Mid season trade targets this year

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

I know you disagree. That is your only argument you have left, when I am throwing out stats and facts. Just because you disagree doesn't make you right. It then just becomes your opinion. And that is cool, everyone deserves to have their own opinion.

When you say that Thomas is force fed the ball like he is the Saints only receiver and they have no other weapons, that would be false also. Check it out: 2019 NO Saints Receiving stats

A. Kamara- 97 Targets 81 Rec 533 yds
L. Murray- 43 Targets 34 Rec 235 yds
T. Hill- 22 Targets 19 Rec 234 yds
T. Ginn- 56 Targets 30 Rec 431 yds
M. Thomas- 185 Targets 149 Rec 1725 yds
J. Cook- 63 Targets 43 Rec 705 yds
J. Hill- 35 targets 25 Rec 225 yds
T. Smith- 25 Targets 18 Rec 234 yds

As you can see through the stats, the ball is well spread out between several guys and Thomas is not being "force fed" the ball. He is clearly the #1 receiver and targeted and produces as such.

Getting 185 targets is STILL getting 185 targets, it doesn't matter if they spread it around lol. You think SF is gonna throw the ball 185x to Thomas? Nah dude, that's not their scheme. Like I said why not force feed Kittle 185 targets? He does MORE with the ball in his hands than Thomas does. The most targets GK has gotten in one season was 136 and he turned that into almost 1,400 yards...That's 15.6 YPC!

Again Thomas was 70th in yards per catch last...that's NOT a 3 level WR. It's a possession WR that plays primarily in the slot. SF runs a ton of 12 personnel (2 RBs 1 TE 2 WRs) and that means no one in the slot. They still play 11 personnel like 41% of the time, but that's not some overwhelming time share compared to the rest of the league. He'd have to play on the outside more and that's not how he he was used primarily last yr.

So NO imo he's not the best WR in the NFL. He's got great hands and runs top end routes. He's great in the slot. He's isn't a 3 level WR who demands safety help.

I put him in the same category as Keenan Allen.

In no shape or form am I moving a rookie WR with the ability to be a 3 level WR on a cheap rookie contract, a 1st rd pick, and having no money to resign top end FAs. This team would be in worse shape, not better.

I could also see him b***hing about not getting his 10+ targets a game because he simply wouldn't be in this offense.

Trade for Gore!!!!! Conditional 7th if we win the Super bowl!!! LFG!!!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Giants looking to trade for Galloday, I'm jealous if so, he's one of my favorite WRs in the league.

Why in the world would the giants be trying to do that?

More so, why in the hell would Detroit do that?? He's one of the young stud WRs in the league and the Lions aren't out if it.

Originally posted by jersey49er:

A player under the radar I wish the Texans would trade the niners is Jacob Martin, a 6th rd pick Seattle took and traded I believe in the Clowney trade, he's young and not expensive, Would be a nice pick up IMO.

I've been thinking this for the last week. Good call

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

I know you disagree. That is your only argument you have left, when I am throwing out stats and facts. Just because you disagree doesn't make you right. It then just becomes your opinion. And that is cool, everyone deserves to have their own opinion.

When you say that Thomas is force fed the ball like he is the Saints only receiver and they have no other weapons, that would be false also. Check it out: 2019 NO Saints Receiving stats

A. Kamara- 97 Targets 81 Rec 533 yds
L. Murray- 43 Targets 34 Rec 235 yds
T. Hill- 22 Targets 19 Rec 234 yds
T. Ginn- 56 Targets 30 Rec 431 yds
M. Thomas- 185 Targets 149 Rec 1725 yds
J. Cook- 63 Targets 43 Rec 705 yds
J. Hill- 35 targets 25 Rec 225 yds
T. Smith- 25 Targets 18 Rec 234 yds

As you can see through the stats, the ball is well spread out between several guys and Thomas is not being "force fed" the ball. He is clearly the #1 receiver and targeted and produces as such.

Getting 185 targets is STILL getting 185 targets, it doesn't matter if they spread it around lol. You think SF is gonna throw the ball 185x to Thomas? Nah dude, that's not their scheme. Like I said why not force feed Kittle 185 targets? He does MORE with the ball in his hands than Thomas does. The most targets GK has gotten in one season was 136 and he turned that into almost 1,400 yards...That's 15.6 YPC!

Again Thomas was 70th in yards per catch last...that's NOT a 3 level WR. It's a possession WR that plays primarily in the slot. SF runs a ton of 12 personnel (2 RBs 1 TE 2 WRs) and that means no one in the slot. They still play 11 personnel like 41% of the time, but that's not some overwhelming time share compared to the rest of the league. He'd have to play on the outside more and that's not how he he was used primarily last yr.

So NO imo he's not the best WR in the NFL. He's got great hands and runs top end routes. He's great in the slot. He's isn't a 3 level WR who demands safety help.

I put him in the same category as Keenan Allen.

In no shape or form am I moving a rookie WR with the ability to be a 3 level WR on a cheap rookie contract, a 1st rd pick, and having no money to resign top end FAs. This team would be in worse shape, not better.

