49ers 2017 Draft: Lynch's Blue Print

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by strickac:
Love he first 2 picks. Allen would imply a move to a 4-3 and Reddick could play anywhere

Not exactly. He lists Allen as a "DE", which what Allen is at Alabama: a 3-4 DE. This mock goes with the redundant pick at 2, and we pick a 5technique for the third in a row with our first-round pick. I guess Buckner or Armstead are relegated to the bench in this scenario.

Jonathan Allen is not a 4-3 defensive end; he doesn't have the bend or speed off the corner to live there. Most of his damage is done from the inside--hence why Saban plays Ryan Anderson and Tim Williams as edge rushers in Alabama's defense.

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No way we send AA or Buckner to the bench. None of them are NTs, which is why I would only see this scenario happening in a 4-3 front.

Buckner - AA - Allen - Lynch

Buckner and Lynch would be fine at DE. Allen could play inside. AA is the odd man out. He's not a great fit anywhere except 5 technique.

With all the hype from AA last year in training camp I don't think we'll consider benching him. His teammates were the ones talking about how he was unblockable. He deserves to prove it.

Originally posted by strickac:

No way we send AA or Buckner to the bench. None of them are NTs, which is why I would only see this scenario happening in a 4-3 front.

Buckner - AA - Allen - Lynch

Buckner and Lynch would be fine at DE. Allen could play inside. AA is the odd man out. He's not a great fit anywhere except 5 technique.

With all the hype from AA last year in training camp I don't think we'll consider benching him. His teammates were the ones talking about how he was unblockable. He deserves to prove it.

Please tell me how many 6-7 290+ 4-3 DE there are? That would be the slowest f**king pass rush in the league lol.

people either are stubborn or have no clue what the hell they're talking about.


why don't you guys go over to the Jets forum and ask them what happens when you put interior linemen on the edge? Richardson, Williams and Wilkerson are all 5tech/interior guys. The Jets are stacked with these interior guys, but even with all that talent, you only have so many spots for them. The lack of speed off the edge crippled their defense:

Todd Bowle's discussing their problems with lack of speed off the corners:

I don't think we're getting off on the edge very fast. We don't have a fast edge-rushing team. We have a bunch of power guys inside and some guys that can make some plays on the inside. I don't think we have the true speed guys on the outside yet. So we blitz more here and there to cover up for some of those things.

Jets living dangerously on edge without outside pass-rusher

Overview: You'll notice there are only three starters, not enough for a 3-4 base defense. The reason for this is because the Jets don't have two starting-caliber outside linebackers. Mauldin probably will get one of the spots, but there's a gaping hole on the other side. A concern? Yeah, you bet it is. The entire linebacking corps is under construction. By opening day, they could have three new starters, with Harris the only holdover. He's 32 years old, so they need to think about an heir apparent in the middle. It wouldn't be a surprise if they draft two linebackers, one inside and one outside. The Jets had only 12.5 sacks from players lining up as linebackers.

Putting Buckner and Armstead anywhere other than inside is moronic.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Please tell me how many 6-7 290+ 4-3 DE there are? That would be the slowest f**king pass rush in the league lol.

If anyone could do it, I'd say Buck could. That's not an endorsement for the 4-3, it's just part of my confusion with drafting Allen. We either go to an awkward 4-3 or bench one of our potential stars that we just invested a 1st on.

Allen and Buckner would make a nasty pair of DEs, but AA's presence makes it a null point.

Originally posted by strickac:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Please tell me how many 6-7 290+ 4-3 DE there are? That would be the slowest f**king pass rush in the league lol.

If anyone could do it, I'd say Buck could. That's not an endorsement for the 4-3, it's just part of my confusion with drafting Allen. We either go to an awkward 4-3 or bench one of our potential stars that we just invested a 1st on.

Allen and Buckner would make a nasty pair of DEs, but AA's presence makes it a null point.

Throwing current players in poor positions to succeed cause you want a player doesn't makes sense to me

If we go 4-3 it just means Armstead will be rotational. Not ideal but that's what happens when you change schemes.

We need a nt, lb and a pass rusher either way though so I don't see the big deal. We'd just be acquiring 4-3 talent now.

Lynch, Buckner, nt/ Armstead, rookie. I'd prefer we stay 3-4 but we're making long term decisions.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by strickac:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Please tell me how many 6-7 290+ 4-3 DE there are? That would be the slowest f**king pass rush in the league lol.

If anyone could do it, I'd say Buck could. That's not an endorsement for the 4-3, it's just part of my confusion with drafting Allen. We either go to an awkward 4-3 or bench one of our potential stars that we just invested a 1st on.

Allen and Buckner would make a nasty pair of DEs, but AA's presence makes it a null point.

Throwing current players in poor positions to succeed cause you want a player doesn't makes sense to me

Not going to say switching to a 4-3 is a good idea. But a 4-3 under could work. Not ideal for Buckner but if we change that's the only 4-3 that could work.

I don't think we have enough talent on our roster to let our current players dictate what kind of team we want to build. If 4-3 is the type of D that the new regime wants to run, then we should go forward with that.

Also, I feel like that 4-3 D line the Giants had with Osi and Tuck is a good model. Seemed like they had a lot of guys that were kind of between classic DT and DE, but they rotated a lot, kept guys fresh, and always brought a lot of heat on the QB.

Originally posted by 9moon:
if we go 4-3... trust Lynch that he sees this line up in our front four.

RE - Tank Carradine (last stand)

DT - Deforest Buckner

DT - Jonathan Allen

LE - LYNCH/ELI

Buckner is too tall and can't play low enough to be on the inside on running downs. Armstead either, for that matter. As was demonstrated over and over again this past season. Now playing the inside on passing downs is different, and he can be devastating rushing the passer.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
If we go 4-3 it just means Armstead will be rotational. Not ideal but that's what happens when you change schemes.

We need a nt, lb and a pass rusher either way though so I don't see the big deal. We'd just be acquiring 4-3 talent now.

Lynch, Buckner, nt/ Armstead, rookie. I'd prefer we stay 3-4 but we're making long term decisions.

Just get a damn NT in free agency. There are at least a couple that would fill the bill.

Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
I don't think we have enough talent on our roster to let our current players dictate what kind of team we want to build. If 4-3 is the type of D that the new regime wants to run, then we should go forward with that.

Also, I feel like that 4-3 D line the Giants had with Osi and Tuck is a good model. Seemed like they had a lot of guys that were kind of between classic DT and DE, but they rotated a lot, kept guys fresh, and always brought a lot of heat on the QB.

It'll take an extra year to acquire the players necessary to run a 4-3, but since the Niners won't have a winning season for at least 2 years anyway, what one more year?

there's 2 great fullbacks available.... why get toby

Stanford Cardinal connection

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by strickac:
No way we send AA or Buckner to the bench. None of them are NTs, which is why I would only see this scenario happening in a 4-3 front.

Buckner - AA - Allen - Lynch

Buckner and Lynch would be fine at DE. Allen could play inside. AA is the odd man out. He's not a great fit anywhere except 5 technique.

With all the hype from AA last year in training camp I don't think we'll consider benching him. His teammates were the ones talking about how he was unblockable. He deserves to prove it.

Please tell me how many 6-7 290+ 4-3 DE there are? That would be the slowest f**king pass rush in the league lol.

You talking about the 6-7 Armstead??

I thought you said from the get go he was never a PASS RUSHER (at OREGON and that's why he only had 2.5 sacks).. WHAT PASS would you expect from him so?


The guy will either be traded of he'll have just be the body (like you've been saying) who takes on them blockers so the LBs can make all the tackles..