Building for Shanahan 2.0

Originally posted by TheNef77:
No one is giving up a Top 15 pick for a backup QB to be given a veterans contract on pure potential. Buffalo and Taylor are parting ways and Bruce Arians doesn't give a damn about developing a QB after his tenure so AZ isn't using a Top 15 pick on a QB. You're left with CHI, BUF, CLE, and NYJ. All in the Top 15. Cleveland already tried to drive down the price and they have the lowest 1st rounder to offer at #12 unless you really think JG is worth the 1st pick of the draft. If that's the case, I see where the problem lies and will agree to disagree.

BTW That deal that I gave with Buffalo is nearly the same deal Philly used to move from #8 to #2 for a FCS QB that everyone was scared to draft. I gave Buffalo a discount even though they're 2 spots further.

I'm not saying Jimmy is worth the #1 pick at all but it wouldn't surprise me that Cleveland would offer #12 for him straight up. Do they want to, hell no but they can afford to.

When its all said and done I'm willing to bet the Patriots end up with a pick higher then 44 and a fifth rounder for Garropolo considering there could be 4 teams outbidding each other.

I'd rather go with the "realistic options"

Actually, I hope we don't trade for anyone. There are bargain / bridge QBs out there, we even have a couple on our roster (at the moment). I believe Kyle is as "good as advertised" ... we're not expected to win right away anyhow, but if he happens to surprise us........

Build some more off the draft and acquire some players (not old ones) in FA. I think ShLynch gets us to playoffs in two years tops, and I won't be surprised if we're competitive in 2017 (7-9 or better).

Thanks, a lot of fun to read. I'd be stoked if all this happened, but just not realistic.

We'll be lucky to find one trade partner in the first round given the overall depth this year - I just can't see teams being too willing to give up picks when they can get quality players deep into the 4th and 5th rounds.

I think you have Kamara going a round too late.

Garoppolo will be dealt for a minimum of two 2nd round picks. NE spent a 2nd on him and he's had three years of top-notch coaching. His value will be determined by the market, which looks to be strong. CLE, CHI, SF and BUF could all make bids. I wouldn't be at all surprised if CLE sends NE pick 12.

Originally posted by LVJay:
I believe Kyle is as "good as advertised" ... we're not expected to win right away anyhow, but if he happens to surprise us........

Build some more off the draft and acquire some players (not old ones) in FA. I think ShLynch gets us to playoffs in two years tops, and I won't be surprised if we're competitive in 2017 (7-9 or better).

Agree 100%

If the handwriting's on the wall for conversion to the 4-3, then why was Vic Fangio, a 3-4 guru, the first guy they wanted to be our DC. The problem right now is the Niners don't have enough good players to make the 3-4 or 4-3 work like it's supposed to. The fix isn't to convert to a 4-3, it's to get the right players in the places they're needed. They're already set up for the 3-4. Example #1: NT. We don't have anything close to a good one. Solution: go out and sign Brandon Williams. Example #2. ILB. Both Bowman & Armstrong are coming off season-long injuries. The depth behind them isn't good. Solution: sign a FA and/or draft one of the top rookie ILB's like Zach Cunningham. I think Hodges is worth re-signing. Example #3: S position. It needs some major help. Reid's in the last year of his extension. Don't re-sign him. Bethea's lost it. Tartt has yet to really prove himself. There are very good S in both FA and the draft. Get some. Example #4: OLB/Pass rushers. We have no one who's scaring the opposition. There are some excellent OLB's in both FA the draft...go get 'em. There's no good reason to change your system...it's not the system it's the players in it. Really no stars to speak of and insufficient depth. Fix that and this insipid debate over 3-4 or 4-3 goes away.

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
If the handwriting's on the wall for conversion to the 4-3, then why was Vic Fangio, a 3-4 guru, the first guy they wanted to be our DC. The problem right now is the Niners don't have enough good players to make the 3-4 or 4-3 work like it's supposed to. The fix isn't to convert to a 4-3, it's to get the right players in the places they're needed. They're already set up for the 3-4. Example #1: NT. We don't have anything close to a good one. Solution: go out and sign Brandon Williams. Example #2. ILB. Both Bowman & Armstrong are coming off season-long injuries. The depth behind them isn't good. Solution: sign a FA and/or draft one of the top rookie ILB's like Zach Cunningham. I think Hodges is worth re-signing. Example #3: S position. It needs some major help. Reid's in the last year of his extension. Don't re-sign him. Bethea's lost it. Tartt has yet to really prove himself. There are very good S in both FA and the draft. Get some. Example #4: OLB/Pass rushers. We have no one who's scaring the opposition. There are some excellent OLB's in both FA the draft...go get 'em. There's no good reason to change your system...it's not the system it's the players in it. Really no stars to speak of and insufficient depth. Fix that and this insipid debate over 3-4 or 4-3 goes away.

Niners hired Zgonia from a 4-3 DL
2 mentioned candidates from DC were Jerome Henderson (please no) and Robert Saleh. Both from 4-3 backgrounds. It may not be what you want, but it's looking more and more like what's going to happen

Nice effort. Would be nice, but I don't see the Pats giving up Jimmy for so little simply because of the teams that are rumored to be interested in him. Would be jumping if we did though. More likely it'll be a 2nd and a conditional 3rd next year, that could jump up to #2. The number two would be our own.

If Myles Garret is there (unlikely), I see the Niner's grabbing him. Most likely though is a trade down. Like you, I think the 49ers may go 4-3 this year. If that is the case, we probably only need an edge rusher. If they stay at 3-4 then will need a middle and an edge rusher.

