2017 NCommand's Mock Draft

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:

1. First round: Own pick, 2 --- QB Mitch Trubisky
2. Second round: Own pick, 34 --- ER Jordan Willis
3. Third round: Own pick, 66 --- G Dion Dawkins
4. Fourth round: Own pick, 109 --- WILL Elijah Lee
5. Fourth round: Compensatory, 143 --- ZWR Josh Malone
6. Fifth round: Own pick, 146 --- CB Brian Allen
7. Fifth round: From Washington, 161 --- 1T/NT Ryan Glasgow

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Solid B for Trubs in rd 1.. the only QB that I'd say this for.
C/C+ for Willis... just not buying the Combine numbers when I watch him.. but respect the position selected.
Solid B for Dawkins.. solid OL with some versatility, imo.
C+ for Lee. Nice cover LB, but he will get eaten up on blocks in the run game.
B/B- for Malone.. Fine value, and he checks some nice boxes.
A grade for Allen.. but just use him as more of a press CB please.
INC .. value looks good enough.. but I never really thought of him as a NT.. hmmmm... something to reconsider.

Overall, I like it, NC. Keep being you, good sir.

Whoohoo. I got the Mr. Mcgibblets seal of approval! That's legit and not easy to do.

I certainly get your concern about Willis but I think ranking second in the country with QB pressures is a pretty good indication of being a disruptive force. It means he's getting there, maturing, but just needs refinement on technique and coaching and development at the next level IMHO and the closing will come.

You're right about Willis too. I see him as needing a year in the weight room and development behind Smith. The WILL will be more free to rack up tackles and that's what he's best suited for.

Love the analysis, my man. Thank you!!

One of the best mocks so far, really like the Willis, Dawkins, Malone, Allen picks except not sure that Lynch/Shanny go QB at #2. I see them going defense there, even with a trade down to #8.
My preference is Adams at #2, would become Niners new field general on defense and locker room leader (ala Ronnie Lott). Adams won 't make it to #8, so at #8 I lean to either Barnett of Foster. I could see them waiting till next year for QB and have them taking a flyer on Zack Terrell with the 7th RD pick this draft.

Originally posted by crew:
One of the best mocks so far, really like the Willis, Dawkins, Malone, Allen picks except not sure that Lynch/Shanny go QB at #2. I see them going defense there, even with a trade down to #8.
My preference is Adams at #2, would become Niners new field general on defense and locker room leader (ala Ronnie Lott). Adams won 't make it to #8, so at #8 I lean to either Barnett of Foster. I could see them waiting till next year for QB and have them taking a flyer on Zack Terrell with the 7th RD pick this draft.

Thanks my man. Yeah that #2 is the most polarizing pick I can remember. Yeah, Hoyer was talking about how hard this offense is to learn so it's going to take a couple/few years to learn it and get down. You better start now so that when Hoyer's contact ends in two years, the QB will be ready. We just can't count on Cousins unfortunately (as much as I'd like too).

Here's that great interview with Brian Hoyer that gives you some insight into the challenges/timelines of learning this WCO. Clearly he notes "it wasn't easy" and you can pick up on the learning curve, timelines and his role in helping to teach it to others (i.e. a rookie QB).

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/source-49ers-visit-florida-state-running-back

Given Hoyer has had a couple more years to digest the offense, you get the sense both he and Kyle could have a really nice year together, even as early as this year, given where they are at professionally and within this offense and their mastery of it.

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
1. First round: Own pick, 2 --- QB Mitch Trubisky
2. Second round: Own pick, 34 --- ER Jordan Willis
3. Third round: Own pick, 66 --- G Dion Dawkins
4. Fourth round: Own pick, 109 --- WILL Elijah Lee
5. Fourth round: Compensatory, 143 --- ZWR Josh Malone
6. Fifth round: Own pick, 146 --- CB Brian Allen
7. Fifth round: From Washington, 161 --- 1T/NT Ryan Glasgow

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Solid B for Trubs in rd 1.. the only QB that I'd say this for.
C/C+ for Willis... just not buying the Combine numbers when I watch him.. but respect the position selected.
Solid B for Dawkins.. solid OL with some versatility, imo.
C+ for Lee. Nice cover LB, but he will get eaten up on blocks in the run game.
B/B- for Malone.. Fine value, and he checks some nice boxes.
A grade for Allen.. but just use him as more of a press CB please.
INC .. value looks good enough.. but I never really thought of him as a NT.. hmmmm... something to reconsider.

