2017 NCommand's Mock Draft

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Doing a re-read, just thot of the beauty of a Trubs pick...or certainly "advertising " the fact we want Trubs. This puts Cleve in a bind, if they want Trubs . That means they have to fish or cut bait with Myles. If as advertised, Cleve wants Trubs, then our considering Trubs as our #1 pick, means they either give up the .Myles pick and take Trubs,which is the general consensus, or they take Myles and give up on their #1 QB pick. If this is the case, then Shalyn just applied the nut cutters to Cleve's balz. They obviously aren't going to get both.
Shrewd move by our guys. However, I think Cleve has their eyes set on Watson, not Trubs. And in that case, our taking Trubs wouldn't bother them. Be an interesting situation tho if Trubs is their boy. Then they have to decide, Myles or Trubs.

If that is the situation, then they have an option.. Swapping firsts with us. IF they do, then we can offer them swaps for a 6 pack...they ought to see the irony in that, because that is what they charged Philly last yr for the #1 Qb....2 ones, 2 twos, and 2 threes...and all but the ones could be this yr i think. I've gone over this scenario a dozen times or more, and still am not sure if we should do it or not. Sure makes a lot of sense, but having DeFo AND Myles ...ummm....sound like Patrick and Cowboy? Sure made me think of that. Anyway, no way of knowing what Cleve is going to do at QB. But we know this. If they screw QB pick up one more time, everyone will be fired , including their owner. This would be their third screw up at QB and may be their 4th. Have to check that.

Oh, in re-reading my post above, i saw the "we could finesse the AA issue if we took Trubs instead of Solomon." Anyone not understand that, let me know. Late, it occurred to me some fans here may not play bridge.and that may have been confusing.

I'll tell you what, it wouldn't be fair if Cleveland walked out of the first round with both Garrett and Trubisky but it can happen. But, man, oh man, if they do cash in their chips and give them all to us for the #2 pick or DO take Trubisky #1 leaving us with either a full scale sprint to the podium for Garrett or...wait for it...a monster trade-back opportunity, which direction do you go then?

Garrett IS the consensus #1 pick and every team badly needs an edge rusher. We could probably get as much for him in a trade as a perceived FQB (like last year with the Rams/Eagles). Then you can take Barnett as your edge rusher and have several more picks this year and next to build on.

What would you do if Garrett falls to us at #2?

Originally posted by NCommand:
Correct, Peterman would certainly push Barkley off the roster (Hoyer, Trubisky & Peterman). Remember RGIII vs. Cousins? Why couldn't Peterman genuinely push Trubisky? How many cases have we seen in the NFL where the 2nd or 3rd QB taken ends up eventually, beating out the top pick. But you're right...we'd give Trubisky every opportunity. Yeah, good call on Tomlinson...I really like him too. We've met with Julie'n Davenport, Tim Williams, Kareem Hunt & Carlos Henderson around that area too.

I like having Barkley on the team. It ensures we can sit Mitchell for most of the year. Hoyer is not exactly the most durable man in the world. Fair point on the rest I guess but so many good players, so many needs.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Correct, Peterman would certainly push Barkley off the roster (Hoyer, Trubisky & Peterman). Remember RGIII vs. Cousins? Why couldn't Peterman genuinely push Trubisky? How many cases have we seen in the NFL where the 2nd or 3rd QB taken ends up eventually, beating out the top pick. But you're right...we'd give Trubisky every opportunity. Yeah, good call on Tomlinson...I really like him too. We've met with Julie'n Davenport, Tim Williams, Kareem Hunt & Carlos Henderson around that area too.

I like having Barkley on the team. It ensures we can sit Mitchell for most of the year. Hoyer is not exactly the most durable man in the world. Fair point on the rest I guess but so many good players, so many needs.

For sure...totally get that. Yeah, Barkley might end up being a better player than Peterman and there may be another Peterman-like QB next year in the mid-rounds; I'm just thinking from ShanaLynch's perspective, they'd probably like to get their guys in year 1 and just be done with that position for foreseeable future.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Doing a re-read, just thot of the beauty of a Trubs pick...or certainly "advertising " the fact we want Trubs. This puts Cleve in a bind, if they want Trubs . That means they have to fish or cut bait with Myles. If as advertised, Cleve wants Trubs, then our considering Trubs as our #1 pick, means they either give up the .Myles pick and take Trubs,which is the general consensus, or they take Myles and give up on their #1 QB pick. If this is the case, then Shalyn just applied the nut cutters to Cleve's balz. They obviously aren't going to get both.
Shrewd move by our guys. However, I think Cleve has their eyes set on Watson, not Trubs. And in that case, our taking Trubs wouldn't bother them. Be an interesting situation tho if Trubs is their boy. Then they have to decide, Myles or Trubs.

