Tom Gamble, former Assistant GM

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

He has been part of on field coaching strategy:
Also, 49ers president Paraag Marathe will play a big role in Tomsula's transition to calling the shots from the sideline. Years ago, Marathe devised a game-management guide that includes such information as when to call timeouts while trailing late in a game and whether to kneel or run plays while protecting a lead. Marathe has constantly re-worked his formulas.
It is safe to say a team president is usually not involved in game-day game management. However, Marathe is no ordinary team president. He got his start on the analytics side, and has previous involvement in the coaches' booth. Jim Harbaugh did not want that, and so Harbaugh and his crew (eventually including Eric Mangini in 2013) handled that sort of thing. Harbaugh did have his game management chart, and it remains to be seen what Marathe's influence was on the game-day chart. Fooch's Note: Got some clarification that the chart was used by Harbaugh, Singletary and Nolan.

http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/1/23/7878921/paraag-marathe-49ers-game-management-jim-tomsula

Roster strategy/analytics:
Carl Bialik: Did you know the history of analytics in the NFL before you joined the league?

Paraag Marathe: I definitely did. When I came into the league in 2001, analytics was certainly more prevalent in baseball. It was just starting to become prevalent in basketball. The NFL was sort of the latest adopter. You see it a lot more now. Unlike baseball, where it's all around player evaluation, the NFL is more complicated. It's much more of a team sport, with much more covariance between positions. Is a running back's success due to his ability to break away, or his line's ability to run-block, or his quarterback's ability to pass, which makes the run easier?

But the NFL also has two other areas where analytics plays a big role. The first is game management: How you manage the clock, when to go on fourth down, the run/pass play selection, those sorts of things. The second is the salary cap. With the advent of the salary cap in 1994, and where I made my mark with the 49ers and the NFL, is managing the salary cap much more analytically, similar to how a portfolio manager would manage a stock portfolio, managing risk.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/nfl-teams-are-analyzing-everything-from-the-salary-cap-to-fan-loyalty/

First article has been debunked so many times it's not funny. The opinion FAN POST bs from ninernation is an opinion piece and not reported fact.

The second piece on analytics is what coaches have been talking about as trend but still are not personnel decisions. You can draw up analytics present them to coaches and coaches act. I need a fact piece from a credible source that says Paraag called plays and CONTINUES to do so which you won't find because that stuff is simply made up.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Are you denying that Marathe ever made a Field Mamnagement guide that coaches were given to use during games? Do you deny that he was in the coaches booth for multiple seasons to assist with clock management and challenges?
I thought these were accepted facts and I have seen no one deny them. Could you post something that debunks them?

Player analytics, that is a football operations role. It certainly isn't stadium operations or travel management.

When did I say Marathe called plays?

I'm denying this part of your argument:

Like Parcells and elway, Marathe's role in football operations is a football role. He has been part of the coaching searches, draft and FA player recommendations, on field coaching strategy and general roster strategy

The guides created were part of the 49ers overall analytics strategy and this implication that were the only team in the NFL that does this is not well informed point. These are not generally accepted facts and a fanpost based on a Kawakami article isn't proof. I'd say since you're saying that 1) football operations is the same for every team in the NFL (which it is not) and 2) Paraag held the same influence over the 49ers as bill parcels and John elway doesn't need an article - just read the thousands of posts about baalke.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

You just said the Field Management Guide didn't exist and was debunked. Now you are saying they do exist.
Are you saying that the Field Management Guide is not a football operations thing but part of the business operations?

Please quote my post where I said:

football operations is the same for every team in the NFL
Paraag held the same influence over the 49ers as bill parcels and John elway
Paraag calls plays

I didn't say any of those things but you absolutely said the following:

Woo still doesn't realize that "football operations" is not managing the players on the team. Look up the role with every other team in the NFL. This is reserved for the FINANCIAL/BUSINESS portion of the franchise's operations.

I looked up the role with a few other teams and found Elway and Parcells had that role with other teams.

I didn't say it didn't exist I said I don't believe the word of a source that was quoted to prove it.

Your exact quote was:

Like Parcells and elway, Marathe's role in football operations is a football role. He has been part of the coaching searches, draft and FA player recommendations, on field coaching strategy and general roster strategy

Again title vs role. Guido has the same title but different role. Check out the Browns and Bengals. Etc. Paraag is not like Parcells or Elway.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

You just said the Field Management Guide didn't exist and was debunked. Now you are saying they do exist.
Are you saying that the Field Management Guide is not a football operations thing but part of the business operations?

