's sales 101 brah...never start low.

You think they'd started out with a 2nd for Jones and a 3rd comp for Collins? All the teams in real need for a QB are top 15 picks and no one is giving that up, especially after what happened with the Bradford trade.

If Cleveland likes Garoppolo and are in a bidding war with SF & Chicago. They can give the 2nd 1st round pick and still get either Allen or Garrett.

IF they really want to give a top 10 pick then good for NE! It would be the biggest fleecing in NFL history and while I don't think it will matter much they might ask if Jimmy G if he would rather play in SF or Cleveland.

I don't see the analytical group running things throwing out a top 10 pick AND spending top end money on a QB...but never know.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Jimmy is a fraud

I know he sucked all through college and sucked when he got a chance to play this yr

Originally posted by NYniner85:
IF they really want to give a top 10 pick then good for NE! It would be the biggest fleecing in NFL history and while I don't think it will matter much they might ask if Jimmy G if he would rather play in SF or Cleveland.

I don't see the analytical group running things throwing out a top 10 pick AND spending top end money on a QB...but never know.

If you think that then you must think he wont amount to much outside of NE. Which would mean a 2nd round pick should be to much for him.