Pre-Combine Top 50 Big Board!!

Originally posted by HERN:

Originally posted by gored49:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
Well done.

Thanks. Takes a lot of time to put together so I appreciate the note.

This sucks. Waste of time.

J.K.

Well done. I officially removed Sidney Jones out of my top 50. I think he might be a tad overrated. Would rather have Adoree Jackson.

Also, Forrest Lamp NEEDS to be in the top 25. Dude is a stud. Unless I missed him.

hahaha! It really is a waste of time but I just like it for some stupid reason.

Jones was hard for me to rate. I don't think he can fit in every defense but if he is in the right one he will do his job really well.

Lamp absolutely deserves to be in my top 50 after that workout. He blew away what I thought some of his numbers would be. I don't think top 25 though. I feel like he looks better because overall the o-line class is weak. I think 35 - 50 range seems like a really good place for him to be drafted with the other talent in this draft.

now how many of you said GREAT JOB want trubs at 2? Because he likely is in the 20's talent wise. But want to reach 20 spots for him lol

Originally posted by fan49:
now how many of you said GREAT JOB want trubs at 2? Because he likely is in the 20's talent wise. But want to reach 20 spots for him lol

You just have to accept that is the way it is for a QB unless their name is Luck. Nobody honestly could've said that on college film Goff was better than Elliott or ever had as much impact as Elliott. The fact is teams view RBs as disposable and QBs as essential and hence the major bump for one over the other on draft day.

Originally posted by gored49:

Originally posted by fan49:

now how many of you said GREAT JOB want trubs at 2? Because he likely is in the 20's talent wise. But want to reach 20 spots for him lol

You just have to accept that is the way it is for a QB unless their name is Luck. Nobody honestly could've said that on college film Goff was better than Elliott or ever had as much impact as Elliott. The fact is teams view RBs as disposable and QBs as essential and hence the major bump for one over the other on draft day.

Correct QBs are valued higher. I bet if you told the Rams they could choose between Right now Goff and right now Elliott, they take Elliott. Missing on a QB sets you back a decade. See,. The Browns, Rams, Jags, Jets, Bears ( they traded their way into their nightmare, if my memory serves me correctly) etc..

I would rather go into the season running the wildcat with Hyde instead of reaching for a QB because for some reasons, unknown to the universe, this team doesn't have a QB on the roster. What's the worst that can happen? We draft 1-2 again? Just don't reach is my point, Gents and Gals.. It's NFL suicide.

Originally posted by Force_Choke:
I would rather go into the season running the wildcat with Hyde instead of reaching for a QB because for some reasons, unknown to the universe, this team doesn't have a QB on the roster. What's the worst that can happen? We draft 1-2 again? Just don't reach is my point, Gents and Gals.. It's NFL suicide.

I agree. Sadly I would rather have a cheap deal in place with Cutler (I REALLY dislike Cutler) then waste the #2 pick if our scouts determine there are other potential HOF players in positions of need other than the chance at a POSSIBLE starter. If we were the Texans, Cardinals or Bills then I would swing for the fences on a QB because they don't have as many positions of need.

Originally posted by fan49:
now how many of you said GREAT JOB want trubs at 2? Because he likely is in the 20's talent wise. But want to reach 20 spots for him lol

I'm all in for Garrett at #2.

With that being said, if hes taken by then no other player is worthy of the #2 pick that is not a QB no matter where they rank in the big board.

You can argue that Jonathan Allen can be had, but a 3rd consecutive DLineman taken with our first pick?? On top of the shoulder concerns??

Anybody you select at #2 not named Garrett is going to be considered a "reach"

Trading back is an option, but it takes 2 to Tango.

I'm not sold on any QB being taken #2. But at the end of the day. I can accept it knowing that QB was the best option. For my taste, I would rather take Watson than Trubs.

Mods - why was this moved? This is a big board and not a mock. Does anything with player rankings now go under Mocks?

Originally posted by gored49:

Originally posted by Luckycharms:

Nice job man. Got a couple guys I have in the top 50 that I don't see on your list. 1 being Gareon Conley CB from Ohio st and 2. Forrest Lamp G/T from Western Kentucky. What are your thoughts on them?

