Jimmy Garoppolo-QB-EIU

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by shmuck:

Man I was getting s**t on for saying the Pats would want a first. Suprise Suprise.

You said that they would get a first. What they want is known, what they get remains to be seen. The two are not one and the same.


In the end I think it will wind up being something more along the lines of a 2nd and future 2nd or 3rd rounder as compensation.

I said they would get a first or two seconds. It does remain to be seen but it's looking likely that that is what they'll get.

Originally posted by DJamhour:
I'm not impressed and wouldn't want to give more than a 2nd and maybe conditional pick next year if he hits certain marks. He would be in his contract year, and does nothing special. I like how he's always moving his feet and a quick release, and doesn't turn the ball over, but other than that, not much. About 40% of his throws are quick outs (off the line of scrimmage), screens and flare routes. About 50% of them are slants and wide open WRs that he stares down or a few times he's looked the other way as soon as a play starts for about half a second(even tho he looks like he predetermined which side he's going to). And the last 10% are some good plays, scrambles usually to buy time, overthrew a handful of deep plays in 2 games. I'm not sold on him being our franchise Qb , although he is definitely better than gabbert and Kaep.

I feel he's similiar to an Alex Smith, mostly short game but can make the throws to wide open players, and doesn't like forcing the ball

I guess playing at a high level in the nfl with only decent receivers doesnt prove anything to you, I dont know what would. Maybe 1 year of tape on trubs in COLLEGE would.

People who want trubs at 2 make 0 sense when saying Jimmy G is not worth a first.

Obviously more upside than Alex but I don't see him being that much better. Most of his throws 90% of the NFL Qbs should be making. His deep shots are never risky and tends to overthrow a couple a game but more than just a yard or 2. but paying the guy over 20m+ a year after this upcoming year, I'd rather have Taylor in FA and a draft pick for our future, whether it's Trubisky in 1st or Mahomes in the 2nd.

If we get him, I hope I'm wrong but I don't see him being more than an average to above average player.

Originally posted by Jcool:
no thanks

Kirk and Callahan ‏@KirkAndCallahan
.@AdamSchefter says discussions for Jimmy G in a trade start at a 1st & 4th round draft pick (the Sam Bradford return)

I hate that because one franchise does something stupid, it becomes the market for what is expected. I don't buy this, but if it were true, I'd love to see who would do this. Hopefully it will not be us.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
From everything I've seen of him in college and the NFL, preseason as well as his limited playing time, he's a much more aggressive passer. Whereas Alex always leaned towards the conservative side, Garoppolo tends to look for the killshot more often, he can dink and dunk it down the field, he can also attack vertically too.

Former Patriots assistant to the coach staff — and Oakland Raiders and Cleveland Browns general manager — Michael Lombardi did just that while discussing Jimmy Garoppolo, New England's starter until Brady returns from a four-game suspension, on The Ringer's "Bill Simmons Podcast". "I've been fortunate enough, I've watched practice for two years and took a lot of reps, I thought Jimmy Garoppolo is a really good player," Lombardi told Simmons, as generously transcribed by PatsPulpit.com's Rich Hill. "He does things really well and in the right scheme, in the right system, he can be really effective. He throws the ball vertically down the field better than (Brady) does. And he can make throws all over the field. He can move around. "And the players like him. You can see the team rallied around him. But that wasn't surprising because when Jimmy has lunch every single day, he's eating there with all the offensive linemen. He's a true quarterback in terms of his leadership skills are there. He's not aloof and he's not not around the team. He's involved and he's really taken to watching and observing and understanding the program and working on his skill set, even though he knew he was back-up to Tom."

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2016/09/ex-patriots-exec-jimmy-garoppolo-throws-vertical-better-than-tom-brady/

People might think its funny, but eating lunch and hanging out with the lineman is very important. Throws the deep ball better than Tom. Love it! All the guys love him, whens the last time we heard that from our team? Swapping first picks for this guy would be worth it. Id love to see a trade where its their first and second, and jimmy G for our first.. This way we can possibly get 3 starters and a QB.