If that is the situation, then they have an option.. Swapping firsts with us. IF they do, then we can offer them swaps for a 6 pack...they ought to see the irony in that, because that is what they charged Philly last yr for the #1 Qb....2 ones, 2 twos, and 2 threes...and all but the ones could be this yr i think. I've gone over this scenario a dozen times or more, and still am not sure if we should do it or not. Sure makes a lot of sense, but having DeFo AND Myles ...ummm....sound like Patrick and Cowboy? Sure made me think of that. Anyway, no way of knowing what Cleve is going to do at QB. But we know this. If they screw QB pick up one more time, everyone will be fired , including their owner. This would be their third screw up at QB and may be their 4th. Have to check that.

Oh, in re-reading my post above, i saw the "we could finesse the AA issue if we took Trubs instead of Solomon." Anyone not understand that, let me know. Late, it occurred to me some fans here may not play bridge.and that may have been confusing.

I'll tell you what, it wouldn't be fair if Cleveland walked out of the first round with both Garrett and Trubisky but it can happen. But, man, oh man, if they do cash in their chips and give them all to us for the #2 pick or DO take Trubisky #1 leaving us with either a full scale sprint to the podium for Garrett or...wait for it...a monster trade-back opportunity, which direction do you go then?

Garrett IS the consensus #1 pick and every team badly needs an edge rusher. We could probably get as much for him in a trade as a perceived FQB (like last year with the Rams/Eagles). Then you can take Barnett as your edge rusher and have several more picks this year and next to build on.

What would you do if Garrett falls to us at #2?

hmmm....I've only been over this scenario a dozen times or more, thinking it thru, the probable 2 EXTRA starters this yr, and the potential for as many as 3 or 4 extra starters. Not only that, all but a first and i think a 3rd could be THIS YR'S picks. Then we get an extra #1 next yr. IF, IF, IF....a whole bunch of IFs, when you look at just exactly who that might mean just THIS yr alone, PLUS an extra #1 next yr, and knowing Cleve, it would probably be a high one. All that stacked up against Myles....There the only thing i can think of is P-52 and Cowboy, and how those two guys worked together to shred an Offense. I think my heart says Myles but my head says multiple starters this yr. I can make a case for either, but smart money really should be on the 6 pak. The irony of doing this with/to Cleve can't be lost on anyone. Would they do it? Hell yeah, they got so many picks, they are looking at creative ways to get rid of those picks. Might as well be us. Still doesn't mean i wouldn't want Myles...but 4-6 starters....really good starters for a trade??? Tough call, but reason probably wins out and you go for the the multiple STARTERS....not just talent, but STARTERS. That is the key.

The other thing is, usually there is a top tier, followed by a really good crop of guys just under top tier. This yr, there is a top 1 man tier, and then a huge bunch at the tier 2 level. No , not AS good, but still, you are talking STARTERS, and that is where we are hurting. True, we are missing the tier one guys even worse, and generally, quality is always better over quantity...except here, you have one unique guy and a bunch of starters just below him. It isn't the usual quality vs quantitiy conundrum, due in large part to the very large group all stacked into the 2nd tier...and most of those guys are ALL QUALITY...just not Myles' quality.

Did i answer your question? I hope so. Like i mentioned earlier, this is my big FAIL....answering "around" the question, not giving a direct answer.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Did i answer your question?

Haha...like how a clock works!

Originally posted by NCommand:

I'll tell you what, it wouldn't be fair if Cleveland walked out of the first round with both Garrett and Trubisky but it can happen. But, man, oh man, if they do cash in their chips and give them all to us for the #2 pick or DO take Trubisky #1 leaving us with either a full scale sprint to the podium for Garrett or...wait for it...a monster trade-back opportunity, which direction do you go then?

Garrett IS the consensus #1 pick and every team badly needs an edge rusher. We could probably get as much for him in a trade as a perceived FQB (like last year with the Rams/Eagles). Then you can take Barnett as your edge rusher and have several more picks this year and next to build on.

What would you do if Garrett falls to us at #2?

This is exactly what's gonna happen,...THERES NO WAY CLEVELAND CAN FCUK THIS DRAFT UP...THEY WILL BE THE WINNERS OF THIS DRAFT

Originally posted by dmax:
This is exactly what's gonna happen,...THERES NO WAY CLEVELAND CAN FCUK THIS DRAFT UP...THEY WILL BE THE WINNERS OF THIS DRAFT

The NFL God's would NEVER let that happen...hehe.

Reminder: the ShanaLynch era does not start until they take a FQB in the draft.

"With the second pick of the 2017 NFL draft, the San Francisco 49ers select, Mitchell Trubisky, QB, North Carolina."

Locked in for 5 years.

if we cant get garrett...i'd go for either of the two stud wrs

Originally posted by dmax:
if we cant get garrett...i'd go for either of the two stud wrs

I would not be mad at all. I love Williams. And Davis reminds me so much of T.O.

Ca n we have both? LOL

Draft fornette. Pick up Chad Kelly in 5 or 6 round. Wait on cousins next year. Profit

even if I don't like trubisky, I think you are jumping up 10 spots to get him. I think it would be more palatable if you traded back and got him. We would be the only team seeing his value at 2 I wholeheartedly believe.

