Jimmy Garoppolo-QB-EIU

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Ben Volin of the Boston Globe believes the Patriots can expect a second-round pick in return for Jimmy
Garoppolo

With Tom Brady still at the height of his powers, the Patriots will be looking to trade Garoppolo as he enters the last year of his contract. Volin notes that Matt Cassel, Kevin Kolb, Matt Schaub were traded under similar circumstances and all fetched second-round picks. The Bears, Browns and 49ers have already been linked to Garoppolo and more teams could enter the fray as the offseason rolls on. It's hard to say where Garoppolo will land, but it looks like he's played his last down as a Patriot. Feb 12 - 9:29 AM

Unreal, I figured they'd clean up for Jimmy G. Drafted high, has played well, has several teams interested. I still think it will be at least two seconds.

I think it's gonna be Cleveland. They'll take Garrett #1, Dalvin Cook at 12, and give #33 and some other future pick for Jimmy G.

Originally posted by Quest4six:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
I like the talent hanging around 25-32 opposed to 2-10 this year. It's a sh draft for us and that's why I wouldn't mind a swap of picks with NE for Jimmy. If Garrett is off the board and we have to make a pick (a trade being available is not a guarantee) who do you take? There's a DT we don't need, some rb's we don't need, some secondary players we don't need, and the top receiver is nothing special. It's a crap draft for us past Garrett and maybe Mitch pending how you feel about him

I like pick #33 better than #2 this year.

I don't follow this at all lol
Also how do we not need secondary players?

We can't even be certain who our #1 corner is, and we don't need secondary help?

Honestly, it's gonna be a wide selection to choose from in the draft and free agency to rebuild the secondary. In no way would I waste the #2 pick or even a 1st round pick in general on a CB or Safety. I'm willing to bet that there will be good talent in rounds 3-5, shoot Rashard Robinson was drafted in the 4th. As for free agency, I would absolutely love it if John Lynch and went out and got the prize of the secondary market in Eric Berry. But even if he doesn't there's still gonna be a good variety to choose from.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Honestly, it's gonna be a wide selection to choose from in the draft and free agency to rebuild the secondary. In no way would I waste the #2 pick or even a 1st round pick in general on a CB or Safety. I'm willing to bet that there will be good talent in rounds 3-5, shoot Rashard Robinson was drafted in the 4th. As for free agency, I would absolutely love it if John Lynch and went out and got the prize of the secondary market in Eric Berry. But even if he doesn't there's still gonna be a good variety to choose from.

I agree with this^
I'm a huge Peppers fan so I wouldn't mind a trade back package for a high pick next year and a mid pick this year for him, I think he can be a special type of player.
But this whole undervaluing of the second overall pick is mind boggling to me

Originally posted by Quest4six:
I don't follow this at all lol
Also how do we not need secondary players?

We can't even be certain who our #1 corner is, and we don't need secondary help?

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Quest4six:

I don't follow this at all lol
Also how do we not need secondary players?

We can't even be certain who our #1 corner is, and we don't need secondary help?

Five CBs played 300+ coverage snaps last year and allowed a catch rate of 50% or less. T. Brock (50%) and R. Robinson (50%) were two. #49ers

— Jeff Deeney (@PFF_Jeff) February 12, 2017

Just saw that on twitter

Originally posted by 9erred:

If it sounds to good to be true, it usually is. There is no way Garropolo goes for only 1 second round pick. Mark my words, I will eat crow, but it will take at least a second and a third or a second in the following draft.

I doubt New England would go for this as they always value second round picks because of rookie wage scale, but I would love to swap first round picks for Garropolo. They get pick two, the niners get pick 32. We then get our QB and picks 32 and 34, a plus plus for a team that needs everything under the sun.

I like this deal. I think it would be very hard for the Pats to pass on the 2nd overall pick.

Originally posted by Homer:

Unreal, I figured they'd clean up for Jimmy G. Drafted high, has played well, has several teams interested. I still think it will be at least two seconds.

I think it's gonna be Cleveland. They'll take Garrett #1, Dalvin Cook at 12, and give #33 and some other future pick for Jimmy G.

OR we give our 34th pick and our 2nd next yr...I mean Jimmy G is also gonna have to agree to sign a long term deal, he might not want to in Cleveland

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Quest4six:

I don't follow this at all lol
Also how do we not need secondary players?

We can't even be certain who our #1 corner is, and we don't need secondary help?

