DB Dontae Johnson North Carolina State

too many excuses... just too many.. bottom line is that DJ did not show enough consitency in coverage and that's prolly why he couldn't get to the starting lineup.. we only saw little of him and maybe that's the reason why you all are thinking he's a better CB than the pair we are starting..

Being Baalke's puppet, Tomsula woulda used a much less experience in DJ over brock and allow him to gain the experience he needed if he were to start the following year, as well as using this as a leverage when the management ask Brock to take a pay cut..

but since DJ just isn't good enough, or impressive enough, ths will be his make or break year..

Originally posted by 9moon:
too many excuses... just too many.. bottom line is that DJ did not show enough consitency in coverage and that's prolly why he couldn't get to the starting lineup.. we only saw little of him and maybe that's the reason why you all are thinking he's a better CB than the pair we are starting..

Being Baalke's puppet, Tomsula woulda used a much less experience in DJ over brock and allow him to gain the experience he needed if he were to start the following year, as well as using this as a leverage when the management ask Brock to take a pay cut..

but since DJ just isn't good enough, or impressive enough, ths will be his make or break year..

but glenn dorsey has shown you something that makes you believe he is the next warren sapp? The bolded part doesnt make sense. brock was a tarted and all indication is he would have continued to start, plus dj looked awesome when he played last year and when he has played. Im not to sure what games you are/arent watching.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Still not sure why Acker got the starting spot over DJ.

Acker's a better CB. Johnson had difficulty sticking with shifty quick receivers. Acker is also a better run defender...sure tackler.

I agree Acker is a better CB for what Mangini wanted to do. But as far as overall skillset, I'd take DJ over Acker.

Mangini wanted to play every scheme ever concieved! LOL! So perhaps Acker is a smarter guy and had less difficulty learning the complex D. I like both of them and was shocked with Cromartie as well. Seems like the niners are three deep at all the DB positions (FS may be a stretch for a 3rd guy).

Edit: one reason Mangini may have liked Acker better is the lack of pass rush. Johnson is more physical and can bump, but if he has to stay with his guy for ten seconds...

There's actually one thing working against DJ if he's to play in JoN's scheme. DJ might excel in press man, but JoN will often line up his CBs with a cushion and play man coverage. This puts less of a focus on DJ's ability to press and more of a need to read a QB's dropback. This is actually something Brock was good at.

Great discussion.

But, get/build a pass rush and we all could play in the secondary for 2016!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by thl408:
Still not sure why Acker got the starting spot over DJ.

Acker's a better CB. Johnson had difficulty sticking with shifty quick receivers. Acker is also a better run defender...sure tackler.

I agree Acker is a better CB for what Mangini wanted to do. But as far as overall skillset, I'd take DJ over Acker.

Mangini wanted to play every scheme ever concieved! LOL! So perhaps Acker is a smarter guy and had less difficulty learning the complex D. I like both of them and was shocked with Cromartie as well. Seems like the niners are three deep at all the DB positions (FS may be a stretch for a 3rd guy).

Edit: one reason Mangini may have liked Acker better is the lack of pass rush. Johnson is more physical and can bump, but if he has to stay with his guy for ten seconds...

There's actually one thing working against DJ if he's to play in JoN's scheme. DJ might excel in press man, but JoN will often line up his CBs with a cushion and play man coverage. This puts less of a focus on DJ's ability to press and more of a need to read a QB's dropback. This is actually something Brock was good at.

Great discussion.

But, get/build a pass rush and we all could play in the secondary for 2016!

I like this guy. I dunno wtf happened to him last year. He must have been either nursing an injury or in the doghouse for whatever.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Still not sure why Acker got the starting spot over DJ.

Acker's a better CB. Johnson had difficulty sticking with shifty quick receivers. Acker is also a better run defender...sure tackler.

I agree Acker is a better CB for what Mangini wanted to do. But as far as overall skillset, I'd take DJ over Acker.

Mangini wanted to play every scheme ever concieved! LOL! So perhaps Acker is a smarter guy and had less difficulty learning the complex D. I like both of them and was shocked with Cromartie as well. Seems like the niners are three deep at all the DB positions (FS may be a stretch for a 3rd guy).

Edit: one reason Mangini may have liked Acker better is the lack of pass rush. Johnson is more physical and can bump, but if he has to stay with his guy for ten seconds...

There's actually one thing working against DJ if he's to play in JoN's scheme. DJ might excel in press man, but JoN will often line up his CBs with a cushion and play man coverage. This puts less of a focus on DJ's ability to press and more of a need to read a QB's dropback. This is actually something Brock was good at.

Great discussion.

But, get/build a pass rush and we all could play in the secondary for 2016!

While the cornerback competition will be fun to watch this summer, I may be even more intrigued with what transpires with the safeties. I can see the scenario of Bethea being cut and if he does who starts at strong safety? Ward or Tartt? Although I liked seing Wards improvement in the slot throughout the season, I really like him at the strong safety spot. His coverage and open field tackling ability is a major asset at the position.

