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Should we try to get DeForest Buckner back
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Feb 13, 2023 at 1:10 PM
- goldlame2013
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The Kinlaw experiment was a complete bust and failure, since the Colts are pretty horrible, should we try to trade to get him back?
Feb 13, 2023 at 1:29 PM
- JaggedJ
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Don't have the draft capital or cap space to do that.
Feb 13, 2023 at 1:37 PM
- English
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No. Unless he has suddenly decided that he will play for nothing.
Feb 13, 2023 at 1:58 PM
- asu49ers
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still need to figure out how to pay Bosa and Aiyuk this offseason. Because of that, I don't see us being able to afford Buckner.
Feb 13, 2023 at 2:04 PM
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Originally posted by asu49ers:
still need to figure out how to pay Bosa and Aiyuk this offseason. Because of that, I don't see us being able to afford Buckner.
We'll extend Bosa, but his cap hit won't increase next season.
Aiyuk will probably be asked to wait like Bosa was made to wait so we could take care of Deebo last off season.
Feb 14, 2023 at 2:28 PM
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Buckner may be cut or traded with the cap hit he's due and the small bonus he has left. 👀
Feb 14, 2023 at 3:23 PM
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Originally posted by Youngone:
Buckner may be cut or traded with the cap hit he's due and the small bonus he has left. 👀
I can't see us affording him. He would have to give a MAJOR discount, which I don't see happening. Run D also takes a hit. I'd go in a different direction if we were going to spend that kind of money- FS and OL.
Feb 15, 2023 at 9:19 AM
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Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by Youngone:
Buckner may be cut or traded with the cap hit he's due and the small bonus he has left. 👀
I can't see us affording him. He would have to give a MAJOR discount, which I don't see happening. Run D also takes a hit. I'd go in a different direction if we were going to spend that kind of money- FS and OL.
It's the off-season, so one can dream. I wouldn't spend that money on FS but I would approve splash spending on OL
Feb 16, 2023 at 9:16 AM
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Originally posted by Youngone:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by Youngone:
Buckner may be cut or traded with the cap hit he's due and the small bonus he has left. 👀
I can't see us affording him. He would have to give a MAJOR discount, which I don't see happening. Run D also takes a hit. I'd go in a different direction if we were going to spend that kind of money- FS and OL.
It's the off-season, so one can dream. I wouldn't spend that money on FS but I would approve splash spending on OL
No FS is going to be worth that money. Just saying if we are going to go there, that's the direction.
Feb 26, 2023 at 12:13 PM
- LasVegasWally
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Originally posted by JaggedJ:
Don't have the draft capital or cap space to do that.
Good call!
Nov 24, 2023 at 6:25 AM
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even though armstead wasn't bad, the comparison between both shows we should have really paid buckner. he is really one of the premiere linemen in the game. armstead is slight above average and kinlaw a bust
armstead + kinlaw, the last 4 seasons
205 total tackles
16 sacks
1 int
10 pds
0 ff
0 fr
buckner, the last 4 seasons
244 tackles
29,5 sacks
0 int
12 pds
6 ff
3 fr
armstead + kinlaw, the last 4 seasons
205 total tackles
16 sacks
1 int
10 pds
0 ff
0 fr
buckner, the last 4 seasons
244 tackles
29,5 sacks
0 int
12 pds
6 ff
3 fr
Nov 24, 2023 at 10:33 AM
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I think that the signing of Hargrave has condemned this thread to the "no" pile.
Nov 24, 2023 at 3:07 PM
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Originally posted by alwayssecond:
even though armstead wasn't bad, the comparison between both shows we should have really paid buckner. he is really one of the premiere linemen in the game. armstead is slight above average and kinlaw a bust
armstead + kinlaw, the last 4 seasons
205 total tackles
16 sacks
1 int
10 pds
0 ff
0 fr
buckner, the last 4 seasons
244 tackles
29,5 sacks
0 int
12 pds
6 ff
3 fr
You're leaving out an important detail. Jimmie Ward should be included in that comparison as well. It's AA, Kinlaw, Ward, and I might be leaving someone else out verses Buckner.
Run defense would also be weaker. AA is superior in that regard. No one has ever argued that AA was a better player. He never was, not in college and not in the pros. It's clear Kinlaw is a net negative. But Ward in the mix, the superior run D, and the fact that we had number 1 overall defenses without Buckner, tips the scales towards the AA/Ward/net negative package.
If anything, people should be saying we should've drafted Wirfs instead of Kinlaw and this would be a massive plus for us. One of the top-10 trades.
Nov 24, 2023 at 8:37 PM
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Originally posted by alwayssecond:Buck and AA both have 5 sacks this year
even though armstead wasn't bad, the comparison between both shows we should have really paid buckner. he is really one of the premiere linemen in the game. armstead is slight above average and kinlaw a bust
armstead + kinlaw, the last 4 seasons
205 total tackles
16 sacks
1 int
10 pds
0 ff
0 fr
buckner, the last 4 seasons
244 tackles
29,5 sacks
0 int
12 pds
6 ff
3 fr
Nov 25, 2023 at 11:29 AM
- dj43
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Originally posted by alwayssecond:AA is slightly above average?
even though armstead wasn't bad, the comparison between both shows we should have really paid buckner. he is really one of the premiere linemen in the game. armstead is slight above average and kinlaw a bust
armstead + kinlaw, the last 4 seasons
205 total tackles
16 sacks
1 int
10 pds
0 ff
0 fr
buckner, the last 4 seasons
244 tackles
29,5 sacks
0 int
12 pds
6 ff
3 fr
According to PFF, he is currently ranked #10 overall Interior Defender. Buckner is ranked #18. AA has a 4-point margin over DeFo in run defense. DeFo has a 3-point margin in pass rush. They are interchangeable pieces this year.
FWIW, Hargrave is right between the two.
EDIT: Kinlaw certainly has not earned his draft status but he has moved up about 10 spots since the early season. His weakness is in run defense. His pass rush has been decent.
[ Edited by dj43 on Nov 25, 2023 at 11:32 AM ]
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