OL Jonathan Cooper

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Originally posted by steiber:
Has been terrible every team he has played for. Maybe they think he can be better in this system than in a power running system like the past?

He was pretty solid for Dallas last year and was having a good camp for New England and was projected to start before he got hurt.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by 49erInTheMidwest:

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but some solid stat comparison there

Pass block snaps were:
Tomlinson - 655
Cooper - 464

Pass block snaps per hurry/hit:
Tomlinson - 19
Cooper - 26

That's much more accurate.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by 49erInTheMidwest:

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but some solid stat comparison there

Pass block snaps were:
Tomlinson - 655
Cooper - 464

Pass block snaps per hurry/hit:
Tomlinson - 19
Cooper - 26

Any idea where Lombardi got those stats from? Also, if the QB holds on to the ball for too long, runs around the pocket and eventually gets pressured, does that count as a hurried snap? That would be unfair to the OLman. I've seen too many times a recent 49er QB that would hang on to the ball, incorrectly navigate the pocket, and hang his OLman out to dry.

Originally posted by thl408:
Any idea where Lombardi got those stats from? Also, if the QB holds on to the ball for too long, runs around the pocket and eventually gets pressured, does that count as a hurried snap? That would be unfair to the OLman. I've seen too many times a recent 49er QB that would hang on to the ball, incorrectly navigate the pocket, and hang his OLman out to dry.

thl - don't think we're supposed to talk about him here. there's a thread for that guy here: http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/free-agency/189018-kaepernick-might-get-job-2018/

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by 49erInTheMidwest:

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but some solid stat comparison there

Pass block snaps were:
Tomlinson - 655
Cooper - 464

Pass block snaps per hurry/hit:
Tomlinson - 19
Cooper - 26

Any idea where Lombardi got those stats from? Also, if the QB holds on to the ball for too long, runs around the pocket and eventually gets pressured, does that count as a hurried snap? That would be unfair to the OLman. I've seen too many times a recent 49er QB that would hang on to the ball, incorrectly navigate the pocket, and hang his OLman out to dry.

Probably got those numbers from PFF. If so, I believe they take the QB's actions into consideration.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Probably got those numbers from PFF. If so, I believe they take the QB's actions into consideration.

Okay. Just thought Lombardi would reference PFF if it came from there. Either way, encouraging stat for Cooper.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

I don't think you can rule that out. There is no player currently on the roster that is guaranteed a starting spot at guard.

Have either of the Shanahan's EVER drafted a guard in the 1st in the past 25 years of them being in football?

There is literally no chance we go guard in round 1.

My reply was in response to someone saying we wouldn't draft a guard in rounds one, two, or three. Not sure why you're going so hard on the 1st round thing. haha

That being said, you can't completely rule out anything based on past history.

Especially when it's only one years worth of history. I bet KS is already tired of hearing it too. It would suck to be that good in your own right at something but still stay in your father's shadow.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
He literally has been cut by Belicheck and Cleveland. Given up on by Arizona and Dallas. BUST

He may wind up a bust and be cut, however, the entire OL in NE was not good when he was there. Next season, IIRC, they brought Dante Scarnecia (sp) back and the entire OL improved a lot.

I don't remember him in AZ. Phoenix does.

It is all about the coaching with a guy like this. On past performance he will be competing for the back-up guard role. Too much is expected of OL coming out of college. Only the very top guys wind up starting the first season. Maybe that is the case with this guy or maybe he is gone by August 15.

They screwed up drafting him. He was never gonna be a good gap/power guy. It's like some jackass with a draft guide just picked the G on the top of the list because they needed one. I like that Kyle targets guys who have the dimensions/skills to do well at what he wants them to do, regardless of how successful they were at other tasks they were asked to do. Who knows how well he'll do here (I'm optimistic), but he was always going to suck in AZ, and he did decent in Dallas, even though they leaned increasingly toward gap/power toward the end of the season. He likely could have scored higher to end the season if they stuck with more OZ, but the rest of the offense was better at running power/counter/duo.

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:

Originally posted by steiber:
Has been terrible every team he has played for. Maybe they think he can be better in this system than in a power running system like the past?

He was pretty solid for Dallas last year and was having a good camp for New England and was projected to start before he got hurt.

was part of Dallas having the 2nd overall rushing offense.

Consistently blew Mitchell out of the hole last year, and Buckner was frequently stalemated last year when we played them. Wasn't the weak link on Dallas' OL either. Good Signing!, Now we can draft a OT or the future (I like the UCLA kid), and possibly still draft a C/G type capable of starting..Solidifies the interior of our OL.. Not to mention, he's better than what we had last year and currently.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Well there we have it, better in a zone blocking scheme where he can move. Played in the wrong scheme so let's see how he does in a system the suits him. That's what I like about Shanahan, he studies a player to make sure he fits

As I said. Ideal for a zone scheme.

He is ultra athletic and if Shanahan can make Brandon Fusco look like he belongs in the league he can do the same with Cooper.

LT- Joe Staley / Darrell Williams
LG- Jonathan Cooper / Zane Beadles
C- Weston Richburg / Erik Magnunsen
RG- Josh Garnett / Laken Tomlinson
RT- Trent Brown / Garry Gilliam

I like that group.

This guy will really make screens, tosses, and misdirection plays dangerous. We shall see...

Nice group, but even better if we get the UCLA kid at LT/RT, and draft a C/G type

Originally posted by thl408:

Any idea where Lombardi got those stats from? Also, if the QB holds on to the ball for too long, runs around the pocket and eventually gets pressured, does that count as a hurried snap? That would be unfair to the OLman. I've seen too many times a recent 49er QB that would hang on to the ball, incorrectly navigate the pocket, and hang his OLman out to dry.

I asked Jeff Deeney if he could break down the QB hits and pressures B.C. Garoppolo to see if those actually did decrease compared to Hoyer/BeatHard. I'll let you all know if he responds.

I'm not sure how they define a pressure...move the QB off the original spot?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:

Originally posted by steiber:
Has been terrible every team he has played for. Maybe they think he can be better in this system than in a power running system like the past?

He was pretty solid for Dallas last year and was having a good camp for New England and was projected to start before he got hurt.

was part of Dallas having the 2nd overall rushing offense.

Dat Part!!!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:
Any idea where Lombardi got those stats from? Also, if the QB holds on to the ball for too long, runs around the pocket and eventually gets pressured, does that count as a hurried snap? That would be unfair to the OLman. I've seen too many times a recent 49er QB that would hang on to the ball, incorrectly navigate the pocket, and hang his OLman out to dry.

I asked Jeff Deeney if he could break down the QB hits and pressures B.C. Garoppolo to see if those actually did decrease compared to Hoyer/BeatHard. I'll let you all know if he responds.

I'm not sure how they define a pressure...move the QB off the original spot?

Nice. If you get a chance, ask him if there's a threshold regarding time that allows the stat to qualify as a hurry/hit. IMO, depending on the drop of the QB, if he can sit comfortable in the pocket for over 4.0 seconds (or something like that), then the OL did their job. Any hit/hurry beyond 4 seconds from time of snap to being hurried is kind of on the QB (or WRs can't get open).