Trade idea (Julio Jones)

Originally posted by illinois9er:
9moon alt account?

I don't think so, I can actually understand what he's talking about, I get so confused most of the times reading 9moon's posts.

Acquiring Julio has been crossing my mind it would make us a legit contender.
not sure there is a way we could make this happen though
ask AB if there is any way we could make this happen,I doubt it

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by illinois9er:
9moon alt account?

I don't think so, I can actually understand what he's talking about, I get so confused most of the times reading 9moon's posts.

It's all those goofy nicknames he gives the players, that he thinks will catch on.

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by illinois9er:
9moon alt account?

I don't think so, I can actually understand what he's talking about, I get so confused most of the times reading 9moon's posts.

It's all those goofy nicknames he gives the players, that he thinks will catch on.

I want a 9moon thread to discuss all his nonsense and have him explain

Originally posted by Zachary:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by illinois9er:
9moon alt account?

I don't think so, I can actually understand what he's talking about, I get so confused most of the times reading 9moon's posts.

It's all those goofy nicknames he gives the players, that he thinks will catch on.

I want a 9moon thread to discuss all his nonsense and have him explain

Lol that'd be hilarious to see.

Originally posted by Bellaleo:
Acquiring Julio has been crossing my mind it would make us a legit contender.
not sure there is a way we could make this happen though
ask AB if there is any way we could make this happen,I doubt it

Yeah, I said this in another thread in Niner Talk, when the season begins, I estimate the team to have around $8M, with the Practice Squad, but before extending Warner, Julio has a bit over $15M base salary, don't see him taking a pay cut, so the team would end up over the cap, and Jimmy isn't going anywhere. Now as for 2022, after we unload Jimmy, top 51 included, Deebo, Dre, & Wishnowsky's base salary escalated due to the PPE, and before a Warner extension, they'll be around $20M under, with a Warner extension, I see a $5.5M cap number, so down to around $15M, and Julio makes $11.513M in 2022, so we'd have little to no room to retain any of our own FAs. So it's not feasible long term or short term. Plus we have limited draft picks(2022 2nd & 3rd, 2023 2nd, 3rd, & Comp 3rd), I doubt ATL wants less than a 1st, and honestly we need our early picks, I don't like the idea of having no picks in the first 2-3 rounds for next 2 years, then we're following the Rams playbook, which is the wrong thing to do. While they've saved on not having to pay 1st rd picks, they've also given out bad contracts that hurt them, or crazy contracts that made no sense.

He has a terrible contract and the Falcons will ask for a lot. Pass. Great player and sure fire HOF, though.

Would give up a 3rd for sure

Prefer OBJ

Trade idea: 7th rounder for Julio. Make it happen.

Moral of the story - not all ideas are good ideas :-)

Originally posted by Anegada1:
This idea popped into my head this morning. Jimmy G. for Julio Jones feels like a win, win for both teams imo.. Thoughts ? Wait a second, let me crawl into my bomb shelter before you launch your Scuds. Ok , go ahead.

He is 32 and expensive with health concerns. No thanks. And I don't want to trade anymore draft picks unless it's for young elite talent.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
He is 32 and expensive with health concerns. No thanks. And I don't want to trade anymore draft picks unless it's for young elite talent.

... and what will you be willing to give up for that YOUNG ELITE TALENT??

There's no chance we trade for Julio, people need to get that out of their heads, it doesn't work financially, and I'll explain.

2021 wise, say you do trade for Julio, he counts $15.3M, we're projected to have, IMO, around $8M-$10M in cap room before we give Warner his much deserved extension, and after the practice squad, so right there we're in the negative. So ok, then we trade Jimmy, which would be dumb, but say we do, well they save $25M, but take away $15.3M, and it's only a savings of $9.7M.