I could also see him b***hing about not getting his 10+ targets a game because he simply wouldn't be in this offense.

Ok first, stop comparing Thomas to Kittle to fill up some commentary for your "argument". We aren't debating whether Thomas is worth trading for. We crossed that bridge. I get it, your a smart poster who cares about this team, but you keep deviating from the argument.

We are talking about Thomas being the best WR in the NFL.

So because Thomas gets targeted 185 times, that's to be used against him in his case for being the best WR? I can understand if he only caught 100 of those targets, sure he is being over targeted. He responded with 150 receptions. That's over a 80% catch rate.

You come at me with 1 stat to to try to convince me that that you are right? You gotta do better than that. Why not start comparing him to other WRs?

Your argument that Thomas works only in the Slot is false as I will post a video of Baldy's Breakdown of Michael Thomas. He works both the slot and the outside, so there goes your argument. Your also saying he doesn't demand safety help? You gotta be kidding me. In the video, you can clearly see him matching up against the opposing teams #1 corner and burning them or running an excellent route.

What is your next argument? That Michael Thomas is only good because he has hall of famer Drew Brees throwing him the ball. It is obvious you don't watch Thomas. Just look up a simple highlight video of the past few years and all your argument points become bunk.

https://www.nfl.com/videos/why-new-orleans-saints-wide-receiver-michael-thomas-is-the-best-receiver-in-the-

https://youtu.be/2mNZfz4JXSg

Another stat for you. Thomas has the most career catches and yards in his first four season in NFL history.

Thomas has led the NFL in Catches the last two years and catch rate percentage by a large margin. Again, start telling me who is a better receiver and throw out some real stats or videos to prove me wrong, otherwise you are just going in circles with the same rhetoric and should just stop wasting your time.

One point then I'm gonna get out the way. NY said 3 level WR that doesn't require safety help. Meaning that he rarely goes deep and isn't a deep threat jump ball guy like Megatron, or AJ Green were. They required safety help deep.

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Ok first, stop comparing Thomas to Kittle to fill up some commentary for your "argument". We aren't debating whether Thomas is worth trading for. We crossed that bridge. I get it, your a smart poster who cares about this team, but you keep deviating from the argument.

We are talking about Thomas being the best WR in the NFL.

So because Thomas gets targeted 185 times, that's to be used against him in his case for being the best WR? I can understand if he only caught 100 of those targets, sure he is being over targeted. He responded with 150 receptions. That's over a 80% catch rate.

You come at me with 1 stat to to try to convince me that that you are right? You gotta do better than that. Why not start comparing him to other WRs?

Your argument that Thomas works only in the Slot is false as I will post a video of Baldy's Breakdown of Michael Thomas. He works both the slot and the outside, so there goes your argument. Your also saying he doesn't demand safety help? You gotta be kidding me. In the video, you can clearly see him matching up against the opposing teams #1 corner and burning them or running an excellent route.

What is your next argument? That Michael Thomas is only good because he has hall of famer Drew Brees throwing him the ball. It is obvious you don't watch Thomas. Just look up a simple highlight video of the past few years and all your argument points become bunk.

https://www.nfl.com/videos/why-new-orleans-saints-wide-receiver-michael-thomas-is-the-best-receiver-in-the-

https://youtu.be/2mNZfz4JXSg

Another stat for you. Thomas has the most career catches and yards in his first four season in NFL history.

Thomas has led the NFL in Catches the last two years and catch rate percentage by a large margin. Again, start telling me who is a better receiver and throw out some real stats or videos to prove me wrong, otherwise you are just going in circles with the same rhetoric and should just stop wasting your time.

Why can't I compare him to Kittle? 45% of his receptions come form the slot (that's where he has most of his success) his catch chart shows its heavily based around 10 yards and less. If we gave Kittle 185 targets you don't think he'd be getting 1,700 yard? This team isn't gonna pepper any one receiver that much. Kyle spread its around. They're simply not gonna throw it that much overall.

Even Warren Sharp says his routes and target distribution is more like a TE than WR.

Look I don't think he's the best WR in football, your not gonna change my mind about it and I doubt I change yours. It's a super subjective take anyway.

It's a pointless debate because he's not coming to SF.

Originally posted by lamontb:

One point then I'm gonna get out the way. NY said 3 level WR that doesn't require safety help. Meaning that he rarely goes deep and isn't a deep threat jump ball guy like Megatron, or AJ Green were. They required safety help deep.

I want my $20M WR1 who's gonna cost me 1sts rd picks and FAs to at the very least be able to go downfield are require some sort of bracketing coverage all game.

He's a very good WR with great hands. I think if you threw the ball 185xs to a WR they're gonna have some good numbers regardless.

Anyway it's not gonna happen not should it imo.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Ok first, stop comparing Thomas to Kittle to fill up some commentary for your "argument". We aren't debating whether Thomas is worth trading for. We crossed that bridge. I get it, your a smart poster who cares about this team, but you keep deviating from the argument.

We are talking about Thomas being the best WR in the NFL.