It will be interesting to see what happens. Who signs what FA (not just us but others in the top 10 will affect the draft). Another unlikely but wishful scenario is the niners going after DeSean to pair with Torrey. We also need a fullback or at least a big, but fast back. Hopefully we can pull off what happen last year when people wanted Wntz and Jared badly and paid big.

Originally posted by TheNef77:

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
If the handwriting's on the wall for conversion to the 4-3, then why was Vic Fangio, a 3-4 guru, the first guy they wanted to be our DC. The problem right now is the Niners don't have enough good players to make the 3-4 or 4-3 work like it's supposed to. The fix isn't to convert to a 4-3, it's to get the right players in the places they're needed. They're already set up for the 3-4. Example #1: NT. We don't have anything close to a good one. Solution: go out and sign Brandon Williams. Example #2. ILB. Both Bowman & Armstrong are coming off season-long injuries. The depth behind them isn't good. Solution: sign a FA and/or draft one of the top rookie ILB's like Zach Cunningham. I think Hodges is worth re-signing. Example #3: S position. It needs some major help. Reid's in the last year of his extension. Don't re-sign him. Bethea's lost it. Tartt has yet to really prove himself. There are very good S in both FA and the draft. Get some. Example #4: OLB/Pass rushers. We have no one who's scaring the opposition. There are some excellent OLB's in both FA the draft...go get 'em. There's no good reason to change your system...it's not the system it's the players in it. Really no stars to speak of and insufficient depth. Fix that and this insipid debate over 3-4 or 4-3 goes away.

Niners hired Zgonia from a 4-3 DL
2 mentioned candidates from DC were Jerome Henderson (please no) and Robert Saleh. Both from 4-3 backgrounds. It may not be what you want, but it's looking more and more like what's going to happen

Finding a stud 3-4 rush line backer is hard. Our present talent I think is better suited for 4-3. As for Fangio, it was a matter if you are going to stay the course, may as well get the one that worked best for us. If we did get him, then the niners probably would draft/get FAs accordingly.

Originally posted by WildBill:
Nice effort. Would be nice, but I don't see the Pats giving up Jimmy for so little simply because of the teams that are rumored to be interested in him. Would be jumping if we did though. More likely it'll be a 2nd and a conditional 3rd next year, that could jump up to #2. The number two would be our own.

If Myles Garret is there (unlikely), I see the Niner's grabbing him. Most likely though is a trade down. Like you, I think the 49ers may go 4-3 this year. If that is the case, we probably only need an edge rusher. If they stay at 3-4 then will need a middle and an edge rusher.

It will be interesting to see what happens. Who signs what FA (not just us but others in the top 10 will affect the draft). Another unlikely but wishful scenario is the niners going after DeSean to pair with Torrey. We also need a fullback or at least a big, but fast back. Hopefully we can pull off what happen last year when people wanted Wntz and Jared badly and paid big.

Yeah bro. I remember last year, it was pretty similar. Bosa and Tunsil were all the hype until it got closer and the patience ran thin to reach for QBs. I think we'll get a great offer from Buffalo because their roster seems like it's a good QB away from a playoff team.

I don't see the pass rush from Armstead to be a prototypical 3 technique DT.
He doesn't have the speed or explosiveness of a Warren Sapp.
Armstead has more potential as a top run stuffer than top pass rusher.

Originally posted by FunkNinerFlex:
I don't see the pass rush from Armstead to be a prototypical 3 technique DT.
He doesn't have the speed or explosiveness of a Warren Sapp.
Armstead has more potential as a top run stuffer than top pass rusher.

I have to put him some where or else we wasted a 1st round pick in just his 3rd year. Like you said, he doesn't bring a pass rush which is why I didn't put him at DE. He's not big enough to play the one tech so 3 tech it is. If I really got my way, I would trade him but then you would get the unrealistic police pulling me over.

44th and a 5th for Jimmy G?!

Bill Belichick will tell you to fxxk off.

Start with a 1st round pick if you really want the kid.

Originally posted by Rascal:
44th and a 5th for Jimmy G?!

Bill Belichick will tell you to fxxk off.

Start with a 1st round pick if you really want the kid.

Weak. You can negotiate that asking price. You're better off drafting and developing a QB in the 1st with Shanahan if that's the case. Shanahan's student in his 3rd year>JG in his 3rd year.

Originally posted by TheNef77:

Originally posted by Rascal:
44th and a 5th for Jimmy G?!

Bill Belichick will tell you to fxxk off.

Start with a 1st round pick if you really want the kid.

Weak. You can negotiate that asking price. You're better off drafting and developing a QB in the 1st with Shanahan if that's the case. Shanahan's student in his 3rd year>JG in his 3rd year.

Bofe uv u is right

Beliqueef won't even laugh at that offer. Instead, he'll be irked (way past menopause and just plain, grumpy ole fart). Frankly, I hope ShLynch goes the rout of the bolded (actually tho, Shanahan's rook should even prosper sooner than his "3rd year").

Given all the praise, he still has quite a bit of doubters (some 49ers fans too). Honestly (imo), We'll win a lot (sooner than most doubters think).

This dude is already preparing himself for the backwards installation (reminds me of Jim Haslett, and whoever the coaches were in the old school division--I really don't GAF).



http://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/103562-rams-mcvay-shanahan-cant-believe-have-twice-year/

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Great job