OL Jonathan Cooper

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Skills and athleticism are there but along with his injury issues, Cooper was repeatedly called out for playing soft.

He's more of a finesse type.

Damn that Bill Walsh and his finesse offense. I guess we'll see, but maybe he was miss cast and not asked to play to his strengths, and that now changes. In Kyle we trust.

I've been saying all along, imo, this off season is all about getting players that fit Kyle's offense, even if that isn't apparent talent upgrades on the conventional scale. Kyle is going to get players that will allow him to run his offense, instead of changing it to fit an RGIII or a Carlos Hyde. That's the goal. Let Kyle be Kyle, and show us what he can do without some schmuck telling him who to draft, trade for or play for the first time in his life.

Agree with both posts. I watched the DAL vs LAR game (2017) and no, Cooper can't handle ADonald - no surprise there. His best plays were when he was hunting down LBs at the second level in the run game. I agree with the scouting reports that say he's more finesse than power, although it was only one game. Lots of recent relevant film with Cooper to check out.
To BOI's point I really agree with the bolded. Perhaps Cooper's ability is totally equal in magnitude to Tomlinson's - average at best. But at least he fits what Kyle wants to do. For example, they both might be equal at pass pro, but Cooper's skillset in the run game (mobility) is a better scheme fit than Tomlinson's.

Originally posted by Heroism:
This is what I inferred as well: Garnett is available.

#49ers 3 Rd1 Guards on Roster... Jonathan Cooper, Laken Tomlinson & Joshua Garnett. Cooper signing tells me Garnett's VERY available in Trade. Other 49ers potentially available Eli Harold & Arik Armstead. Lynch-Shanahan churning their roster.

— Chad Forbes (@NFLDraftBites) March 20, 2018

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:
Any idea where Lombardi got those stats from? Also, if the QB holds on to the ball for too long, runs around the pocket and eventually gets pressured, does that count as a hurried snap? That would be unfair to the OLman. I've seen too many times a recent 49er QB that would hang on to the ball, incorrectly navigate the pocket, and hang his OLman out to dry.

I asked Jeff Deeney if he could break down the QB hits and pressures B.C. Garoppolo to see if those actually did decrease compared to Hoyer/BeatHard. I'll let you all know if he responds.

I'm not sure how they define a pressure...move the QB off the original spot?

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
I don't think you can rule that out. There is no player currently on the roster that is guaranteed a starting spot at guard.

Have either of the Shanahan's EVER drafted a guard in the 1st in the past 25 years of them being in football?

There is literally no chance we go guard in round 1.

How many years has little Shanny had control of the draft...1.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Any idea where Lombardi got those stats from? Also, if the QB holds on to the ball for too long, runs around the pocket and eventually gets pressured, does that count as a hurried snap? That would be unfair to the OLman. I've seen too many times a recent 49er QB that would hang on to the ball, incorrectly navigate the pocket, and hang his OLman out to dry.

I asked Jeff Deeney if he could break down the QB hits and pressures B.C. Garoppolo to see if those actually did decrease compared to Hoyer/BeatHard. I'll let you all know if he responds.

I'm not sure how they define a pressure...move the QB off the original spot?

Nice. If you get a chance, ask him if there's a threshold regarding time that allows the stat to qualify as a hurry/hit. IMO, depending on the drop of the QB, if he can sit comfortable in the pocket for over 4.0 seconds (or something like that), then the OL did their job. Any hit/hurry beyond 4 seconds from time of snap to being hurried is kind of on the QB (or WRs can't get open).

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

From what I have seen, PFF defines pressure as a hurry, hit, or sack.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:
Any idea where Lombardi got those stats from? Also, if the QB holds on to the ball for too long, runs around the pocket and eventually gets pressured, does that count as a hurried snap? That would be unfair to the OLman. I've seen too many times a recent 49er QB that would hang on to the ball, incorrectly navigate the pocket, and hang his OLman out to dry.

I asked Jeff Deeney if he could break down the QB hits and pressures B.C. Garoppolo to see if those actually did decrease compared to Hoyer/BeatHard. I'll let you all know if he responds.

I'm not sure how they define a pressure...move the QB off the original spot?

From what I have seen, PFF defines pressure as a hurry, hit, or sack.

Originally posted by jcs:

PFF when analyzing Olinemen don't take into account the scheme, play call, assignment or the protection from Zone to Man. They just have interns looking at film and marking individuals on what they see on the screen. PFF stats on Oline are garbage.

Originally posted by jcs:
PFF when analyzing Olinemen don't take into account the scheme, play call, assignment or the protection from Zone to Man. They just have interns looking at film and marking individuals on what they see on the screen. PFF stats on Oline are garbage.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by jcs:
PFF when analyzing Olinemen don't take into account the scheme, play call, assignment or the protection from Zone to Man. They just have interns looking at film and marking individuals on what they see on the screen. PFF stats on Oline are garbage.

Please point us in the direction of better oline stats.

Originally posted by jcs:
I trust football outsiders more than PFF. Problem with PFF is some of the stats they sell you are subjective and based more on opinion. Stats like QB hits are easy to figure out because you can mark the QB getting hit by so and so player. PFF on the other hand makes up methods that sometimes can't be honestly proven.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by jcs:
I trust football outsiders more than PFF. Problem with PFF is some of the stats they sell you are subjective and based more on opinion. Stats like QB hits are easy to figure out because you can mark the QB getting hit by so and so player. PFF on the other hand makes up methods that sometimes can't be honestly proven.

But FO doesn't give individual oline grades or stats.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by jcs:
I trust football outsiders more than PFF. Problem with PFF is some of the stats they sell you are subjective and based more on opinion. Stats like QB hits are easy to figure out because you can mark the QB getting hit by so and so player. PFF on the other hand makes up methods that sometimes can't be honestly proven.

But FO doesn't give individual oline grades or stats.

They give you numbers you can analyze like runs and yardage gained by specific locations on the Oline.