Arik Armstead

As great as he is and has been. I truly believe the best move for the 9ers is to tag and trade him.

What are some of the possibilities out there?

To Minnesota for Stefon Diggs: Diggs allegedly on the market and Minny apparently needs IDL help.

we'd get a proven deep threat that would pair nicely with Deebo without worrying if we can strike gold twice with another rookie.

To Detroit for Darius Slay: like Diggs, Slay too on the market. With DET needing IDL help.

We'd get a proven vet to pair opposite Sherm for atleast a couple years. Would allow us to focus on OL and WR in the draft.

To Cleveland for OBJ: CLE needs IDL help and old coach now CLE DC.

This one, im a bit iffy on. Love the talent hate the attitude. And if we only throw 13 times with him here..... but would obviously upgrade us on the field at WR.

If we were able to do the Minny deal..

Minnesota doesn't have the cap space to take on Armstead. With the rollover they probably have like $1.5 million which is no where near what they need to first take on the applied franchise tag.

Edit: I read Sportrac wrong.

I think a player for player trade like your saying could work but hopefully it's just that a straight swap with no picks involved to make it easier, then I'm pretty sure a deal would get done as long as the financials are good to go.

I agree. As much as I'd love to have him, I have to look big picture. We could sign every FA 49ers. D-Lineman we'd wanna keep, and still have enuff room to bring in another mid-level guy if we chose. It would make extending Buckner,(who has done it consistently great since he's been here, NOT just in his contract year like AA) a lot easier as well. We'd be missing 1 man from a D-Line that took us to the SB. So, a tag and trade wud be great, but wouldn't a franchise tag requiring (2) 1st. rounders(or equal compensation) be better?? Or is this not feasible?

In a dream scenario, franchise tag him for a (2) 1st. rders., and get a CB or WR and an IOL/RG . If this is possible, and feasible, i'd do it.

Originally posted by toppdogg32:

In a dream scenario, franchise tag him for a (2) 1st. rders., and get a CB or WR and an IOL/RG . If this is possible, and feasible, i'd do it.

If we got 2 first rounders, depending obviously with which team we traded with, but if one of those is high enough say 10, I would package it with our 31st to see if we could get Young at 2 and with our other First I would go either OL or WR. Just imagine having Young and Bosa back together again terrorizing the league with Ford giving both of them breaks when they need it. Pipe dream I know, but if it happens then the zone will

Originally posted by philgardis49:

If we got 2 first rounders, depending obviously with which team we traded with, but if one of those is high enough say 10, I would package it with our 31st to see if we could get Young at 2 and with our other First I would go either OL or WR. Just imagine having Young and Bosa back together again terrorizing the league with Ford giving both of them breaks when they need it. Pipe dream I know, but if it happens then the zone will

AA is not gonna get you anything near a top 15 pick, let alone 2 firsts. Also, pick 10 and pick 31 will not be enough to move up to pick 2.

I'm not offloading AA's contract just to pick up another. If we are fine with the cap space, you keep the position of more importance, and you maintain the strength of our team, the DL. The only point of tag and trading Armstead is to replace him with a rookie on a cheaper deal.

Franchise tag and keep him. We can keep him for 1 year.

Sign him and restructure some contracts. It can be done.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by philgardis49:

If we got 2 first rounders, depending obviously with which team we traded with, but if one of those is high enough say 10, I would package it with our 31st to see if we could get Young at 2 and with our other First I would go either OL or WR. Just imagine having Young and Bosa back together again terrorizing the league with Ford giving both of them breaks when they need it. Pipe dream I know, but if it happens then the zone will

AA is not gonna get you anything near a top 15 pick, let alone 2 firsts. Also, pick 10 and pick 31 will not be enough to move up to pick 2.

I'm not offloading AA's contract just to pick up another. If we are fine with the cap space, you keep the position of more importance, and you maintain the strength of our team, the DL. The only point of tag and trading Armstead is to replace him with a rookie on a cheaper deal.

Agreed. The trouble with some of these posts is that they are encouraging unreal expectations. Then, whatever the team does won't be right.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

AA is not gonna get you anything near a top 15 pick, let alone 2 firsts. Also, pick 10 and pick 31 will not be enough to move up to pick 2.

I'm not offloading AA's contract just to pick up another. If we are fine with the cap space, you keep the position of more importance, and you maintain the strength of our team, the DL. The only point of tag and trading Armstead is to replace him with a rookie on a cheaper deal.

But we will end up putting about 30 million between 2 DTs. Which happens to be the deepest position on our team.

Diggs contract is only about 10 per. Which will be atleast 3 mil per cheaper than Armstead.

Though i get wanting to replace with rookies and cheaper deal. Makes sense.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

AA is not gonna get you anything near a top 15 pick, let alone 2 firsts. Also, pick 10 and pick 31 will not be enough to move up to pick 2.