2022 wise, the team will be, with their current players under contract for 2022, minus Richburg, $1,801,822 over the 2022 projected cap of $203M, it won't be higher than $205M, with the uncertainty of COVID, and it's impact on the revenue, the cap won't jump until 2023, or more likely the explosion in 2024. When you release/trade JG in 2022, you save $25.6M, well actually $24.895M when factoring in the top 51 rule, that would leave the team just $23,083,178 under the cap, add in a projected $5.5M cap number for Warner on an extension, that brings them down to $17,593,178, then if you do trade for Julio, his 2022 cap number would be $11.513M, leaving the 49ers with just $6,080,178 in cap room for the OFFSEASON(not real cap room for when the season begins), and the team will want to bring back some of their key FAs, Mostert, Wilson, Dwelley, Brunskill, Jones, Verrett, K'Waun, Moore, maybe Harris, Key, Hurst, Givens, Al-Shaair, they can't sign all or most of them with just $6M in cap room.

Well ok, what about carryover, well the team, if they did trade JG away, plus get Julio, their projected $8M-$10M(pre Warner extension, which should be at least $3M in cap room) goes to max of $17.7M to $19.7M, but as we saw last season the cap room can evaporate quickly, plus take away at least $3M for Warner, you can't let him go into 2021 without a new deal, as the LB tender will be over $17M in 2022, so they're at between $14.7M to $16.7M, add in weekly promotions for practice squad players, as they get a prorated portion of their minimum base salary, so a guy who would make $1.075M if he wasn't on the PS, would get $14K a week for 16 games, and then $59,722 for that game, those add up as the season goes on.

Let's conservatively say the 49ers end up with half of that $14.7M-$16.7M, it would be much lower to be honest, so that's either $7.35M or $8.35M, so then their cap room for 2022 would go from the $6,080,178 to between $13,430,178 to $14,430,178, that won't be enough to re-sign players, or add players to fill the voids left by guys leaving. Plus you then have to factor in the teams 2022 draft class, they're not gonna just trade JG, trade for Julio, then let all of their FAs go in 2022, add none in FA, and just draft 7 rookies, that would look like the team is rebuilding. And again, that $13.43M to $14.43M is TOP 51 CAP ROOM, not in season cap room. Like how the 49ers have $17M right now, then they'll have around $12M when Lance, Sermon & Thomas sign their rookie deals, but again TOP 51 CAP ROOM, in season wise, like I said, between $8M-$10M, but that's with the PS, and without a new deal for Warner.

So to conclude, it makes absolutely zero sense to trade JG and/or trade for Julio, he's 32, injured a lot lately, isn't the player he once was, likely won't take a pay cut in 2022, since he's only making $11.513M, not like he'll go down to the minimum without any up front GTD money that starts counting in 2022. If this doesn't get it through everyone who thinks we can or wants to trade for Julio, that it's not feasible, then idk what will.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
There's no chance we trade for Julio, people need to get that out of their heads, it doesn't work financially, and I'll explain.

2021 wise, say you do trade for Julio, he counts $15.3M, we're projected to have, IMO, around $8M-$10M in cap room before we give Warner his much deserved extension, and after the practice squad, so right there we're in the negative. So ok, then we trade Jimmy, which would be dumb, but say we do, well they save $25M, but take away $15.3M, and it's only a savings of $9.7M.

2022 wise, the team will be, with their current players under contract for 2022, minus Richburg, $1,801,822 over the 2022 projected cap of $203M, it won't be higher than $205M, with the uncertainty of COVID, and it's impact on the revenue, the cap won't jump until 2023, or more likely the explosion in 2024. When you release/trade JG in 2022, you save $25.6M, well actually $24.895M when factoring in the top 51 rule, that would leave the team just $23,083,178 under the cap, add in a projected $5.5M cap number for Warner on an extension, that brings them down to $17,593,178, then if you do trade for Julio, his 2022 cap number would be $11.513M, leaving the 49ers with just $6,080,178 in cap room for the OFFSEASON(not real cap room for when the season begins), and the team will want to bring back some of their key FAs, Mostert, Wilson, Dwelley, Brunskill, Jones, Verrett, K'Waun, Moore, maybe Harris, Key, Hurst, Givens, Al-Shaair, they can't sign all or most of them with just $6M in cap room.

