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Jimmy Garoppolo-QB-EIU

  • fan49
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by fan49:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by fan49:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
i wonder what we could have gotten if we put Kaep on the trade block after the SB ?

Ah hindsight...I think Jimmy G will be a good qb liked him in the draft just think people need to pump the breaks on giving up the 2nd overall pick

im not saying do it. All though if thats what it takes to get the guy you want you do it. all im saying is Jimmy has more value at 2 then trubs. Money has nothing to do with it
Money and throwing away a pick for an unproven is very costly and has everything to do with it

so your saying same goes for trubs right? because whhat has he proven. Jimmy g has proven alot over college and small sample of nfl
the only thing that JG has proven is that he's a back up that started 2 games and only took 5 .5 qtrs of meaningful snaps

to say picking a back up is better then a draft pick weird. Why would anyone pick a QB in the draft then, if you can just trade for another teams back up
I don't know it worked with young. Who by the way was a supplemental draft pick
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Originally posted by HarbaughzDeep:
Don't see any realistic chance Garoppolo becomes a Niner. We all know there are egos involved and things don't happen in a vacuum in the NFL. That Super Bowl loss definelty has a spot in Kyle's mind. You know he wants to get back at Belichick big time. There is no way Shanahan takes his backup QB. He and Lunch are going to get their young QB at #2 overall. You don't pick up at this spot often. Cleveland will take either Garrett or a QB (maybe somebody trades in front of us to get a QB). We will probably have the chance of any QB of the draft class. Shanahan knows his s**t when it comes to QB's. Look let's get real. RG3 was a serious threat under him. Injuries obviously derailed his career. He was picked 2nd overall ironically but Washington gave up a ton to move up. We don't have to trade. Coming out, RG3 had the advantage in speed and rushing ability. Watson seems to have the edge significantly in accuracy, arm strength and leadership. Plus Watson was a National Champion. RG3 did win the Heisman although many would argue Watson deserved to win it at least once. These are very similar prospects coming out. I would also argue that Watson is significantly smarter in football terms compared to RG3. Not that it means anything but RG3 scored a 24 on the wonderlic (similar to Jamarcus Russell and Geno Smith). It will be interesting to see Watson's number. It is clear to me that Watson is the better prospect of the two as draft prospects.

Once it all rolls out, it will be obvious where Watson stands. He will be the top QB of the class.

I think the interesting thing was Watson declining an invite to the Senior Bowl even though he was eligible. I know a lot of it was probably not wanting to risk injury and to have some rest after the Championship. I also think it is clear that Watson doesn't want to play for the Cleveland Browns. As competitive as he is, I really think he didn't want to be around their staff. I mean think about it. If you wanted to go there wouldn't you want the valuable experience with their coaching staff so you could get ahead on possibly some of their terminology?

Watson is coming to the 49ers at #2 overall. Just need to get him some beef up front to protect him. Need at least two above average young FA signings for the OL unit.
I don't know taking his draft pick and winning the Superbowl especially against him would definitely be getting Revenge. More than just drafting a draft pick that's not worth a number two
Originally posted by fan49:
are those 3 qb's JIMMY G? then it does not apply. They all have different traits. and they are all different people. I guess all the traits he had in college mean nothing. Please name one qb that is worth a 2? Because I can't say trubisky has enough experience or tape to show hell even be close to JImmy. But know it will take a second to learn the offense. Bonus is he wont have to catch up to nfl speed. and he was already groomd, we will not have as good of a grooming situation for mitch as jimmy had

Wait
So a guy who has played 1 full NFL game is "caught up to NFL speed"?

He is not already groomed lol, he is an unproven project.

You missed my point entirely

They all have different traits, yet benefit from the circumstances I outlined in my post. If you truly believe Garp will do as well here as he did in the 1.3 games he played last season then I have some magic beans I want to sell you.
[ Edited by Quest4six on Feb 10, 2017 at 11:17 PM ]
You can't trade the #2 pick for Jimmy because we're 1 pick away from Garrett. What happens if we trade for Jimmy then Clv drafts Mitch? Somewhere Bill is laughing his a off at us. If we were at 4-5 I think you could consider a swap but not at 2 when you either land the best player or are in control for the top qb.
Originally posted by fan49:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by fan49:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by fan49:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
i wonder what we could have gotten if we put Kaep on the trade block after the SB ?