Overall, I like it, NC. Keep being you, good sir.

Not a huge fan of Trubisky at #2, but I like the rest of the mock a lot and it's realistic.

Willis is underrated and won't be there in the 3rd round regardless of what CBS's big board says right now. He's too productive and has too good of a combination of size/motor/productivity/athleticism to fall that far.

Dawkins would be a great fit here in my opinion, but I think he'll be taken in the 2nd round, especially given how weak this offensive line class is. He has good athleticism for a guard with great length (35" arms) and may be able to play OT too. Maybe we can trade back slightly in the first or second rounds and use whatever pick we give up to move up for Dawkins.

I love the Elijah Lee pick as a developmental WILL - he's got potential to be a solid starter and we need linebackers who can cover.

Good mock and I agree with taking Trubisky at 2. Should Cousins become available just trade Mitch. But if he doesn't become available you now have your guy in place and ready to go. It's like you said about this offense taking years to learn. The longer you delay this the longer we're held back.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Good mock and I agree with taking Trubisky at 2. Should Cousins become available just trade Mitch. But if he doesn't become available you now have your guy in place and ready to go. It's like you said about this offense taking years to learn. The longer you delay this the longer we're held back.

Boom. That was another point I forgot to mention. Thank you. We could always go Belichick/Garoppolo if we needed too.

Under Kyle, Trubisky would be seen as properly developed with massive upside able to play in both a spread or pro-style WCO offense. So if we did end up with Cousins, we'd be able to trade him like the Pats have done so many times or just not rush his development as much and push Cousins in a few years.

I also wouldn't even mind drafting Nathan Peterman in the 3rd just to make sure you have this position taken care of in year 1. A FQB is THE most important pick in the draft and ShanaLynch have expressed that a dozen times since being hired here. They get it.

Now the question remains, does Kyle Shanahan feel Trubisky has all the traits that he can groom into a FQB? If yes, this is a no-brainer. One thing many hold against Mitch is his low amount of snaps overall. But if he has all the traits, that may actually end up being an ATTRACTION to Kyle b/c he's getting a clean slate and won't have to retool poor college habits.

Second to last (I promise) 49ers Mock Draft with NO trades projected.

First Round 2nd Overall: Malik Hooker, S, Ohio State: Lattimore, Solomon Thomas and even Fournette get serious consideration here. But I think we go with the best player who also has the most upside and that's Malik Hooker. We know how critical the FS position in this new defense and I think Hooker will be every bit as good as a Earl Thomas who is obviously an outstanding player and I think Malik Hooker will be an Ed Reed GREAT player. We could then keep Jimmy Ward at CB. I hope we take Hooker at 2 and I have a gut feeling he will be the guy as well. I still do hope we can trade down if we can get good value.

2nd rd: Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan: truth be told I do think we would have to move up 5-10 spots to get Davis but I do see some mock drafts having him land to us at 34 which would be so ideal, perfect and amazing. If Davis is gone I'm all in on Charles Harris. Or if we go WR I like Cooper Kupp and I'm really liking this Zay Jones kid more and more.

3rd rd: Akello Whiterspoon, CB, Colorado: Really like this kid. Huge upside, would fit great in this D and he actually reminds me a lot of Rashard Robinson who looks like he will be a player. Jordan Willis could get a look here if we go DE or we could go for Peterman here but I hope....

4th rd: Jordan Nathan Peterman, QB, Pittsburgh: Really solid prospect who I compare to Jake Plummer who had some really good years under Mike Shanahan....

