Lobo's 2017 mock

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by gored49:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by gored49:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by elguapo:
That safety is incredible. I have not seen that range in college maybe ever. Since ed reed I guess. I would not be disappointed if we got him or Thomas or Barrett

He's been compared to Earl Thomas and Ed Reed.

Overall, I really like the draft. I do have some critiques and concerns.

1. Too much hype on Hooker. I think he will be good but he will not be Earl Thomas. Thomas can do it all while Hooker is more of a pass defending and make the safe tackle safety. He will not blow anyone up like Thomas does frequently. Either way, I won't complain about the pick but I will have realistic expectations.

2. No Kelly no matter what. I don't want him even if an UDFA. No ACL picks and nobody that contradicts the type of culture the team is trying to instill.

I get the Hooker criticisms. I really do. But I also see him as the piece that starts this whole defensive remake.

I see Kelly as no risk, high reward. He pulls any more Kelly-stuff, he's gone. He grows up? We might have the steal of the draft.

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The big risk is that he's clean for 2-3 years, we commit to him as our starting QB, and then he threatens to shoot up a club again and we're without a QB. It's not as black and white as saying he's either a stud or he acts up and we cut him right away. It could be more like what happened with Aldon Smith where the guy keeps doing stupid s**t.

^Seconded

Again, it's a 7th round pick. Very low risk, possibility of very high reward. If Shanny doesn't see the maturity in him to be the FQB, then he won't be. But what if Kelly turns it around? Look out.

The risk isn't the 7th round pick - those almost never work out anyways. The risk is we give away practice reps at the most important position in football to a player we don't trust and it blows up in our faces 2-3 years from now.

If we draft Peterman (or another QB in the first 3-4 rounds), I don't want us giving away his reps to Chad Kelly who could legitimately win the starting job once he's healthy. If we still haven't drafted a QB and Chad Kelly is available in the 6th or 7th round, then I'd be okay with drafting him.

Dont think henderson makes it to round 6

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by gored49:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by gored49:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by elguapo:

That safety is incredible. I have not seen that range in college maybe ever. Since ed reed I guess. I would not be disappointed if we got him or Thomas or Barrett

He's been compared to Earl Thomas and Ed Reed.

Overall, I really like the draft. I do have some critiques and concerns.

1. Too much hype on Hooker. I think he will be good but he will not be Earl Thomas. Thomas can do it all while Hooker is more of a pass defending and make the safe tackle safety. He will not blow anyone up like Thomas does frequently. Either way, I won't complain about the pick but I will have realistic expectations.

2. No Kelly no matter what. I don't want him even if an UDFA. No ACL picks and nobody that contradicts the type of culture the team is trying to instill.

I get the Hooker criticisms. I really do. But I also see him as the piece that starts this whole defensive remake.

I see Kelly as no risk, high reward. He pulls any more Kelly-stuff, he's gone. He grows up? We might have the steal of the draft.

The big risk is that he's clean for 2-3 years, we commit to him as our starting QB, and then he threatens to shoot up a club again and we're without a QB. It's not as black and white as saying he's either a stud or he acts up and we cut him right away. It could be more like what happened with Aldon Smith where the guy keeps doing stupid s**t.

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^Seconded

Again, it's a 7th round pick. Very low risk, possibility of very high reward. If Shanny doesn't see the maturity in him to be the FQB, then he won't be. But what if Kelly turns it around? Look out.

The risk isn't the 7th round pick - those almost never work out anyways. The risk is we give away practice reps at the most important position in football to a player we don't trust and it blows up in our faces 2-3 years from now.

If we draft Peterman (or another QB in the first 3-4 rounds), I don't want us giving away his reps to Chad Kelly who could legitimately win the starting job once he's healthy. If we still haven't drafted a QB and Chad Kelly is available in the 6th or 7th round, then I'd be okay with drafting him.

Peterman is a multi year development. Im thinking they can find enough reps for everybody

Originally posted by xcfan:

Dont think henderson makes it to round 6

Yeah, I could see him rising. Same with Brown too. I used CBS rankings. It'll be fun to see MDs.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by gored49:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by gored49:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by elguapo:

That safety is incredible. I have not seen that range in college maybe ever. Since ed reed I guess. I would not be disappointed if we got him or Thomas or Barrett

He's been compared to Earl Thomas and Ed Reed.

Overall, I really like the draft. I do have some critiques and concerns.

1. Too much hype on Hooker. I think he will be good but he will not be Earl Thomas. Thomas can do it all while Hooker is more of a pass defending and make the safe tackle safety. He will not blow anyone up like Thomas does frequently. Either way, I won't complain about the pick but I will have realistic expectations.

2. No Kelly no matter what. I don't want him even if an UDFA. No ACL picks and nobody that contradicts the type of culture the team is trying to instill.

I get the Hooker criticisms. I really do. But I also see him as the piece that starts this whole defensive remake.

I see Kelly as no risk, high reward. He pulls any more Kelly-stuff, he's gone. He grows up? We might have the steal of the draft.

The big risk is that he's clean for 2-3 years, we commit to him as our starting QB, and then he threatens to shoot up a club again and we're without a QB. It's not as black and white as saying he's either a stud or he acts up and we cut him right away. It could be more like what happened with Aldon Smith where the guy keeps doing stupid s**t.

