Tom Gamble, former Assistant GM

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by NCommand:

What does that have to do with our original conversation you butted in on?

They are still young starters with very low snap counts towards their careers save for Reid who's an above average S. We also had several ST contributors from that draft too. Shall we minimize those too?

1 bad draft did not hamper us and has nothing to do with our rebuild right now.

You can't actually believe not getting a difference maker like Alshon Jeffrey, Kawann Short or even Russell Wilson in 2012 isn't hampering this team right now. s**t, even three productive starters would have put this team in a different situation than it is right now.

Drafted one pro-bowler from 2012-2015 and it's not hampering this team? Give me a break.

Yes because Alshon, Kawann and Wilson are still carrying their teams from the 2012 NFL Hindsight Draft where these three went #1, #2 & #3 overall and lucky for us, we had the first three picks in the draft!

Life ain't Madden bro. 31 teams passed on those guys...several times.

Per usual you're totally missing the point. Even having ONE of those guys would have made a huge difference in the current state of this franchise. Blowing an entire draft and not getting one productive player out of it has a ton to do with why we're in this "rebuild." It's a cause and effect situation.

For example: Baalke f**ked up picking Jenkins over Jeffrey and hasn't solved the #1 WR problem since. You think that's just a coincidence? Had he got his franchise QB in Wilson that year do you think we're still deciding between Kap and Gabbert? The list goes on. What he did in 2012 has had a detrimental ripple effect on the current state of the team, it's not that difficult.

Nobody is denying he bombed that draft or that any player from then might help today; assuming they'd be the same player here under the exact same circumstances, albeit, unlikely. That said, unless Baalke drafted Tom Brady's clone, it still has no barring on the rebuild today. It would be just be one less need...of which all fans agree we just need a #1 WR, a hand picked QB by Kelly, another dynamic ILB and maybe another edge rusher. That's it. And we potentially have players playing right now that could erase a couple of those needs with nice seasons.

One WR, a QB like Driskel and an ILB and they are contenders?

Originally posted by eforbes12:

This, it adds insult to injury too that so many people mocked Jeffrey to us. It's not like it was a crazy idea that he'd end up with us. I think we can definitely blame Baalke for missing on the Jeffrey pick, given that we were definitely drafting the position in the first or second round.

I can't possibly blame him for Wilson. At the time, kaep was clearly the QB of the future, and i don't think it would have made any sense at the time.

With that said, anyone who watched Wilson extensively in college knew he was going to be a star. The guy was just as advanced at the QB position as Andrew luck, just 6 inches shorter.

Jeffery and Kelvin Benjamin. Damn you Panthers. Imagine Smith - Kerley - Benjamin right now.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

One WR, a QB like Driskel and an ILB and they are contenders?

Lol. Yes, that's clearly what I was implying.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

One WR, a QB like Driskel and an ILB and they are contenders?

Lol. Yes, that's clearly what I was implying.

It kinda sounded like it. They have a lot of holes to fill and as a draft and develop team they could have used a few more decent guys in the draft.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

One WR, a QB like Driskel and an ILB and they are contenders?

Lol. Yes, that's clearly what I was implying.

It kinda sounded like it. They have a lot of holes to fill and as a draft and develop team they could have used a few more decent guys in the draft.

What are all the holes other than what I just noted...from the team needs thread?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

One WR, a QB like Driskel and an ILB and they are contenders?

Lol. Yes, that's clearly what I was implying.

It kinda sounded like it. They have a lot of holes to fill and as a draft and develop team they could have used a few more decent guys in the draft.

What are all the holes other than what I just noted...from the team needs thread?

They were outscored by 150 points last year. They made a few additions and a positive coaching change but I think they will need upgrades at more than three positions.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
One WR, a QB like Driskel and an ILB and they are contenders?

Lol. Yes, that's clearly what I was implying.

It kinda sounded like it. They have a lot of holes to fill and as a draft and develop team they could have used a few more decent guys in the draft.

What are all the holes other than what I just noted...from the team needs thread?

They were outscored by 150 points last year. They made a few additions and a positive coaching change but I think they will need upgrades at more than three positions.

Cmon woo, you know that there's a road to the SB. you can't just instantly get there.

Enjoy this ride !

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

They were outscored by 150 points last year. They made a few additions and a positive coaching change but I think they will need upgrades at more than three positions.

Those were infants out there...college kids. Their very first NFL snaps underneath some extreme circumstances.

Let's give them a fair shake and see how they do this year.

Either way, not one fan is complaining about the OL, it's depth, versatility and talent. Same for the DL even without our top 5 NT. no issues with the talent or depth in the secondary, plus Bowman and some potential in Ray-Ray, Harold, Tank and Blair. We got to keep all 5 RBs. TE's remain a strength and all 4 RBs are excellent receivers and Hyde has legitimate top 5 talent.

