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Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by bzborow1:Two things I would add to this discussion: (1) Tom Gamble has been involved in the same drafts as Baalke; and, (2) sometimes change for the sake of change isn't the best option. I feel like Baalke and Gamble are pretty good talent evaluators with pluses and minuses. My thought is that Chip Kelly can be Baalke's lense into unearthing offensive talent.
So you think nothing should change?
Originally posted by bzborow1:
Two things I would add to this discussion: (1) Tom Gamble has been involved in the same drafts as Baalke; and, (2) sometimes change for the sake of change isn't the best option. I feel like Baalke and Gamble are pretty good talent evaluators with pluses and minuses. My thought is that Chip Kelly can be Baalke's lense into unearthing offensive talent.
Originally posted by English:
Please, new D coordinator. Minimum
Originally posted by NCommand:It's really more of a known vs. an unknown.
Anytime you bring in a new GM, you know nothing of his strengths and weakness and ability to navigate through and around the Yorks and Paraag.
Now, we can go right down the line and list strengths of each from Paraag, to Baalke, to Gamble to Kelly. So why not add in the missing elements to complete the strengths across the board?
If you want to start over, it could actually end up far worse with even more drama and internal strife. The grass isn't always greener on the other side, esp. in SF. So beware and be careful what you wish for.
All that said, Baalke is done here. This is more of a post on IF Jed/Paraag decide to keep him and what the nest steps should be made if we want to make this an optimal FO again.
Originally posted by English:Please, new D coordinator. Minimum
! Only way to get rid of dog piss in a house is to tear up the carpets lol.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
It's really more of a known vs. an unknown.
Anytime you bring in a new GM, you know nothing of his strengths and weakness and ability to navigate through and around the Yorks and Paraag.
Now, we can go right down the line and list strengths of each from Paraag, to Baalke, to Gamble to Kelly. So why not add in the missing elements to complete the strengths across the board?
If you want to start over, it could actually end up far worse with even more drama and internal strife. The grass isn't always greener on the other side, esp. in SF. So beware and be careful what you wish for.
All that said, Baalke is done here. This is more of a post on IF Jed/Paraag decide to keep him and what the nest steps should be made if we want to make this an optimal FO again.
Time out it can get worse? Currently tied for the worst record in franchise history and actually regressed from 2015 which I thought couldn't happen.
Outside of like 3 yrs this team has been abysmal for over a decade...running the course and hiring within has netted us as one of the laughing stocks of the NFL.
We do agree baalke's time is done...but continuing with the hiring within baloney IMO is gonna get us nowhere.
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:Agree
Clean sweep
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
It's really more of a known vs. an unknown.
Anytime you bring in a new GM, you know nothing of his strengths and weakness and ability to navigate through and around the Yorks and Paraag.
Now, we can go right down the line and list strengths of each from Paraag, to Baalke, to Gamble to Kelly. So why not add in the missing elements to complete the strengths across the board?
If you want to start over, it could actually end up far worse with even more drama and internal strife. The grass isn't always greener on the other side, esp. in SF. So beware and be careful what you wish for.
All that said, Baalke is done here. This is more of a post on IF Jed/Paraag decide to keep him and what the nest steps should be made if we want to make this an optimal FO again.
Time out it can get worse? Currently tied for the worst record in franchise history and actually regressed from 2015 which I thought couldn't happen.
Outside of like 3 yrs this team has been abysmal for over a decade...running the course and hiring within has netted us as one of the laughing stocks of the NFL.
We do agree baalke's time is done...but continuing with the hiring within baloney IMO is gonna get us nowhere.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by English:
Please, new D coordinator. Minimum
Fire everyone! Only way to get rid of dog piss in a house is to tear up the carpets lol.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by bzborow1:
Two things I would add to this discussion: (1) Tom Gamble has been involved in the same drafts as Baalke; and, (2) sometimes change for the sake of change isn't the best option. I feel like Baalke and Gamble are pretty good talent evaluators with pluses and minuses. My thought is that Chip Kelly can be Baalke's lense into unearthing offensive talent.
Agreed. If I'm the owner, I look at their first year as a collective group. Great draft. Not so much in FA. Instead of wiping everyone out and starting all over, I'm bringing in oversight and an added skill set to the mix to bring perfect balance. It doesn't matter what GM's are out there, they all have strengths and weaknesses and more often than not, it's on one side of the ball over another. Having an offensive coach like Jackson, Gase, Shanahan and Kelly can be that perfect balanced to a FO team that has a propensity for seeing defensive talent better. From there, the scouting staff start changing their criteria, Gamble starts working with them differently, the added GM oversees them, the President oversees all, etc. Call me the 5%er who believe we can build on this.
Originally posted by pickle:I do believe Baalke must go but Gamble can stay as GM. There needs someone above Gamble that can implement the culture of winning that is necessary. It can't be Jed nor anyone already in the building, but it can be someone from outside with a history of molding a winning franchise (Ernie Accorsi type) or from Niner's past history--Steve Young?
Originally posted by bzborow1:
I seem to be in the few who think Chip Kelly has actually done a pretty good job coaching the team season and deserves to stay. They are professionally run in a way Tomsula wasn't capable of last season. They handled the Kaepernick situation beautifully and with class. In my opinion, Chip Kelly should be given another opportunity to further develop his system in San Francisco next season unless some white knight kind of coach is brought in (Saban?).
Baalke is respected in NFL circles for a reason, but the results speak for themselves and his job is very much in flux right now.
The problem is if you axe Baalke then you have to give the new GM the option to dismiss Kelly as well. It all comes back to who would you replace them with? Mike Lombardi? Yikes.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by bzborow1:
I seem to be in the few who think Chip Kelly has actually done a pretty good job coaching the team season and deserves to stay. They are professionally run in a way Tomsula wasn't capable of last season. They handled the Kaepernick situation beautifully and with class. In my opinion, Chip Kelly should be given another opportunity to further develop his system in San Francisco next season unless some white knight kind of coach is brought in (Saban?).
Baalke is respected in NFL circles for a reason, but the results speak for themselves and his job is very much in flux right now.
The problem is if you axe Baalke then you have to give the new GM the option to dismiss Kelly as well. It all comes back to who would you replace them with? Mike Lombardi? Yikes.
Exactly. Kelly produced near identical overall numbers here in SF as Philly (projections) but had to go about it completely differently (b/c we didn't have the premier talent here that they had). That's coaching.
If I'm the owner, Kelly, like Gamble, Baalke, Paraag, etc. could all stay...with clear caveats and defined roles. O'Neil is out.
It's funny, for coaches, we have offensive and defensive game coordinators or running and passing game coordinators; we are starting to see more and more specialists added to FO's as well; some with odd titles. Remember when we hired a secret consultant to assist Greg Roman in his final year here? Baalke himself brought in Gamble for additional help.
The thing is, in the FO world of football, it is very very small; there are very few positions overall and even fewer qualified candidates. Baalke would be snatched up in 2 seconds for this very reason, no matter his track record.
So yes, my approach would counter the fan emotions and quick-hook during the START of a rebuild.
That said, sometimes in life, there are many right and wrong solutions to problems. If we go the "clean sweep" route, I just hope it ends up being one of the right solutions but count me crazy if I'm hesitant in trusting that process lead by potentially, the two men at the center of all our real issues.
