DB Dontae Johnson North Carolina State

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:
Still not sure why Acker got the starting spot over DJ.

Me either especially the way he and Cromarties dominated the Falcons game in press...just shut everything down and were excellent in run support IIRC.

That right there was it for me. The coaches seemed to act like it never happened the next few weeks.

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Johnson will be released after next year..

No one needed you to make this comment... you, me, errryone in here already knows that the new staff will release this dude come game day.

He'll be released all over the field and shall be our number one or two CB starting day one under Chip.

I am glad that you know this, I always thought you were high on some drug, but you speak truth this time. Thank You! #Cloud9

The guy made a couple of nice picks and even scored for being at the right place and at the right time and all you guys think he's up and coming star.. funny, the last time I saw a guy like that (in the Super Bowl) was Larry Brown..

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by thl408:

Still not sure why Acker got the starting spot over DJ.

we know why lol. coaching incompetence.

My guess is that Acker was performing better in practice but the reality is while that is a good measuring stick for playing time it shouldn't be the be all end all. Some players are just simply gamers. They have that natural ability to push their adrenaline on game day and raise their level of play and maybe Johnson is that guy. If those type of players did not exist then we would never see players like Tom Brady, Victor Cruz, etc... breakout.

Point is, when you see a guy out playing another guy on game day in more than just one week, its time to pull that trigger. I hope our new coaching staff isn't as thickheaded.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by thl408:

Still not sure why Acker got the starting spot over DJ.

we know why lol. coaching incompetence.

My guess is that Acker was performing better in practice but the reality is while that is a good measuring stick for playing time it shouldn't be the be all end all. Some players are just simply gamers. They have that natural ability to push their adrenaline on game day and raise their level of play and maybe Johnson is that guy. If those type of players did not exist then we would never see players like Tom Brady, Victor Cruz, etc... breakout.

Point is, when you see a guy out playing another guy on game day in more than just one week, its time to pull that trigger. I hope our new coaching staff isn't as thickheaded.

P.S. And no I'm not saying that Johnson is the next breakout player in the caliber of Tom Brady or Victor Cruz, just making a point. I got to protect myself from the zone sharks. If they see a small scratch they attack from all angles...

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by thl408:
Still not sure why Acker got the starting spot over DJ.

we know why lol. coaching incompetence.

My guess is that Acker was performing better in practice but the reality is while that is a good measuring stick for playing time it shouldn't be the be all end all. Some players are just simply gamers. They have that natural ability to push their adrenaline on game day and raise their level of play and maybe Johnson is that guy. If those type of players did not exist then we would never see players like Tom Brady, Victor Cruz, etc... breakout.

Point is, when you see a guy out playing another guy on game day in more than just one week, its time to pull that trigger. I hope our new coaching staff isn't as thickheaded.

I'm with you here. I think it was more scheme though...think d/t injuries, Mangini had to go with Cromartie so he also went with Dontae and they played press man. That's a matchup we won just like when Mangini put Donate on Calvin Johnson...that was a win too. But Mangini prefers to have Acker and Brock for his zone coverage schemes especially when we played quicker, faster, shiftier WR's. Given that Acker, Brock, Cromartie and Johnson were all splitting time at the end of the year was an interesting approach to give everyone a bone.

Originally posted by NCommand:

I'm with you here. I think it was more scheme though...think d/t injuries, Mangini had to go with Cromartie so he also went with Dontae and they played press man. That's a matchup we won just like when Mangini put Donate on Calvin Johnson...that was a win too. But Mangini prefers to have Acker and Brock for his zone coverage schemes especially when we played quicker, faster, shiftier WR's. Given that Acker, Brock, Cromartie and Johnson were all splitting time at the end of the year was an interesting approach to give everyone a bone.

This is also true. Because Johnson offers good size he is ideal for man coverage and Acker is more ideal for zone. If your gonna play zone then your corners have to be good tacklers and that's the one trait that Acker displayed consistently this season, that he was a solid tackler. Good post.

Acker was arguably our best corner this past season. My problem was continuing to start Brock instead of Johnson. I can't imagine a scenario where Brock is on the team next season with all the draft choices and cap space available to strengthen the defense.

Originally posted by NCommand:

I'm with you here. I think it was more scheme though...think d/t injuries, Mangini had to go with Cromartie so he also went with Dontae and they played press man. That's a matchup we won just like when Mangini put Donate on Calvin Johnson...that was a win too. But Mangini prefers to have Acker and Brock for his zone coverage schemes especially when we played quicker, faster, shiftier WR's. Given that Acker, Brock, Cromartie and Johnson were all splitting time at the end of the year was an interesting approach to give everyone a bone.

Good thing Mangini won't be here to misuse the talent on this roster any longer

Originally posted by thl408:
Still not sure why Acker got the starting spot over DJ.