4th rd (comp pick): Terrell Bashan, DE, Ohio U: One of my favorite players in the draft. Yeah he's under 6 feet and that's the only reason he won't be a second or third round pick but this kid is an absolute player. I think he's a poor man's Dwight Freeney. Just a really good football player.

5th rd: Marlon Mack, RB, South Florida: We will take a RB just a matter of where. If Alvin Kamara is available in the 4th rd I think/hope we can jump on him. Mack is a solid prospect and good fit in the scheme.

5th rd: Dalvin Tomlinson, DT, Alabama

6th rd: Elijah Lee, OLB, Kansas State

6th rd: Aviante Collins, OT, TCU

7th rd: Avery Moss, DE, Youngstown State

7th rd: Damontae Kazee, CB, San Diego State

As always I appreciate the feedback...

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Good mock and I agree with taking Trubisky at 2. Should Cousins become available just trade Mitch. But if he doesn't become available you now have your guy in place and ready to go. It's like you said about this offense taking years to learn. The longer you delay this the longer we're held back.

Boom. That was another point I forgot to mention. Thank you. We could always go Belichick/Garoppolo if we needed too.

Under Kyle, Trubisky would be seen as properly developed with massive upside able to play in both a spread or pro-style WCO offense. So if we did end up with Cousins, we'd be able to trade him like the Pats have done so many times or just not rush his development as much and push Cousins in a few years.

I also wouldn't even mind drafting Nathan Peterman in the 3rd just to make sure you have this position taken care of in year 1. A FQB is THE most important pick in the draft and ShanaLynch have expressed that a dozen times since being hired here. They get it.

Now the question remains, does Kyle Shanahan feel Trubisky has all the traits that he can groom into a FQB? If yes, this is a no-brainer. One thing many hold against Mitch is his low amount of snaps overall. But if he has all the traits, that may actually end up being an ATTRACTION to Kyle b/c he's getting a clean slate and won't have to retool poor college habits.

This is actually all the more reason NOT to go the Mitch route at #2.

Why use a 2nd overall pick on someone that in the BEST CASE SCENARIO will be better served as trade bait.

If the 2nd overall pick NOW can't garner us any a great deal of assets. How is trading away a QB teams KNOW you have to trade (u see your Cousins scenario) going to garner anything close to what we can get for the #2 pick now?

Not too mention next year's class is supposed to be better which would e en further dilute any leverage we may have.

To me any QB and Thomas would be wasted picks at #2.

Originally posted by krizay:
This is actually all the more reason NOT to go the Mitch route at #2.

Why use a 2nd overall pick on someone that in the BEST CASE SCENARIO will be better served as trade bait.

If the 2nd overall pick NOW can't garner us any a great deal of assets. How is trading away a QB teams KNOW you have to trade (u see your Cousins scenario) going to garner anything close to what we can get for the #2 pick now?

Not too mention next year's class is supposed to be better which would e en further dilute any leverage we may have.

To me any QB and Thomas would be wasted picks at #2.

Because that scenario is only a possibility. QB's typically don't hit fa and I don't think it's a great plan to wait on Cousins. Wsh can tag him or he could choose to play for the transition tag rather than risk Wsh matching so now you may be waiting 2 years. And if they extend him it's over with. As for next year's class what if we win 6 games? Best case scenario is he's the real deal and we pass on Cousins who realistically is not a SB qb anyways. He's good but more like a 7 out of 10. We wouldn't have to trade him next year though. You wait until the right opportunity and clean up. You could pull a Bradford with him and hit up a desperate team.

Originally posted by krizay:

This is actually all the more reason NOT to go the Mitch route at #2.

Why use a 2nd overall pick on someone that in the BEST CASE SCENARIO will be better served as trade bait.

If the 2nd overall pick NOW can't garner us any a great deal of assets. How is trading away a QB teams KNOW you have to trade (u see your Cousins scenario) going to garner anything close to what we can get for the #2 pick now?

Not too mention next year's class is supposed to be better which would e en further dilute any leverage we may have.

To me any QB and Thomas would be wasted picks at #2.

