Jimmy Garoppolo-QB-EIU

Originally posted by Tru2RedNGold25:
If we had a lower pick in the draft lets say mid 20's i would be all for it but a top 3 pick in the 1st N 4th NO THANKS!!!

I can easily see the Browns giving up one of their 1st round picks for his services meaning they will probably take Garrett with the 1st pick

The Patriots aren't asking for a 1st and 4th round pick from the 49ers...

They said the starting point of negotiations is what the Eagles got. That's equivalent to a 1st round pick in the 20s or a 2nd and 3rd round pick from a team like the 49ers or the Browns who are picking at the top of each round.

Everyone suggesting the Browns or 49ers are going to give up a top 10 pick are out of their minds. The Patriots aren't even asking for that much at the beginning of negotiations.

If he's good enough for Harbaugh then he is good enough for me. Give them our second rounder and next years 3rd that is a conditional second. That's gonna be basically two first rounders

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

The Patriots aren't asking for a 1st and 4th round pick from the 49ers...

They said the starting point of negotiations is what the Eagles got. That's equivalent to a 1st round pick in the 20s or a 2nd and 3rd round pick from a team like the 49ers or the Browns who are picking at the top of each round.

Everyone suggesting the Browns or 49ers are going to give up a top 10 pick are out of their minds. The Patriots aren't even asking for that much at the beginning of negotiations.

Agreed NE is just starting high nothing wrong with that.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
IF they really want to give a top 10 pick then good for NE! It would be the biggest fleecing in NFL history and while I don't think it will matter much they might ask if Jimmy G if he would rather play in SF or Cleveland.

I don't see the analytical group running things throwing out a top 10 pick AND spending top end money on a QB...but never know.

If you think that then you must think he wont amount to much outside of NE. Which would mean a 2nd round pick should be to much for him.

That's horrible logic. It's supply and demand. Top 10 picks are worth more than current players, because they offer unqualified possibility, aka: HOPE. Hope sells, and the NFL is a business first. Garoppolo hasn't proved enough in the NFL to pull a top 10 pick, and his previous draft position, right or wrong, hurts his trade value because of his limited experience. What he could or will be has little bearing on the argument of established value. A team could certainly draft a worse QB with a top 10 pick than they'd get if they traded for Garoppolo, but that's not where the value in a top 10 pick resides. The value in a top ten pick is the allure of possibility and the freedom of flexibility. Football fans are like Kindergarten students: they make choices and form opinions with their emotions, and they cling to their half-formed opinions stubbornly. Drafting one of the top QBs is more exciting than trading a 1st round pick for a QB that another team got at the end of the 2nd round. Again, that has no bearing on who is or will be the better player, only on what you can sell to the fans.

Originally posted by Jcool:

If you think that then you must think he wont amount to much outside of NE. Which would mean a 2nd round pick should be to much for him.

Such a dumb comment cause a top 10 pick is the same as a 2nd round pick...horrible logic my man.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

After winning 1 game how much stock do you think they'll have in those analytics?

I think those same analytics had them expecting to be horrible. They didnt let top free agents walk in the hopes of them being a playoff contender. They knew they were going to be really, really bad and that is why Hue will be back.

Originally posted by jimmy49erfan:

NE other back up looked much better imo. Jimmy G is meh.

lol no.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
This is silly and not gonna happen BUT never know...

http://www.ninersnation.com/2016/12/26/14082798/how-jimmy-garoppolo-becomes-a-49er

Trade for Jimmy G and if Myles is the #1 overall pick try and trade down with say the Jets who reportedly love Mitch. (IF not just take Myles and be pumped)

I'll swap 1sts and take their 2nd, 3rd and a 3rd next yr...and I don't think they'd hesitate to do that.

6th overall-BPA (I'd like Mike Williams)
2nd-traded for Jimmy G
2nd (from jets)- can package with a 3rd to move up for a pass rusher like Barnett,Williams,McKinley etc

I mean we can really set ourselves up to move around all over the place

not likely but it's fun to talk about.

I stopped reading when I got to the part when the writer thinks 1 x 3rd round pick and 1 x 2018 2nd round pick will get it done. No chance!!

Originally posted by Rascal:

I stopped reading when I got to the part when the writer thinks 1 x 3rd round pick and 1 x 2018 2nd round pick will get it done. No chance!!

I don't think they will get what the are currently asking for it should be somewhere in the middle.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 9moon:
DON'T try to get smart with Bill while dealing for Grappy.. Because he may just tell you guys to "GOOD LUCK WINNING WITH SUNSHINE AND GANZO"..