Please quote my post where I said:

football operations is the same for every team in the NFL
Paraag held the same influence over the 49ers as bill parcels and John elway
Paraag calls plays

I didn't say any of those things but you absolutely said the following:

Woo still doesn't realize that "football operations" is not managing the players on the team. Look up the role with every other team in the NFL. This is reserved for the FINANCIAL/BUSINESS portion of the franchise's operations.

I looked up the role with a few other teams and found Elway and Parcells had that role with other teams.

I didn't say it didn't exist I said I don't believe the word of a source that was quoted to prove it.

Your exact quote was:

Like Parcells and elway, Marathe's role in football operations is a football role. He has been part of the coaching searches, draft and FA player recommendations, on field coaching strategy and general roster strategy

Again title vs role. Guido has the same title but different role. Check out the Browns and Bengals. Etc. Paraag is not like Parcells or Elway.

Marathe has been a part of coaching searches, Marathe has been part of FA and draft analytics, Marathe has been part of in-game coaching strategy (Field Management Guide and his time in the booth).
Marathe's role is a football role...
Authoring Field Management Guides - Football Role
Analyzing FAs and Draft Prospects - Football Role
Football Operations Chief Strategist - Football Role

Al Guido has no title under Football Operations.

You're qualifying your answer; yes through analytics he has access but does he have the eval and decision making like Parcells or Elway? Absolutely not. The strategic guide again is about analytics not about crafting or helping to craft game plans. Resource vs decision maker. Big difference.

Originally posted by BuZzB05:

Are you sure? If Tom Gamble is good pro GM? He is talent to draft the pro players? Are u sure?

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

You just said the Field Management Guide didn't exist and was debunked. Now you are saying they do exist.
Are you saying that the Field Management Guide is not a football operations thing but part of the business operations?

Please quote my post where I said:

football operations is the same for every team in the NFL
Paraag held the same influence over the 49ers as bill parcels and John elway
Paraag calls plays

I didn't say any of those things but you absolutely said the following:

Woo still doesn't realize that "football operations" is not managing the players on the team. Look up the role with every other team in the NFL. This is reserved for the FINANCIAL/BUSINESS portion of the franchise's operations.

I looked up the role with a few other teams and found Elway and Parcells had that role with other teams.

I didn't say it didn't exist I said I don't believe the word of a source that was quoted to prove it.

Your exact quote was:

Like Parcells and elway, Marathe's role in football operations is a football role. He has been part of the coaching searches, draft and FA player recommendations, on field coaching strategy and general roster strategy

Again title vs role. Guido has the same title but different role. Check out the Browns and Bengals. Etc. Paraag is not like Parcells or Elway.

Marathe has been a part of coaching searches, Marathe has been part of FA and draft analytics, Marathe has been part of in-game coaching strategy (Field Management Guide and his time in the booth).
Marathe's role is a football role...
Authoring Field Management Guides - Football Role
Analyzing FAs and Draft Prospects - Football Role
Football Operations Chief Strategist - Football Role

Al Guido has no title under Football Operations.

You're qualifying your answer; yes through analytics he has access but does he have the eval and decision making like Parcells or Elway? Absolutely not. The strategic guide again is about analytics not about crafting or helping to craft game plans. Resource vs decision maker. Big difference.

He has his hands all over Football Operations in football roles, that has been my point and that has been what you have been disagreeing with.

Football ops as a resource but not like Parcells or Elway. So again analytics is bad because?

Originally posted by sacniner:

I love how a guy like Marathe is still used as a scapegoat LOL

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

What did I say was "bad"?
Come on man, read my posts and stop putting words into my mouth. I bnver said he called plays, I never said Baalke reportd to him, I never said he had the same influence as Elway and Parcells.
I said the following:
Paraag Marathe is the highest ranking person in Football Operations. He was taken out of the team president role but his football operations role was not diminished at all.

You replied:
Woo still doesn't realize that "football operations" is not managing the players on the team. Look up the role with every other team in the NFL. This is reserved for the FINANCIAL/BUSINESS portion of the franchise's operations.

Are you telling me player analytics, the Field Management Guide and football operations strategy are on the business side of operations and not a part of the football side of operations?

Again I'm not responding to the straw men just your statements. Marathe isn't the highest ranking person in your def of football operations - that would be Baalke. If your saying that marathe is like Parcells and Elway, both of whom are decision makers when it comes to personnel, then that comparison is simply factually incorrect. Full stop.

Originally posted by susweel:
KNBR the niner flagship talking heads are already laying groundwork for Gamble getting the GM job.

Originally posted by susweel:

KNBR the niner flagship talking heads are already laying groundwork for Gamble getting the GM job.