If we got

Jimmy G

1. Cory Davis, John Ross, Derek Barnett, Charles Harriss
2. Id draft Pocic at Center. Kilgore is not that good and Cant last a full season. Bolster that line.
2.b. Jarrod Davis ILB.

Our team is instantly better if we come out like this

Originally posted by fan49:
I dont care how we get him.... Lets see our options, Trubs = 1 year of college. Not enough proof. Watson ehhhh. People say Kaep 2.0, cant read the d which if true will be fully exposed in the nfl. Not necessarily on college level.


Or someone who has proved they can play at a high level in the NFL. Has all the attributes you could want, and is young. The decision is obvious. Simplify it for yourself, because its that simple.

PS. Jimmy looked better than Cassel with no real wide receivers. He is by far the best option we have this offseason, and its not even close

While I agree with most of this we can not discount the salary cost of Jimmy. We will need to pay him like a franchise QB. We certainly have the cap space available but if the Front office feels the question marks on Jimmy are anywhere close to that of Mitch or Watson then we are just going to save the cash and pick up the rookie. That cap space can lead to two high priced free agents at other positions.

I like Jimmy, but I would really prefer if both Mitch and Watson can blow up their bowl/playoff games and the post season. If there are too many questions marks still there and the Pats will take a 2+, then go with Jimmy and pay the piper.

Originally posted by fan49:

I guess playing at a high level in the nfl with only decent receivers doesnt prove anything to you, I dont know what would. Maybe 1 year of tape on trubs in COLLEGE would.

People who want trubs at 2 make 0 sense when saying Jimmy G is not worth a first.

He's better than trubisky and everyone in the draft right now but they're coming here for 5 years cheaper than what Jimmy would be making for 2. I know we have cap space but let's use it wisely before we end up spending too much and not having enough to sign some free agents when we'll need them to compete. I can make alot of the throws he's made. Don't get me wrong, I think he can be pretty good, just not giving up a 1st + 4th for a guy that throws 90% slants, screens, flare routes and able to throw to a guy that's wide open. Most throws seemed Pre-determined. Just not confident In him. We're a long ways from being contenders and if they want a 2nd maybe with a comp pick next year, other than that we need a couple more years to build. I wouldn't be mad if we got him. I'm just saying, I don't see him being a game changer type qb but hope I'm wrong

Originally posted by fan49:
People might think its funny, but eating lunch and hanging out with the lineman is very important. Throws the deep ball better than Tom. Love it! All the guys love him, whens the last time we heard that from our team? Swapping first picks for this guy would be worth it. Id love to see a trade where its their first and second, and jimmy G for our first.. This way we can possibly get 3 starters and a QB

No, no it wouldn't. The difference between the 2nd pick in the first round and potentially the last pick is absolutely enormous. You're talking the value of a 1st rounder + 2 2nd rounders.


I'm all for the 49ers drafting Trubisky early if the Browns go Garrett but if the 49ers could get Garrett AND trade for Garoppolo, that would be outstanding.

What would the dropoff be from Jimmy G to Inspector Gadget neck Glennon in Tampa? He could be had without giving up any picks if we wanted to go the FA route. I know he hasn't basked in the rose scented flatulence of Bill and Tom for the last few years, but he is actually battle tested.

Hoody can take a 2nd round and mid round pick for Jimmy G and or he can take a hike with this asking price.

Originally posted by Chibamarines:
What would the dropoff be from Jimmy G to Inspector Gadget neck Glennon in Tampa? He could be had without giving up any picks if we wanted to go the FA route. I know he hasn't basked in the rose scented flatulence of Bill and Tom for the last few years, but he is actually battle tested.

Hoody can take a 2nd round and mid round pick for Jimmy G and or he can take a hike with this asking price.