My response to that would be to put Grappy where the sun don't shine. Some of you act as if Garroppolo is a sure thing with ALL his game and a half experience. There's a chance Tru, Watson or Kizer is better in the NFL. Possibly all 3. Bottom line is the jury is still out on all, including Garappolo

of course there will always be THAT chance...

that's why this forum was created.. lets try and see what the best deal possible is..

if you're not liking what others are posting, feel free to post your idea..

PARTICIPATE BUDDY !! PARTICIPATE !!!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Jcool:
If you think that then you must think he wont amount to much outside of NE. Which would mean a 2nd round pick should be to much for him.

Such a dumb comment cause a top 10 pick is the same as a 2nd round pick...horrible logic my man.

I learn from the best!

FYI no one cares what was traded if the trades works out for you. Do you think GB is still upset they gave up a first round pick for Brett Favre? If Garoppolo becomes a top 5 QB are you going to be upset the 49ers gave up the #2 pick for him? I would hope not. You are only going to care if he comes here and doesn't live up to expectations (aka Rob Johnson was traded from Jax to Buffalo for the #9 pick & a 4th round pick). But guess what... 49ers fans are going to be pissed if Trubisky is the pick and ends up being a bust.

So if to you he isn't worth the #2 pick then why would he be worth it for #34? If the only way to get him is to give up the #2 pick (because chances are if Cleveland wants him that 2nd #1 pick will be involved) and you think he can lead the team for the next 10 years, you would say no because why? If you think the chances he busts don't make it worth it at #2 why is #32 okay? You can get a All-Pro player at the pick, so why risk one and not the other? Just because some value chart made 20 years ago says so?

So they want a 1st and a 4th for him. Sounds a little too much.

Originally posted by titan:

So they want a 1st and a 4th for him. Sounds a little too much.

Starting point of negotiations.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 9moon:

DON'T try to get smart with Bill while dealing for Grappy.. Because he may just tell you guys to "GOOD LUCK WINNING WITH SUNSHINE AND GANZO"..

My response to that would be to put Grappy where the sun don't shine. Some of you act as if Garroppolo is a sure thing with ALL his game and a half experience. There's a chance Tru, Watson or Kizer is better in the NFL. Possibly all 3. Bottom line is the jury is still out on all, including Garappolo

of course there will always be THAT chance...

that's why this forum was created.. lets try and see what the best deal possible is..

if you're not liking what others are posting, feel free to post your idea..

PARTICIPATE BUDDY !! PARTICIPATE !!!

I did/do, in this thread some pages back and in other threads since this isn't the only place Garappolo is brought up. I'd offer our 2nd, which is a very high 2nd and nothing more. It's more than what they paid for him and he hasn't proven much to me to warrant anything more. They don't like it, f**k them and I pick and groom my own. NE isn't in as great a spot as some think. Garappolo trade value won't get higher than it is this offseason, he's a free agent after next year and WILL hit free agency if Brady is still there. All teams know this. NE may have to settle for less than they would like or lose him in free agency for a 3rd comp. pick at best

Originally posted by Jcool:
I learn from the best!

FYI no one cares what was traded if the trades works out for you. Do you think GB is still upset they gave up a first round pick for Brett Favre? If Garoppolo becomes a top 5 QB are you going to be upset the 49ers gave up the #2 pick for him? I would hope not. You are only going to care if he comes here and doesn't live up to expectations (aka Rob Johnson was traded from Jax to Buffalo for the #9 pick & a 4th round pick). But guess what... 49ers fans are going to be pissed if Trubisky is the pick and ends up being a bust.

So if to you he isn't worth the #2 pick then why would he be worth it for #34? If the only way to get him is to give up the #2 pick (because chances are if Cleveland wants him that 2nd #1 pick will be involved) and you think he can lead the team for the next 10 years, you would say no because why? If you think the chances he busts don't make it worth it at #2 why is #32 okay? You can get a All-Pro player at the pick, so why risk one and not the other? Just because some value chart made 20 years ago says so?

lol burnnnnnn

There's risk and reward with all trades....Do I think he's a sure fire HOF QB lol? Nope, do I think he could be a fine starting QB (that would be better than any QB we'd select in the 2nd this yr) I do.... AND THAT"S MY POINT he's better IMO than any QB in the 2nd rd

Your logic on saying a top 10 pick is equal value to a 2nd rd pick is nonsense...the fact that you can get franchise type player (in the top 10) on a cheaper end deal for 5 yrs does factor into trading situations that involve a 1st rd pick. it's not just about the player but about finances and the option to STILL get a top 10 player PLUS a good young QB with that 2nd rd pick.

as far as the Farvre trade went Wolf became the GM and had Favre as his #1 overall player and did everything in his power to get him from ATL....if you like a prospect enough do what it takes to get him....I never said Jimmy G is Brett Favre I do think he could be a very good starter in the league though.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000470113/article/brett-favre-packers-trade-occurred-23-years-ago