Acker's a better CB. Johnson had difficulty sticking with shifty quick receivers. Acker is also a better run defender...sure tackler.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by NCommand:

I'm with you here. I think it was more scheme though...think d/t injuries, Mangini had to go with Cromartie so he also went with Dontae and they played press man. That's a matchup we won just like when Mangini put Donate on Calvin Johnson...that was a win too. But Mangini prefers to have Acker and Brock for his zone coverage schemes especially when we played quicker, faster, shiftier WR's. Given that Acker, Brock, Cromartie and Johnson were all splitting time at the end of the year was an interesting approach to give everyone a bone.

This is also true. Because Johnson offers good size he is ideal for man coverage and Acker is more ideal for zone. If your gonna play zone then your corners have to be good tacklers and that's the one trait that Acker displayed consistently this season, that he was a solid tackler. Good post.

Yeah good point about how Acker was probably a better fit for the zone schemes Mangini played. Acker is an aggressive tackler so that may have gotten him the starting spot. Now that JoN and his predominantly man coverage scheme is on board, I'm thinking DJ is going to have a great shot at earning more snaps.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm with you here. I think it was more scheme though...think d/t injuries, Mangini had to go with Cromartie so he also went with Dontae and they played press man. That's a matchup we won just like when Mangini put Donate on Calvin Johnson...that was a win too. But Mangini prefers to have Acker and Brock for his zone coverage schemes especially when we played quicker, faster, shiftier WR's. Given that Acker, Brock, Cromartie and Johnson were all splitting time at the end of the year was an interesting approach to give everyone a bone.

This is also true. Because Johnson offers good size he is ideal for man coverage and Acker is more ideal for zone. If your gonna play zone then your corners have to be good tacklers and that's the one trait that Acker displayed consistently this season, that he was a solid tackler. Good post.

Yeah good point about how Acker was probably a better fit for the zone schemes Mangini played. Acker is an aggressive tackler so that may have gotten him the starting spot. Now that JoN and his predominantly man coverage scheme is on board, I'm thinking DJ is going to have a great shot at earning more snaps.

While this could be true, man coverage requires the DB to stay with his guy. Acker demonstrated the agility to stick very well. Johnson is stronger, bigger and can play a more physical type game. Will be interesting to see what happens this year. I really like the DBs on this team and believe this is the strength of the defense...which is somewhat scary if the niners can't find an ellite pass rusher.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Still not sure why Acker got the starting spot over DJ.

Acker's a better CB. Johnson had difficulty sticking with shifty quick receivers. Acker is also a better run defender...sure tackler.

I agree Acker is a better CB for what Mangini wanted to do. But as far as overall skillset, I'd take DJ over Acker.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by thl408:
Still not sure why Acker got the starting spot over DJ.

Acker's a better CB. Johnson had difficulty sticking with shifty quick receivers. Acker is also a better run defender...sure tackler.

I agree Acker is a better CB for what Mangini wanted to do. But as far as overall skillset, I'd take DJ over Acker.

Mangini wanted to play every scheme ever concieved! LOL! So perhaps Acker is a smarter guy and had less difficulty learning the complex D. I like both of them and was shocked with Cromartie as well. Seems like the niners are three deep at all the DB positions (FS may be a stretch for a 3rd guy).

Edit: one reason Mangini may have liked Acker better is the lack of pass rush. Johnson is more physical and can bump, but if he has to stay with his guy for ten seconds...

And the Zone Godzillas just eat you whole. Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

P.S. And no I'm not saying that Johnson is the next breakout player in the caliber of Tom Brady or Victor Cruz, just making a point. I got to protect myself from the zone sharks. If they see a small scratch they attack from all angles...

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by thl408:
Still not sure why Acker got the starting spot over DJ.

Acker's a better CB. Johnson had difficulty sticking with shifty quick receivers. Acker is also a better run defender...sure tackler.

I agree Acker is a better CB for what Mangini wanted to do. But as far as overall skillset, I'd take DJ over Acker.

Mangini wanted to play every scheme ever concieved! LOL! So perhaps Acker is a smarter guy and had less difficulty learning the complex D. I like both of them and was shocked with Cromartie as well. Seems like the niners are three deep at all the DB positions (FS may be a stretch for a 3rd guy).

Edit: one reason Mangini may have liked Acker better is the lack of pass rush. Johnson is more physical and can bump, but if he has to stay with his guy for ten seconds...

There's actually one thing working against DJ if he's to play in JoN's scheme. DJ might excel in press man, but JoN will often line up his CBs with a cushion and play man coverage. This puts less of a focus on DJ's ability to press and more of a need to read a QB's dropback. This is actually something Brock was good at.