^Seconded

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Again, it's a 7th round pick. Very low risk, possibility of very high reward. If Shanny doesn't see the maturity in him to be the FQB, then he won't be. But what if Kelly turns it around? Look out.

The risk isn't the 7th round pick - those almost never work out anyways. The risk is we give away practice reps at the most important position in football to a player we don't trust and it blows up in our faces 2-3 years from now.

If we draft Peterman (or another QB in the first 3-4 rounds), I don't want us giving away his reps to Chad Kelly who could legitimately win the starting job once he's healthy. If we still haven't drafted a QB and Chad Kelly is available in the 6th or 7th round, then I'd be okay with drafting him.

Peterman is a multi year development. Im thinking they can find enough reps for everybody

Multi year development? Based on....?

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by gored49:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by gored49:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by elguapo:

That safety is incredible. I have not seen that range in college maybe ever. Since ed reed I guess. I would not be disappointed if we got him or Thomas or Barrett

He's been compared to Earl Thomas and Ed Reed.

Overall, I really like the draft. I do have some critiques and concerns.

1. Too much hype on Hooker. I think he will be good but he will not be Earl Thomas. Thomas can do it all while Hooker is more of a pass defending and make the safe tackle safety. He will not blow anyone up like Thomas does frequently. Either way, I won't complain about the pick but I will have realistic expectations.

2. No Kelly no matter what. I don't want him even if an UDFA. No ACL picks and nobody that contradicts the type of culture the team is trying to instill.

I get the Hooker criticisms. I really do. But I also see him as the piece that starts this whole defensive remake.

I see Kelly as no risk, high reward. He pulls any more Kelly-stuff, he's gone. He grows up? We might have the steal of the draft.

The big risk is that he's clean for 2-3 years, we commit to him as our starting QB, and then he threatens to shoot up a club again and we're without a QB. It's not as black and white as saying he's either a stud or he acts up and we cut him right away. It could be more like what happened with Aldon Smith where the guy keeps doing stupid s**t.

^Seconded

Again, it's a 7th round pick. Very low risk, possibility of very high reward. If Shanny doesn't see the maturity in him to be the FQB, then he won't be. But what if Kelly turns it around? Look out.

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The risk isn't the 7th round pick - those almost never work out anyways. The risk is we give away practice reps at the most important position in football to a player we don't trust and it blows up in our faces 2-3 years from now.

If we draft Peterman (or another QB in the first 3-4 rounds), I don't want us giving away his reps to Chad Kelly who could legitimately win the starting job once he's healthy. If we still haven't drafted a QB and Chad Kelly is available in the 6th or 7th round, then I'd be okay with drafting him.

Peterman is a multi year development. Im thinking they can find enough reps for everybody

Multi year development? Based on....?

Do you think he's ready to start sooner? I don't see it. He's got a 3/4 round grade for a few reasons, no? Do a lot of quarterbacks come in, year 1, and light it up in the WCO? Seems pretty rare to me. I see all of these QBs as multi year developments - except maybe Kelly. But he has too many red flags to think he'd be anything other than a multiyear as well (based on maturity).

Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Do you think he's ready to start sooner? I don't see it. He's got a 3/4 round grade for a few reasons, no? Do a lot of quarterbacks come in, year 1, and light it up in the WCO? Seems pretty rare to me. I see all of these QBs as multi year developments - except maybe Kelly. But he has too many red flags to think he'd be anything other than a multiyear as well (based on maturity).

Agreed. NONE of these QB's are ready to start, let alone in a WCO which take 2-3 years sitting anyhow and another 2 actually playing before you're close to mastering it.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Do you think he's ready to start sooner? I don't see it. He's got a 3/4 round grade for a few reasons, no? Do a lot of quarterbacks come in, year 1, and light it up in the WCO? Seems pretty rare to me. I see all of these QBs as multi year developments - except maybe Kelly. But he has too many red flags to think he'd be anything other than a multiyear as well (based on maturity).

Is it ideal for him to sit? Yes. Is he going to light it up right away? Highly doubtful. Is he going to be better in year 2 or year 3 than year one? Highly probable.

But he doesn't have to come in and master anything. He doesnt have to come in and light anything up. That doesn't mean he has to sit for 2 or 3 years. Hell his competition is Hoyer and Barkley. Stands a chance he could actually look as good or better immediately.


But to answer your question. Didn't RGIII come from a spread system and win ROTY in a WCO? Didn't small school Wentz come in and play pretty decent in a WCO? Peterman hss a 3rd 4th round grade because of his physical attributes (or lack thereof ) but I'm sure some would argue he's more ready than Wentz or RGIII as far as the learning curve. He'll didn't he learn 3 offenses in 3 years including running a pro style offense his final year?

Again, doesn't have to light it up. But not necessarily a 3 year development project either.

Not a fan of Witherspoon. He just flat out refuses to stick his nose in the run game.

That cost Colorado 2 TD's vs Michigan

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Not a fan of Witherspoon. He just flat out refuses to stick his nose in the run game.

That cost Colorado 2 TD's vs Michigan

He not perfect by any stretch, but he shares some eerie physical similarities to Sherman. I looked hard for a 6'+ CB who can jump out of the building (like Sherman can). This unusual pairing of height and vertical is part of what makes it so hard to throw over the top of Sherman. I wanted a CB that would be there in day 2 or 3. I only found one, and I think he's going to be pretty darn good in the right scheme (ours).