I'm not offloading AA's contract just to pick up another. If we are fine with the cap space, you keep the position of more importance, and you maintain the strength of our team, the DL. The only point of tag and trading Armstead is to replace him with a rookie on a cheaper deal.

But we will end up putting about 30 million between 2 DTs. Which happens to be the deepest position on our team.

Diggs contract is only about 10 per. Which will be atleast 3 mil per cheaper than Armstead.

Though i get wanting to replace with rookies and cheaper deal. Makes sense.

Kriz, it is just a matter of what HC/GM want to do. If they like watching their DL become the best in the league, then dropping $30 mil on 2 DTs is well worth it. If not, then...not. But my guess is that not only do they do that but they try and shore up the R DE , (Dee Ford) with a starter who is available all game every game. He may not be of the quality of Dee, but we all saw what Nick, Buck, Arik can do, and then what really can be done when there is a 4th stud DL(Dee) ...but who is healthy.

I think they keep Dee, with tendinitis and hammy, hope he gets better enough to play in top form most of the time, and also buy another FA who can help out when Dee is a no go at game time. And yes that IS a lot of money to spend on the DL, but it gets my vote. To paraphrase an old aphorism, you can teach talent on O, but you need to HAVE talent on D. And that is pretty much where we are.

Another possibility , of course , is that DJJones returns and can play up to level he did last yr prior to injury. Then both AA and nIck are our DEs and DJJ and Buck are our interior DTs. We almost skated in the SB at DE, but basically Dee was not up to par, and last half Solly and Zettel ended up playing most of the time...and it showed. Losing Dee for the season we weathered that storm. In the SB? We didnt.

Based on that we need another DE , a starter, who can start when Dee is laid up. Even with Arik, Buck, and Nick , without Dee, the DL just wasn't as successful...and that means Zettle and Solly aren't good enough to give us that "best in the league" DL. When Dee was healthy,, our DL just dictated the game. Without him, no.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Kriz, it is just a matter of what HC/GM want to do. If they like watching their DL become the best in the league, then dropping $30 mil on 2 DTs is well worth it. If not, then...not. But my guess is that not only do they do that but they try and shore up the R DE , (Dee Ford) with a starter who is available all game every game. He may not be of the quality of Dee, but we all saw what Nick, Buck, Arik can do, and then what really can be done when there is a 4th stud DL(Dee) ...but who is healthy.

I think they keep Dee, with tendinitis and hammy, hope he gets better enough to play in top form most of the time, and also buy another FA who can help out when Dee is a no go at game time. And yes that IS a lot of money to spend on the DL, but it gets my vote. To paraphrase an old aphorism, you can teach talent on O, but you need to HAVE talent on D. And that is pretty much where we are.

Another possibility , of course , is that DJJones returns and can play up to level he did last yr prior to injury. Then both AA and nIck are our DEs and DJJ and Buck are our interior DTs. We almost skated in the SB at DE, but basically Dee was not up to par, and last half Solly and Zettel ended up playing most of the time...and it showed. Losing Dee for the season we weathered that storm. In the SB? We didnt.

Based on that we need another DE , a starter, who can start when Dee is laid up. Even with Arik, Buck, and Nick , without Dee, the DL just wasn't as successful...and that means Zettle and Solly aren't good enough to give us that "best in the league" DL. When Dee was healthy,, our DL just dictated the game. Without him, no.

I think a healthy rotation of Dee, Blair, and AA at 5T can easily get the job done. Let DJ Jones and AA share inside responsibilities as well.

Looking at Dlinemen at the combine can signal that they are preparing for the possibility of life without AA.

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Originally posted by English:

Agreed. The trouble with some of these posts is that they are encouraging unreal expectations. Then, whatever the team does won't be right.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by philgardis49:

If we got 2 first rounders, depending obviously with which team we traded with, but if one of those is high enough say 10, I would package it with our 31st to see if we could get Young at 2 and with our other First I would go either OL or WR. Just imagine having Young and Bosa back together again terrorizing the league with Ford giving both of them breaks when they need it. Pipe dream I know, but if it happens then the zone will

AA is not gonna get you anything near a top 15 pick, let alone 2 firsts. Also, pick 10 and pick 31 will not be enough to move up to pick 2.

I'm not offloading AA's contract just to pick up another. If we are fine with the cap space, you keep the position of more importance, and you maintain the strength of our team, the DL. The only point of tag and trading Armstead is to replace him with a rookie on a cheaper deal.

Agreed. The trouble with some of these posts is that they are encouraging unreal expectations. Then, whatever the team does won't be right.

That's why I said it was a pipe dream,
I know its probably not going to happen but it's just a hypothetical situation that I threw out there. If it happens awesome we get another young edge rusher to pair with Bosa who he played with in Young and if we don't than that's fine also we can either tag him for the year or long term whichever the team wants to do.