So because Thomas gets targeted 185 times, that's to be used against him in his case for being the best WR? I can understand if he only caught 100 of those targets, sure he is being over targeted. He responded with 150 receptions. That's over a 80% catch rate.

You come at me with 1 stat to to try to convince me that that you are right? You gotta do better than that. Why not start comparing him to other WRs?

Your argument that Thomas works only in the Slot is false as I will post a video of Baldy's Breakdown of Michael Thomas. He works both the slot and the outside, so there goes your argument. Your also saying he doesn't demand safety help? You gotta be kidding me. In the video, you can clearly see him matching up against the opposing teams #1 corner and burning them or running an excellent route.

What is your next argument? That Michael Thomas is only good because he has hall of famer Drew Brees throwing him the ball. It is obvious you don't watch Thomas. Just look up a simple highlight video of the past few years and all your argument points become bunk.

https://www.nfl.com/videos/why-new-orleans-saints-wide-receiver-michael-thomas-is-the-best-receiver-in-the-

https://youtu.be/2mNZfz4JXSg

Another stat for you. Thomas has the most career catches and yards in his first four season in NFL history.

Thomas has led the NFL in Catches the last two years and catch rate percentage by a large margin. Again, start telling me who is a better receiver and throw out some real stats or videos to prove me wrong, otherwise you are just going in circles with the same rhetoric and should just stop wasting your time.

Why can't I compare him to Kittle? 45% of his receptions come form the slot (that's where he has most of his success) Look at his catch chart (see article) it's heavily based around 10 yards and less. If we gave Kittle 185 targets you don't think he'd be getting 1,700 yard? This team isn't gonna pepper any one receiver that much. Kyle spread its around. They're simply not gonna throw it that much overall.

https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/michael-thomas-is-the-nfls-most-unique-star-receiver/

Even Warren Sharp says his routes and target distribution is more like a TE than WR.

Look I don't think he's the best WR in football, your not gonna change my mind about it and I doubt I change yours. It's a super subjective take anyway.

It's a pointless debate because he's not coming to SF.

Kittle is a Tight End, Thomas is a WR. Apples to Oranges man. Kittle is the best TE in the NFL. Thomas is the best WR in the NFL.

There is nothing super subjective about the debate. The stats and numbers don't lie. He IS the best WR stat wise in the NFL the past few years. He is injured this year, so that won't be held against him.

I never said he will be a 49er. I was going based on a report that said the saints were willing to talk about a trade for him. I simply said I would trade for him. I even dropped the discussion about trading for him a page ago as it most likely won't happen and it is a waste of time.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by lamontb:

One point then I'm gonna get out the way. NY said 3 level WR that doesn't require safety help. Meaning that he rarely goes deep and isn't a deep threat jump ball guy like Megatron, or AJ Green were. They required safety help deep.

I want my $20M WR1 who's gonna cost me 1sts rd picks and FAs to at the very least be able to go downfield are require some sort of bracketing coverage all game.

He's a very good WR with great hands. I think if you threw the ball 185xs to a WR they're gonna have some good numbers regardless.

Anyway it's not gonna happen not should it imo.

Agreed, I want my #1 making that stupid money to be a threat everywhere on the field. Never been a big fan of Thomas and would so pass even if the fake rumors were true. I'll take the likes of Hop, Adams, Julio, Evans, OBJ next year coming off an acl, Theilen and I'm sure I'm missing a few more over Thomas

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by lamontb:

One point then I'm gonna get out the way. NY said 3 level WR that doesn't require safety help. Meaning that he rarely goes deep and isn't a deep threat jump ball guy like Megatron, or AJ Green were. They required safety help deep.

I want my $20M WR1 who's gonna cost me 1sts rd picks and FAs to at the very least be able to go downfield are require some sort of bracketing coverage all game.

He's a very good WR with great hands. I think if you threw the ball 185xs to a WR they're gonna have some good numbers regardless.

Anyway it's not gonna happen not should it imo.

Production>Being able to go "deep"

LOUD NOISES!!!

Thomas is at least a top 5 WR

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Giants looking to trade for Galloday, I'm jealous if so, he's one of my favorite WRs in the league.

Why in the world would the giants be trying to do that?

More so, why in the hell would Detroit do that?? He's one of the young stud WRs in the league and the Lions aren't out if it.

It was on IG, if it's true I understand the giants want a stud WR for next year, not so much for the lions.

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Kittle is a Tight End, Thomas is a WR. Apples to Oranges man. Kittle is the best TE in the NFL. Thomas is the best WR in the NFL.

There is nothing super subjective about the debate. The stats and numbers don't lie. He IS the best WR stat wise in the NFL the past few years. He is injured this year, so that won't be held against him.

I never said he will be a 49er. I was going based on a report that said the saints were willing to talk about a trade for him. I simply said I would trade for him. I even dropped the discussion about trading for him a page ago as it most likely won't happen and it is a waste of time.

Yeah either way you look at it Thomas is a top 3 weapon as a wr. He's an all pro and although we may want a wr like Hopkins or Julio Thomas is widely viewed as the best or most productive wr in the game. No way we get a wr bc now we are locked in with deebo and Aiyuk. Especially with us being up against the cap