Obviously he doesn't have the size to truck people over the middle like Tartt does so you lose some of that physicality. What do you guys think happens at the safety spot?

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by thl408:
Still not sure why Acker got the starting spot over DJ.

Acker's a better CB. Johnson had difficulty sticking with shifty quick receivers. Acker is also a better run defender...sure tackler.

I agree Acker is a better CB for what Mangini wanted to do. But as far as overall skillset, I'd take DJ over Acker.

Mangini wanted to play every scheme ever concieved! LOL! So perhaps Acker is a smarter guy and had less difficulty learning the complex D. I like both of them and was shocked with Cromartie as well. Seems like the niners are three deep at all the DB positions (FS may be a stretch for a 3rd guy).

Edit: one reason Mangini may have liked Acker better is the lack of pass rush. Johnson is more physical and can bump, but if he has to stay with his guy for ten seconds...

There's actually one thing working against DJ if he's to play in JoN's scheme. DJ might excel in press man, but JoN will often line up his CBs with a cushion and play man coverage. This puts less of a focus on DJ's ability to press and more of a need to read a QB's dropback. This is actually something Brock was good at.

Great discussion.

But, get/build a pass rush and we all could play in the secondary for 2016!

While the cornerback competition will be fun to watch this summer, I may be even more intrigued with what transpires with the safeties. I can see the scenario of Bethea being cut and if he does who starts at strong safety? Ward or Tartt? Although I liked seing Wards improvement in the slot throughout the season, I really like him at the strong safety spot. His coverage and open field tackling ability is a major asset at the position.

Obviously he doesn't have the size to truck people over the middle like Tartt does so you lose some of that physicality. What do you guys think happens at the safety spot?

Ward trucked the #$%^&* out of a Ram last game at SS (but I know what you mean).

It sounds like the S's will be a centerpiece to the secondary for O'Neil.

This is what I'd like to see with Bethea restructured as a key backup.

FS: Eric Reid; L.J. McCray
SS: Jimmie Ward; Antoine Bethea
ROBBER (ILB/SS): Jaquiski Tartt

That said, there are a lot of quality SS's out there that could be had for cheap. Charles Woodson was making the most at $4.2M and he retired. The next highest is half that in 2015. My guess is Bethea restructures and takes the backup role.

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by 9moon:
too many excuses... just too many.. bottom line is that DJ did not show enough consitency in coverage and that's prolly why he couldn't get to the starting lineup.. we only saw little of him and maybe that's the reason why you all are thinking he's a better CB than the pair we are starting..

Being Baalke's puppet, Tomsula woulda used a much less experience in DJ over brock and allow him to gain the experience he needed if he were to start the following year, as well as using this as a leverage when the management ask Brock to take a pay cut..

but since DJ just isn't good enough, or impressive enough, ths will be his make or break year..

but glenn dorsey has shown you something that makes you believe he is the next warren sapp? The bolded part doesnt make sense. brock was a tarted and all indication is he would have continued to start, plus dj looked awesome when he played last year and when he has played. Im not to sure what games you are/arent watching.

DJ looked awesome??? he did??

what game(s) are you talkin about that he looked awesome..

awesome.. 2 syllable words that may be too big for your little mind..

don't get confuse when a guy makes a play here or there and stamp him as an awesome player.. I'm sure you yourself had made some AWESOME plays back in your playing days in your front yard..

the only thing that stopping G-Dor for putting up Sapp-like numbers are injuries and the stupid 3-4 scheme that he's often under.. but once healthy, I will assure you that you and others here will be a believer..

Originally posted by 9moon:
too many excuses... just too many.. bottom line is that DJ did not show enough consitency in coverage and that's prolly why he couldn't get to the starting lineup.. we only saw little of him and maybe that's the reason why you all are thinking he's a better CB than the pair we are starting..

Being Baalke's puppet, Tomsula woulda used a much less experience in DJ over brock and allow him to gain the experience he needed if he were to start the following year, as well as using this as a leverage when the management ask Brock to take a pay cut..

but since DJ just isn't good enough, or impressive enough, ths will be his make or break year..

this is such a ridiculous comment. Now granted I don ot Like Baalke at all obviously but DJ is one of his better picks. In Fact to me My Opinion, Dontae Johnson is a Better Player then Jimmie Ward NO DOUBT in my mind.

.. and not to be sarcastic, or by any means would try and offend you @ Elephant.. but, how are you comparing DJ and JWard, when DJ didn't get that much playing time last year.. Ward (IMO) last year, began to open some eyes..

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
While the cornerback competition will be fun to watch this summer, I may be even more intrigued with what transpires with the safeties. I can see the scenario of Bethea being cut and if he does who starts at strong safety? Ward or Tartt? Although I liked seing Wards improvement in the slot throughout the season, I really like him at the strong safety spot. His coverage and open field tackling ability is a major asset at the position.

Obviously he doesn't have the size to truck people over the middle like Tartt does so you lose some of that physicality. What do you guys think happens at the safety spot?