Meh. Signing Glennon is pretty much saying "we really just need to make a move so the fans shut up and stop whining for a year or two." He's an average quarterback that will getting a hefty payday from someone, I hope its not the 49ers.

Originally posted by DJamhour:

I'm not impressed and wouldn't want to give more than a 2nd and maybe conditional pick next year if he hits certain marks. He would be in his contract year, and does nothing special. I like how he's always moving his feet and a quick release, and doesn't turn the ball over, but other than that, not much. About 40% of his throws are quick outs (off the line of scrimmage), screens and flare routes. About 50% of them are slants and wide open WRs that he stares down or a few times he's looked the other way as soon as a play starts for about half a second(even tho he looks like he predetermined which side he's going to). And the last 10% are some good plays, scrambles usually to buy time, overthrew a handful of deep plays in 2 games. I'm not sold on him being our franchise Qb , although he is definitely better than gabbert and Kaep.

I feel he's similiar to an Alex Smith, mostly short game but can make the throws to wide open players, and doesn't like forcing the ball

What in the world do you not like about these passes?

Accurate put the ball where you want the ball to go and lets his playmakers get RAC. I mean what kind of passing offense do yo I think chip runs? Dude would be prefect in a WCO.

No one is trying to label him a HOF but I think he's a young fine talent that had time to develop...we would have him cheap for a yr and can tag him for 2018 of we aren't sold. There's plenty of cash and it's not like we have a ton of FAs knocking on the door or some massive contract coming up for our own players.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

No, no it wouldn't. The difference between the 2nd pick in the first round and potentially the last pick is absolutely enormous. You're talking the value of a 1st rounder + 2 2nd rounders.


I'm all for the 49ers drafting Trubisky early if the Browns go Garrett but if the 49ers could get Garrett AND trade for Garoppolo, that would be outstanding.

What about a 4th rounder and 2018 1st round pick? Future 1st carry less value but it's a very big gamble.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Meh. Signing Glennon is pretty much saying "we really just need to make a move so the fans shut up and stop whining for a year or two." He's an average quarterback that will getting a hefty payday from someone, I hope its not the 49ers.

Fair enough and I agree, but Jimmy G is also a projection that will have to be paid, and will cost assets. If you're lucky you can get Garoppolo on something around the level of a top flight rookie instead of Osweiller price which would help the sting if he sucked. Either way I'm not in for trading the #2 pick for him.

Originally posted by Chibamarines:

What would the dropoff be from Jimmy G to Inspector Gadget neck Glennon in Tampa? He could be had without giving up any picks if we wanted to go the FA route. I know he hasn't basked in the rose scented flatulence of Bill and Tom for the last few years, but he is actually battle tested.

Hoody can take a 2nd round and mid round pick for Jimmy G and or he can take a hike with this asking price.

I can't stare at Glennon's ugly mug for 3-4 yrs...dude isn't accurate,is a statue (not like we have a Dallas OL), has a slow release, and his pocket presence is subpar.

Plus your paying him $13 million a yr.

He'd be a horrible fit for chip.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by fan49:
People might think its funny, but eating lunch and hanging out with the lineman is very important. Throws the deep ball better than Tom. Love it! All the guys love him, whens the last time we heard that from our team? Swapping first picks for this guy would be worth it. Id love to see a trade where its their first and second, and jimmy G for our first.. This way we can possibly get 3 starters and a QB

No, no it wouldn't. The difference between the 2nd pick in the first round and potentially the last pick is absolutely enormous. You're talking the value of a 1st rounder + 2 2nd rounders.


I'm all for the 49ers drafting Trubisky early if the Browns go Garrett but if the 49ers could get Garrett AND trade for Garoppolo, that would be outstanding.

so we give up the 2 spot for something in the 20's and Jimmy + a 2nd round pick not worth it? I disagree. He has proof right now hes better than trubs. I dont care about a salary.