Five CBs played 300+ coverage snaps last year and allowed a catch rate of 50% or less. T. Brock (50%) and R. Robinson (50%) were two. #49ers

— Jeff Deeney (@PFF_Jeff) February 12, 2017

Oh cool judging by this stat I guess we are set.
Let's forget the 22 passing TDs (2nd most in the NFL) we gave up last season

Originally posted by Quest4six:

I don't follow this at all lol
Also how do we not need secondary players?

We can't even be certain who our #1 corner is, and we don't need secondary help?

We could use a vet corner like we did with Harris or Rogers but to spend the #2 pick on one after Baalke's already spent years drafting the position . Just not worth it. Unless it's Charles Woodson how many corners get drafted at 2?

Let's say we trade for Jimmy and Clv goes Garrett. Who should we select? There's a reason everyone starts trading down from there.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:

Originally posted by 9erred:
If it sounds to good to be true, it usually is. There is no way Garropolo goes for only 1 second round pick. Mark my words, I will eat crow, but it will take at least a second and a third or a second in the following draft.

I doubt New England would go for this as they always value second round picks because of rookie wage scale, but I would love to swap first round picks for Garropolo. They get pick two, the niners get pick 32. We then get our QB and picks 32 and 34, a plus plus for a team that needs everything under the sun.

No, it will take 3-5 picks to get him, but they can be spread out, and later round picks. I think a 2nd, and 5th this year and a conditional next year. The Pats want to run up their Super Bowl scoreboard before Brady retires 2-3 years from now. SO they need a number of picks to reload for next season. I think a 3 pick package, would more attractive to them than the first of second overall pick.

Is this a joke? The 1st or 2nd overall pick is worth 3-4x as much as those 3 pick packages you proposed based on the trade value chart. They could trade down from #1 or #2 if they wanted to, end up with a mid-first round pick and several 2nd-3rd round picks instead of a 2nd and 5th round pick.

The first and second overall picks are worth way more than Garapollo is worth in a trade which is why there's discussion about a package of picks.

Also, your logic about the Patriots wanting a number of picks because they have a closing championship window doesn't make a lot of sense. They don't have a lot of needs and they can very easily attract free agents to fill those needs. They need 1-2 impact players in the draft who can help them right away rather than some 4th and 5th round picks to try to develop. Rebuilding teams (like us) can use more picks, because we have more spots to play rookies and more time to develop them than a team with a closing championship window.

True, you're correct, they could take the second overall and trade it for more than 2-3 picks, wasn't thinking, and don't have "value chart" I just feel the Pats want a volume of picks.

Originally posted by Quest4six:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Quest4six:
I don't follow this at all lol
Also how do we not need secondary players?

We can't even be certain who our #1 corner is, and we don't need secondary help?

Five CBs played 300+ coverage snaps last year and allowed a catch rate of 50% or less. T. Brock (50%) and R. Robinson (50%) were two. #49ers

— Jeff Deeney (@PFF_Jeff) February 12, 2017

Oh cool judging by this stat I guess we are set.
Let's forget the 22 passing TDs (2nd most in the NFL) we gave up last season

Originally posted by Jcool:

How in any way is this helping your argument.
Also how are you going to critique me for "not knowing" when you've posted a tweet and a stat sheet
Maybe give me your opinion instead of letting others do the talking for you?

Originally posted by Quest4six:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Quest4six:

I don't follow this at all lol
Also how do we not need secondary players?

We can't even be certain who our #1 corner is, and we don't need secondary help?

Five CBs played 300+ coverage snaps last year and allowed a catch rate of 50% or less. T. Brock (50%) and R. Robinson (50%) were two. #49ers

— Jeff Deeney (@PFF_Jeff) February 12, 2017

Oh cool judging by this stat I guess we are set.
Let's forget the 22 passing TDs (2nd most in the NFL) we gave up last season

Let's forget the great pass rush and great team we had too

Originally posted by Quest4six:

Originally posted by Jcool:

How in any way is this helping your argument.
Also how are you going to critique me for "not knowing" when you've posted a tweet and a stat sheet
Maybe give me your opinion instead of letting others do the talking for you?

What argument? I haven't made one. Why would i give an opinion on you posting fake stats when i can just post the actual numbers?

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Quest4six:
I don't follow this at all lol
Also how do we not need secondary players?

We can't even be certain who our #1 corner is, and we don't need secondary help?

Five CBs played 300+ coverage snaps last year and allowed a catch rate of 50% or less. T. Brock (50%) and R. Robinson (50%) were two. #49ers

— Jeff Deeney (@PFF_Jeff) February 12, 2017

Other teams were running all over us and those historic defensive rushing #'s might have something to do w/ that...