No matter what DBs they use, even if they draft one in the first round, without a pass rush it will be a long year.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by 9moon:
too many excuses... just too many.. bottom line is that DJ did not show enough consitency in coverage and that's prolly why he couldn't get to the starting lineup.. we only saw little of him and maybe that's the reason why you all are thinking he's a better CB than the pair we are starting..

Being Baalke's puppet, Tomsula woulda used a much less experience in DJ over brock and allow him to gain the experience he needed if he were to start the following year, as well as using this as a leverage when the management ask Brock to take a pay cut..

but since DJ just isn't good enough, or impressive enough, ths will be his make or break year..

but glenn dorsey has shown you something that makes you believe he is the next warren sapp? The bolded part doesnt make sense. brock was a tarted and all indication is he would have continued to start, plus dj looked awesome when he played last year and when he has played. Im not to sure what games you are/arent watching.

DJ looked awesome??? he did??

what game(s) are you talkin about that he looked awesome..

awesome.. 2 syllable words that may be too big for your little mind..

don't get confuse when a guy makes a play here or there and stamp him as an awesome player.. I'm sure you yourself had made some AWESOME plays back in your playing days in your front yard..

the only thing that stopping G-Dor for putting up Sapp-like numbers are injuries and the stupid 3-4 scheme that he's often under.. but once healthy, I will assure you that you and others here will be a believer..

Atlanta game this year he was part of the reason julio jones got shut the f**k down that game AND made some fantastic plays. /conversation, you lose.

. checkmate.

lol rip dorsey who has never produced as a passrusher(doesnt even average a sack a season) yet dont even give a fourth round corner, on his rookie deal ,who has played well when given the chance a shot. potato gonna potato.

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:

Originally posted by 9moon:
too many excuses... just too many.. bottom line is that DJ did not show enough consitency in coverage and that's prolly why he couldn't get to the starting lineup.. we only saw little of him and maybe that's the reason why you all are thinking he's a better CB than the pair we are starting..

Being Baalke's puppet, Tomsula woulda used a much less experience in DJ over brock and allow him to gain the experience he needed if he were to start the following year, as well as using this as a leverage when the management ask Brock to take a pay cut..

but since DJ just isn't good enough, or impressive enough, ths will be his make or break year..

this is such a ridiculous comment. Now granted I don ot Like Baalke at all obviously but DJ is one of his better picks. In Fact to me My Opinion, Dontae Johnson is a Better Player then Jimmie Ward NO DOUBT in my mind.

This is AWESOME!

Elephant calling out Moon on "such a ridiculous comment."

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by 9moon:
too many excuses... just too many.. bottom line is that DJ did not show enough consitency in coverage and that's prolly why he couldn't get to the starting lineup.. we only saw little of him and maybe that's the reason why you all are thinking he's a better CB than the pair we are starting..

Being Baalke's puppet, Tomsula woulda used a much less experience in DJ over brock and allow him to gain the experience he needed if he were to start the following year, as well as using this as a leverage when the management ask Brock to take a pay cut..

but since DJ just isn't good enough, or impressive enough, ths will be his make or break year..

but glenn dorsey has shown you something that makes you believe he is the next warren sapp? The bolded part doesnt make sense. brock was a tarted and all indication is he would have continued to start, plus dj looked awesome when he played last year and when he has played. Im not to sure what games you are/arent watching.

DJ looked awesome??? he did??

what game(s) are you talkin about that he looked awesome..

awesome.. 2 syllable words that may be too big for your little mind..

don't get confuse when a guy makes a play here or there and stamp him as an awesome player.. I'm sure you yourself had made some AWESOME plays back in your playing days in your front yard..

the only thing that stopping G-Dor for putting up Sapp-like numbers are injuries and the stupid 3-4 scheme that he's often under.. but once healthy, I will assure you that you and others here will be a believer..

Atlanta game this year he was part of the reason julio jones got shut the f**k down that game AND made some fantastic plays. /conversation, you lose.

. checkmate.

lol rip dorsey who has never produced as a passrusher(doesnt even average a sack a season) yet dont even give a fourth round corner, on his rookie deal ,who has played well when given the chance a shot. potato gonna potato.

you're coming back to me with ONE game????

how was he part of the reason JULIO got shot down??

Good article on Dontae Johnson;

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2401595-assessing-whether-dontae-johnson-can-start-at-cornerback-for-the-49ers-in-2015

"According to Pro Football Focus, Johnson ranked at No. 51 among all corners in 2014 with a minus-1.7 grade, although that number was heavily influenced by his performance in the Week 17 game with theArizona Cardinals, for which he received a minus-5.0 grade after allowing six of the 10 balls thrown his way to be caught for 107 yards and two touchdowns.

While that game was particularly ugly, Johnson did have some extremely promising showings. He allowed just three catches from seven targets in the season opener at the Dallas Cowboys, whileRussell Wilson had a quarterback rating of just 48.8 when throwing at Johnson in the former Wolfpack defensive back's first pro start in Week 15, per PFF."

I was baffled that DJ was not a starter last year.