Ah hindsight...I think Jimmy G will be a good qb liked him in the draft just think people need to pump the breaks on giving up the 2nd overall pick

im not saying do it. All though if thats what it takes to get the guy you want you do it. all im saying is Jimmy has more value at 2 then trubs. Money has nothing to do with it
Money and throwing away a pick for an unproven is very costly and has everything to do with it

so your saying same goes for trubs right? because whhat has he proven. Jimmy g has proven alot over college and small sample of nfl
the only thing that JG has proven is that he's a back up that started 2 games and only took 5 .5 qtrs of meaningful snaps

to say picking a back up is better then a draft pick weird. Why would anyone pick a QB in the draft then, if you can just trade for another teams back up
I don't know it worked with young. Who by the way was a supplemental draft pick

Worked for young?, in no way is that related to what's going on now
I wouldn't mind trading our 2nd round pick for him but not our first
Originally posted by fan49:
I don't know it worked with young. Who by the way was a supplemental draft pick

Who they traded the 2nd and 4th for not the 2nd overall pick...did it work for kolb, Flynn, Cassel? I'm cool with trading for him but not giving away the farm.

Saying young was in the supplemental draft has zero to do with your argument. Young was also looked at a one of he best qbs in that draft but went with the money in the UFL
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I think Cleveland is going to end up with Garoppolo. They have that second first rounder than can use. The Patriots are going to ask for a 1st and I don't see the Niners giving up that #2 in a package for him.
[ Edited by mayo49 on Feb 11, 2017 at 6:13 AM ]
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Originally posted by mayo49:
I think Cleveland is going to end up with Garoppolo. They have that second first rounder than can use. The Patriots are going to ask for a 1st and I don't see the Niners giving up that #2 in a package for him.

Not necessarily. If Kyle thinks Garoppolo is more of a sure bet than Trubisky, I think they will pull the trigger with the 2 pick.

Also, the Bears may pull the 3 pick as well.
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Originally posted by Rascal:
Not necessarily. If Kyle thinks Garoppolo is more of a sure bet than Trubisky, I think they will pull the trigger with the 2 pick.

Also, the Bears may pull the 3 pick as well.

Yep.
I don't see the Browns, SF, or the Bears giving up their 1st round picks for him. Each of those 3 will likely try to build a package around their second round picks because they just won't outbid themselves on him.

Browns could easily be the favorite but they've gone full blown analytical which means they put a ton of value into their draft picks and won't have any interest in overpaying or getting into a major bidding war.

SF and the Bears will be the ones to watch and SF might have the edge because they have more ammunition to work with. But with SF Lynch and Shanahan know they are in a position where they can afford to be a little patient since this is just the beginning of the rebuild and they don't need to force the QB position just yet. Bears could be a little more pressed since seats are going to get hot there and it's a situation where they need to win sooner rather than later.
Originally posted by Jikkle49:
I don't see the Browns, SF, or the Bears giving up their 1st round picks for him. Each of those 3 will likely try to build a package around their second round picks because they just won't outbid themselves on him.

Browns could easily be the favorite but they've gone full blown analytical which means they put a ton of value into their draft picks and won't have any interest in overpaying or getting into a major bidding war.

SF and the Bears will be the ones to watch and SF might have the edge because they have more ammunition to work with. But with SF Lynch and Shanahan know they are in a position where they can afford to be a little patient since this is just the beginning of the rebuild and they don't need to force the QB position just yet. Bears could be a little more pressed since seats are going to get hot there and it's a situation where they need to win sooner rather than later.

I agree with most of this. But if someone told me Sam Bradford was worth a 1st pick I would have said "he'll no". Yes I know it's different situations but to get a potential franchise QB you can't be risk adverse.
Originally posted by Rascal:
Not necessarily. If Kyle thinks Garoppolo is more of a sure bet than Trubisky, I think they will pull the trigger with the 2 pick.

Also, the Bears may pull the 3 pick as well.

If we trade the second for Jimmy IMO it will be one of the worst trades in our history.
I don't get why everyone thinks we need a QB this year.
We need to use this second overall to get a player who has that level of talent. Not a 26 year old QB who has played 1 full game.
Honestly I'd rather have Landry Jones or Hoyer and somebody like Garrett or Allen then blow the highest draft pick we've had in years for an unproven QB
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Trading away the #2 pick is completely crazy. Garoppolo is nowhere close to a lock as a franchise QB. I'd love to have him. But not for that trade.

That #2 pick can easily become another 2nd round pick and an additional 1st next year with a very small trade down. It's just too valuable for such a high risk move. Would much rather use it on a rookie QB.
[ Edited by okdkid on Feb 11, 2017 at 11:19 AM ]
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Originally posted by okdkid:
Trading away the #2 pick is completely crazy. Garoppolo is nowhere close to a lock as a franchise QB. I'd love to have him. But not for that trade.

That #2 pick can easily become another 2nd round pick and an additional 1st next year with a very small trade down. It's just too valuable for such a high risk move. Would much rather use it on a rookie QB.

Tell Kyle it's crazy. Because according to him if you like the quarterback you go get him it doesn't matter the cost
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