Can't plan for 2018. We don't know for sure how the KC situation is going to play out. We don't know what qb in next years draft is going to be good. We also don't know where we will be drafting, or if we can move up to get one next year.

We can plan for how we attack this draft. If Kyle sees a FQB in this draft then take him and mic drop. I don't care that we might've been able to get him later. I don't care if 2 seems like a reach for Biscuit or Mahomes. The value of a FQB >>>> #2 pick in the draft. Kyle certainly knows more about what it takes to play NFL qb than I do, and probably most others.

If we end up getting KC, then I'm still good with it. Mitchell busts? Still have KC, a FQB. Mitchell develops? Now we're rich at the QB position. How in the world could that be considered a negative? Please, give me that problem.

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:
Second to last (I promise)

As always I appreciate the feedback...

Here's my feedback to you putting your mock in my thread.



Just kidding...nice mock though!

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Good mock and I agree with taking Trubisky at 2. Should Cousins become available just trade Mitch. But if he doesn't become available you now have your guy in place and ready to go. It's like you said about this offense taking years to learn. The longer you delay this the longer we're held back.

Boom. That was another point I forgot to mention. Thank you. We could always go Belichick/Garoppolo if we needed too.

Under Kyle, Trubisky would be seen as properly developed with massive upside able to play in both a spread or pro-style WCO offense. So if we did end up with Cousins, we'd be able to trade him like the Pats have done so many times or just not rush his development as much and push Cousins in a few years.

I also wouldn't even mind drafting Nathan Peterman in the 3rd just to make sure you have this position taken care of in year 1. A FQB is THE most important pick in the draft and ShanaLynch have expressed that a dozen times since being hired here. They get it.

Now the question remains, does Kyle Shanahan feel Trubisky has all the traits that he can groom into a FQB? If yes, this is a no-brainer. One thing many hold against Mitch is his low amount of snaps overall. But if he has all the traits, that may actually end up being an ATTRACTION to Kyle b/c he's getting a clean slate and won't have to retool poor college habits.

This is actually all the more reason NOT to go the Mitch route at #2.

Why use a 2nd overall pick on someone that in the BEST CASE SCENARIO will be better served as trade bait.

If the 2nd overall pick NOW can't garner us any a great deal of assets. How is trading away a QB teams KNOW you have to trade (u see your Cousins scenario) going to garner anything close to what we can get for the #2 pick now?

Not too mention next year's class is supposed to be better which would e en further dilute any leverage we may have.

To me any QB and Thomas would be wasted picks at #2.

"You need two QB's in this league" ~ Kyle Shanahan.

I'd have no issues drafting Nathan Peterman as well in the 3rd or 4th and absolutely stacking this position (under the scenario we DO get Kirk Cousins). Then you have Cousins, Trubisky and Peterman next year. If Cousins balls out for a couple years, teams start talking about Trubisky like they are now about Jimmy Garoppolo. And we don't consider a deal unless some team gives us the world. If not, you have your young Trubisky challenging Cousins in year 3 and it's another win-win.

It takes years to develop these QB's (esp. now b/c of the college spread offenses) so why not cover ALL of your bases around the single most important position on the field?

ShanaLynch's career depends on it.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Can't plan for 2018. We don't know for sure how the KC situation is going to play out. We don't know what qb in next years draft is going to be good. We also don't know where we will be drafting, or if we can move up to get one next year.

We can plan for how we attack this draft. If Kyle sees a FQB in this draft then take him and mic drop. I don't care that we might've been able to get him later. I don't care if 2 seems like a reach for Biscuit or Mahomes. The value of a FQB >>>> #2 pick in the draft. Kyle certainly knows more about what it takes to play NFL qb than I do, and probably most others.

If we end up getting KC, then I'm still good with it. Mitchell busts? Still have KC, a FQB. Mitchell develops? Now we're rich at the QB position. How in the world could that be considered a negative? Please, give me that problem.

This.

What is an "ER"?

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
What is an "ER"?

Edge rusher

Originally posted by NCommand:
Here's my feedback to you putting your mock in my thread.