We still need to evaluate the veteran WR group (late arriving) and QB.

Nobody is expecting a playoff run this early but you can see the foundation being built.

I don't see all the holes you're seeing. I do see a lot of natural question marks but also a lot of promise too.

I'd even go so far as saying we're ahead of schedule on this rebuild which I did not expect ending the 2015 season.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

One WR, a QB like Driskel and an ILB and they are contenders?

Lol. Yes, that's clearly what I was implying.

It kinda sounded like it. They have a lot of holes to fill and as a draft and develop team they could have used a few more decent guys in the draft.

What are all the holes other than what I just noted...from the team needs thread?

They were outscored by 150 points last year. They made a few additions and a positive coaching change but I think they will need upgrades at more than three positions.

Cmon woo, you know that there's a road to the SB. you can't just instantly get there.

Enjoy this ride !

I am enjoying it I just can't buy the three or four pieces away talk. Lets see who can prove they are a worthy starter for a decent team and go from there.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

They were outscored by 150 points last year. They made a few additions and a positive coaching change but I think they will need upgrades at more than three positions.

Those were infants out there...college kids. Their very first NFL snaps underneath some extreme circumstances.

Let's give them a fair shake and see how they do this year.

Either way, not one fan is complaining about the OL, it's depth, versatility and talent. Same for the DL even without our top 5 NT. no issues with the talent or depth in the secondary, plus Bowman and some potential in Ray-Ray, Harold, Tank and Blair. We got to keep all 5 RBs. TE's remain a strength and all 4 RBs are excellent receivers and Hyde has legitimate top 5 talent.

We still need to evaluate the veteran WR group (late arriving) and QB.

Nobody is expecting a playoff run this early but you can see the foundation being built.

I don't see all the holes you're seeing. I do see a lot of natural question marks but also a lot of promise too.

I'd even go so far as saying we're ahead of schedule on this rebuild which I did not expect ending the 2015 season.

I am not complaining about anything yet (OK, maybe the WR a little) but I have to see good play before I can determine if there is a foundation at any of those positions. Nobody knows how any of these units are going to perform yet.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

I am enjoying it I just can't buy the three or four pieces away talk. Lets see who can prove they are a worthy starter for a decent team and go from there.

Those are the missing pieces for quality starters (which most fans perceive we don't currently have) and QB is the most important, obviously.

Once you get your QB, #1 WR, stud ILB next to Bowman and maybe another edge rusher, we should be very competitive with the current group of players we have right now.

From there, the next step is identifying upgrades.

San Francisco wasn't built over night.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I am enjoying it I just can't buy the three or four pieces away talk. Lets see who can prove they are a worthy starter for a decent team and go from there.

Those are the missing pieces for quality starters (which most fans perceive we don't currently have) and QB is the most important, obviously.

Once you get your QB, #1 WR, stud ILB next to Bowman and maybe another edge rusher, we should be very competitive with the current group of players we have right now.

From there, the next step is identifying upgrades.

San Francisco wasn't built over night.

when finally we made some changes on the OL, our team was a little bit better. I think this OL we have now is a lot better then last years OL towards the end of the season

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

I am not complaining about anything yet (OK, maybe the WR a little) but I have to see good play before I can determine if there is a foundation at any of those positions. Nobody knows how any of these units are going to perform yet.

Which has been my personal stance since the start of this rebuild, hence the snap count proof, evidence of how long it takes to build, how others were built, what's the formula for sustained success, age, GM comparison proof, etc.

Right now it's all doom and gloom and this growing team hasn't taken a single snap under this coaching regime.

To your point, on paper, we look like we'll have a top 5 rushing attack. But until they do it, it's all hearsay.

Keep an open mind, stay objective and enjoy the ride.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

when finally we made some changes on the OL, our team was a little bit better. I think this OL we have now is a lot better then last years OL towards the end of the season

No question. If it meets expectations we'll finally be able to evaluate Gabbert and all the skill positions.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

I am not complaining about anything yet (OK, maybe the WR a little) but I have to see good play before I can determine if there is a foundation at any of those positions. Nobody knows how any of these units are going to perform yet.

Which has been my personal stance since the start of this rebuild, hence the snap count proof, evidence of how long it takes to build, how others were built, what's the formula for sustained success, age, GM comparison proof, etc.

Right now it's all doom and gloom and this growing team hasn't taken a single snap under this coaching regime.

To your point, on paper, we look like we'll have a top 5 rushing attack. But until they do it, it's all hearsay.

Keep an open mind, stay objective and enjoy the ride.

I don;t know about that, on paper we have 5 RB with one 100 yard rushing game between them for their careers.
I can see how it could be good and I am hopeful after seeing it in preseason but I wouldn't say it is great on paper because the stats don't back that up.

I don;t think I am being gloom and doom at all, I would say I am cautiously optimistic.