It is still pretty fluid after my top 50. I still have several small schoolers to watch and I always use the combine to look at physical freaks to see if they are more than that.

Right now, I have Lamp around the 50-60 range and Conley in the 60-75 range. Here are my thoughts on them:

Forrest Lamp - G/C - When I first started watching him my reaction was that he is such a "nuisance" to defenders rushing. If he gets in front of you he is hard to move. He is shaped like a brick and has lead feet once he anchors down and then turns into a wrestler with his arms/hands. I am afraid of his agility and foot quickness but even if it doesn't look pretty he more often gets the job done.

Gareon Conley - CB - he is physical but seems like his strength is just average. I question his long speed. He frequently relied on trying to get a head start or start flipping his hips early and i'm not sure if poor anticipation or he needed that head start to help him keep up. He could rise on my board if those fears are squashed. He does have good lateral movement which helps him to break up passes or undercut routes when he is in striking distance.

Lamp and Conley both proved to me with their combine they should be top 50. Lamp probly around 30-40 range and Conley 25-35. Also I think McCaffrey really impressed me, he looked like he could play WR as well. I would put him as my #1 RB, probly around 20th overall. For the record I do think Fournette is talented, I just think he will get banged up a lot and McCaffrey offers so much in the passing game and return game if needed. The kid is a complete stud.

Edit: Lastly I was really unimpressed by Dalvin Cooks performance, I thought his numbers in every catagory would be A LOT better. I don't normally care if a guy performs poorly in 1 or 2 drills because one misstep could really effect your 40 time or shuttle time, but when you score poorly (for his size and expectation) in pretty much everything like Cook did, I think I would knock him down a handful of spots. For me right now he's probly 40-50 on my big board.

47 out of 50 for me. smoot, mixon, Willis not in my top 50

Originally posted by HERN:

I'm all in for Garrett at #2.

With that being said, if hes taken by then no other player is worthy of the #2 pick that is not a QB no matter where they rank in the big board.

You can argue that Jonathan Allen can be had, but a 3rd consecutive DLineman taken with our first pick?? On top of the shoulder concerns??

Anybody you select at #2 not named Garrett is going to be considered a "reach"

Trading back is an option, but it takes 2 to Tango.

I'm not sold on any QB being taken #2. But at the end of the day. I can accept it knowing that QB was the best option. For my taste, I would rather take Watson than Trubs.

This although not sure about Watson or Trubs. Either would do right now.

Originally posted by gored49:

Mods - why was this moved? This is a big board and not a mock. Does anything with player rankings now go under Mocks?

Dont know. The two are closely related. pm me if you want it moved back.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by gored49:
Mods - why was this moved? This is a big board and not a mock. Does anything with player rankings now go under Mocks?

Dont know. The two are closely related. pm me if you want it moved back.

I don't really mind. I just want to know where to save each topic because I intend to update my big board throughout this process and then have a separate mock when we get closer to the draft. Thanks for the response.

Originally posted by davidboutte:
47 out of 50 for me. smoot, mixon, Willis not in my top 50

Smoot is debatable. It seems a lot of people aren't in a consensus with me. It just seemed like he made his presence felt frequently in games last year even if he wasn't able to finish some sacks.

Willis I liked before the combine. Let's see if more people bring him into their top 50 after his showing.

Where do you put Mixon? Is that comment based on his character? I was going on talent alone.

Originally posted by HERN:

I'm all in for Garrett at #2.

With that being said, if hes taken by then no other player is worthy of the #2 pick that is not a QB no matter where they rank in the big board.

You can argue that Jonathan Allen can be had, but a 3rd consecutive DLineman taken with our first pick?? On top of the shoulder concerns??

Anybody you select at #2 not named Garrett is going to be considered a "reach"

Trading back is an option, but it takes 2 to Tango.

I'm not sold on any QB being taken #2. But at the end of the day. I can accept it knowing that QB was the best option. For my taste, I would rather take Watson than Trubs.

That pretty much summarises it for me.