Well ok, what about carryover, well the team, if they did trade JG away, plus get Julio, their projected $8M-$10M(pre Warner extension, which should be at least $3M in cap room) goes to max of $17.7M to $19.7M, but as we saw last season the cap room can evaporate quickly, plus take away at least $3M for Warner, you can't let him go into 2021 without a new deal, as the LB tender will be over $17M in 2022, so they're at between $14.7M to $16.7M, add in weekly promotions for practice squad players, as they get a prorated portion of their minimum base salary, so a guy who would make $1.075M if he wasn't on the PS, would get $14K a week for 16 games, and then $59,722 for that game, those add up as the season goes on.

Let's conservatively say the 49ers end up with half of that $14.7M-$16.7M, it would be much lower to be honest, so that's either $7.35M or $8.35M, so then their cap room for 2022 would go from the $6,080,178 to between $13,430,178 to $14,430,178, that won't be enough to re-sign players, or add players to fill the voids left by guys leaving. Plus you then have to factor in the teams 2022 draft class, they're not gonna just trade JG, trade for Julio, then let all of their FAs go in 2022, add none in FA, and just draft 7 rookies, that would look like the team is rebuilding. And again, that $13.43M to $14.43M is TOP 51 CAP ROOM, not in season cap room. Like how the 49ers have $17M right now, then they'll have around $12M when Lance, Sermon & Thomas sign their rookie deals, but again TOP 51 CAP ROOM, in season wise, like I said, between $8M-$10M, but that's with the PS, and without a new deal for Warner.

So to conclude, it makes absolutely zero sense to trade JG and/or trade for Julio, he's 32, injured a lot lately, isn't the player he once was, likely won't take a pay cut in 2022, since he's only making $11.513M, not like he'll go down to the minimum without any up front GTD money that starts counting in 2022. If this doesn't get it through everyone who thinks we can or wants to trade for Julio, that it's not feasible, then idk what will.

Copy and pasted from the Mostert thread, since it belongs here...

There is no end to this, not until Julio gets traded to another team or Atlanta decides to keep him. You guys forget that we just witnessed an offseason where everyone was predicting doom and gloom for tons of teams in cap hell, yet most of them added more talent or found creative ways to keep their team's mostly intact without having to gut their rosters.

Let's also not forget that Shanny/Lynch recently called about Aaron Rodgers because acquiring ELITE talent helps your quest in winning a superbowl when your window is currently open. I would love to hear how adding Rodgers was feasible, especially since he wants a new deal, but adding Julio isn't? In both scenarios Jimmy's large cap hit would be moved to create cap space, but in this scenario we would hand the keys to a guy we just traded multiple 1st for, instead of the reigning MVP, but giving him multiple elite weapons would certainly help Lance's transition to the pros. With Trey on a rookie contract, now is the perfect time to make a move for a WR like Julio.

So would Julio cost us the ability to retain some of our players down the line? Maybe guys like Mostert and the Verrett types, but not the important cornerstones like Warner. The same way all these other teams restructured contracts to keep loaded rosters, I'm not sure why people think we'd be screwed if we added a top 5 WR, who has a cap hit that's pretty manageable for the next 2 years. After the Trey Lance trade, I don't think this team is playing it safe anymore as they watch our division opponents throw caution to the wind as they also chase a championship.

So AB you're definitely a cap genius and I appreciate all your work keeping us updated, but I'll believe we aren't interested in Julio when some concrete news comes out saying we aren't one of the teams trying to acquire him after June 1st. I just can't see Shanny not jumping at such an opportunity when we all know how much he loves a talent like that.

Julio would be a massive mistake!