Originally posted by NCommand:

I would not be mad at all. I love Williams. And Davis reminds me so much of T.O.

Ca n we have both? LOL

If we play our CARDS right..HELL YES
What would it take to get it done?

Originally posted by fan49:
even if I don't like trubisky, I think you are jumping up 10 spots to get him. I think it would be more palatable if you traded back and got him. We would be the only team seeing his value at 2 I wholeheartedly believe.

The second you trade back, someone is trading up to get him. Period. He'll go in the top 5. Book it.

Ideally, I agree, but really, what's the difference between #2 vs. #10 (he would never get by the Bills here)?

If he's Kyle's guy, just pick him. This is especially important when you are talking about QB...and even more so for a WCO...and even more so for Kyle's WCO.

Originally posted by dmax:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I would not be mad at all. I love Williams. And Davis reminds me so much of T.O.

Ca n we have both? LOL

If we play our CARDS right..HELL YES
What would it take to get it done?

Well, honestly, if we traded back, we could get Williams around 10 and reports are Davis could fall to the end of the 1st or into the 2nd. So technically, we may not even have to move. LOL

Had a little fun if we, in fact, did trade back to #12 with Cleveland and acquired their #12, #33, #65 & #108. They take QB Mitchell Trubisky at #2.

1. First round: Own pick, 12 --- Derek Barnett Tennessee ER --- #2 ER on MD's Board
2. Second round: Cleveland, 33 --- Evan Engram Mississippi TE --- #2 TE on MD's Board
3. Second round: Own pick, 34 --- Ahkello Witherspoon Colorado CB --- #7 CB; perfect fit CB
4. Third round: Cleveland, 65 --- Nathan Peterman Pittsburgh QB --- #1 pro-style college QB
5. Third round: Own pick, 66 --- Dion Dawkins Temple G --- #2 G on MD's Board / ZBS experience
6. Fourth round: Cleveland, 108 --- Blair Brown Ohio LB --- #8 LB on MD's Board (favorite of his)
7. Fourth round: Own pick, 109 --- Ethan Pocic LSU C --- #1 C on MD's Board
8. Fourth round: Compensatory, 143 --- Keion Adams Western Michigan ER --- Frank Clark ER-role
9. Fifth round: Own pick, 146 --- Josh Malone Tennessee WR --- Big-bodied ZWR
10. Fifth round: From Washington, 161 --- Eddie Vanderdoes UCLA NT --- 1T
11. Sixth round: From Baltimore, 198 --- James Conner Pittsburgh RB --- Depth RB; inactive
12. Sixth round: From Denver, 202 --- CJ Beathard Iowa QB PS QB - Pro-style Practice Squad QB
13. Seventh round: From Cleveland, 219 --- Artavis Scott Clemson WR --- YWR & P/KR

Final 50 (3 ST): Rookie

Offense --- 26
QB: Brian Hoyer; Matt Barkley & Nathan Peterman
RB1: Carlos Hyde; Tim Hightower
RB2: DuJuan Harris; James Conner
FB: Kyle Juszczyk
TE1: Evan Engram
TE2: Vance McDonald; Logan Paulsen
XWR: Pierre Garcon; Marquise Goodwin
YWR: Jeremy Kerley; Artavis Scott (P/KR)
ZWR: Josh Malone; Aldrick Robinson
LOT: Joe Staley
LG: Joshua Garnett; Zane Beadles
C: Jeremy Zuttah; Ethan Pocic
RG: Dion Dawkins; Daniel Kilgore
ROT: Trenton Brown; Gary Gilliam

Defense --- 24
LDE: DeForest Bucker; Quinton Dial
NT: Eddie Vanderdoes; Earl Mitchell
RDT: Arik Armstead; Ronald Blair
ELEPHANT: Derek Barnett; Aaron Lynch
SAM: Blair Brown; Keion Adams & Dekoda Watson
MIKE: Navarro Bowman
WILL: Malcolm Smith; Ray-Ray Armstrong
LCB: Rashard Robinson; Dontae Johnson
RCB: Ahkello Witherspoon
NCB: Keith Reaser
SLOT/CB: Will Redmond; K'Waun Williams
FS: Jimmie Ward; Don Jones II
SS: Jaquiski Tartt; Eric Reid

Analysis: Teams average 2.3 starters per draft. 3 is your goal and that includes ST starters and key role players/starters (like a nickel pass rusher or dime cornerback). We get a ridiculous 9 potential starters from this draft (in part b/c of a depleted roster). Evan Engram, Josh Malone, Dion Dawkins, Eddie Vanderdoes, Blair Brown, Derek Barnett & Ahkello Witherspoon have a legit chance to carve out starting roles. Keion Adams has a chance to carve out a 60-70% nickel pass rush role and Artavis Scott stays active on game days as a punt and kickoff return specialist. Nathan Peterman, James Conner and Ethan Pocic all get to learn from veterans in front of them while having plenty of raw talent to move up the depth chart. And even CJ Beathard has a chance to develop on the PS.