4ML's 4 rounds Mock 1.0 (Saquon falls)

anything with barkley i love. But are you relying on tomlison at guard? kilgore is not average lol

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Imo McFadden isn't a 2nd rd pick, there are other DBs they will be taken before him and move up the boards (and I'm a FSU fan)

Hernandez isn't a fit for ZBS. I'm not sure you need to spend a 3rd on Desmond Harrison either.

I just can't see Barkley falling to 9th, you say Crabtree fell but Barkley didn't have a injury or a diva attitude.

I also don't see your FAs as monster upgrades for a pass rush.

Sorry my man not my favorite mock BUT a lot can change-thanks!

Thanks for your comments. I appreciate that.

Right now McFadden is projected to go in 2nd rd on many draft boards - so I'm going by that. Of course he can fall. We have late 2nd rd pick and early 3rd round picks - so not too far apart. Plus, I have two other CBs as second and third option with that pick (Nick Nelson and Mike Hughes). Point is - I'd like them to invest a 2nd rd pick on a CB they like the most available at that spot.

Fine point on Hernandez and that's why I included another option of Isaiah Wynn. I really like Hernandez but yes he doesn't exactly fit the scheme. Isaiah Wynn does.

RBs have a history of falling in the draft and there are lot of high potential RBs in the draft. Again, someone dropping 5 picks in top 10 isn't a huge drop off and can happen - especially at RB, G and MLB position when you have 5-6 QBs who are likely to go in top 20 picks.

There won't be monster DE available in FA. I'm not a fan of Ansah. 9 of his 12 sacks came against Giants, Bengals, and Aaron Rodgerless Packers. He's super inconsistent with technique and effort and that'll likely get worse once he gets paid. Dallas isn't letting Lawrence go. After that - unfortunately there are no monster upgrades available in FA.

Completely agree with bolded.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Thanks for your comments. I appreciate that.

Right now McFadden is projected to go in 2nd rd on many draft boards - so I'm going by that. Of course he can fall. We have late 2nd rd pick and early 3rd round picks - so not too far apart. Plus, I have two other CBs as second and third option with that pick (Nick Nelson and Mike Hughes). Point is - I'd like them to invest a 2nd rd pick on a CB they like the most available at that spot.

Fine point on Hernandez and that's why I included another option of Isaiah Wynn. I really like Hernandez but yes he doesn't exactly fit the scheme. Isaiah Wynn does.

RBs have a history of falling in the draft and there are lot of high potential RBs in the draft. Again, someone dropping 5 picks in top 10 isn't a huge drop off and can happen - especially at RB, G and MLB position when you have 5-6 QBs who are likely to go in top 20 picks.

There won't be monster DE available in FA. I'm not a fan of Ansah. 9 of his 12 sacks came against Giants, Bengals, and Aaron Rodgerless Packers. He's super inconsistent with technique and effort and that'll likely get worse once he gets paid. Dallas isn't letting Lawrence go. After that - unfortunately there are no monster upgrades available in FA.

I give it a .0001% chance Barkley falls to the 10/9 place...outside of qb there aren't a ton of can't miss products like him. If he falls even a little I can see a team moving up. Wishful thinking IMHO.

I agree there isn't any stud passrushers in FA, their rarely ever is. You got us signing a lot of guys that are finishing their season on IR, I'd rather not overspend for players like that. Ziggy imo isn't gonna get top end pass rush money because of his age and inconsistency...I do think he's a better pass rusher than Murphy and isn't coming off a torn ACL/MCL plus you can connect the dots wth Martin Mayhew drafting him.

All good, gonna be a million mocks made

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I give it a .0001% chance Barkley falls to the 10/9 place...outside of qb there aren't a ton of can't miss products like him. If he falls even a little I can see a team moving up. Wishful thinking IMHO.

I agree there isn't any stud passrushers in FA, their rarely ever is. You got us signing a lot of guys that are finishing their season on IR, I'd rather not overspend for players like that. Ziggy imo isn't gonna get top end pass rush money because of his age and inconsistency...I do think he's a better pass rusher than Murphy and isn't coming off a torn ACL/MCL plus you can connect the dots wth Martin Mayhew drafting him.

All good, gonna be a million mocks made

Don't you say that! Can't miss player. Notable can't miss products Jonathan Cooper, Trent Richardson and Robert Gallery.

Originally posted by krizay:

Completely agree with bolded.

I don't agree with effort at all, he had an ankle injury all of 2016 that slowed him down.

Yes it's a highlight tape from the other yr but he's wasn't just beating scrubs like Eric flowers his whole career.

He's been banged up (ankle/knee) but isn't coming off a ACL/MCL injury.

Dude is an ideal LEO...he's got elite length (35+ inch arms), elite speed for his size (4.6), and is crazy quick.



Agree to disagree, I'd rather give him a couple more bucks.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I give it a .0001% chance Barkley falls to the 10/9 place...outside of qb there aren't a ton of can't miss products like him. If he falls even a little I can see a team moving up. Wishful thinking IMHO.

I agree there isn't any stud passrushers in FA, their rarely ever is. You got us signing a lot of guys that are finishing their season on IR, I'd rather not overspend for players like that. Ziggy imo isn't gonna get top end pass rush money because of his age and inconsistency...I do think he's a better pass rusher than Murphy and isn't coming off a torn ACL/MCL plus you can connect the dots wth Martin Mayhew drafting him.

All good, gonna be a million mocks made

Don't you say that! Can't miss player. Notable can't miss products Jonathan Cooper, Trent Richardson and Robert Gallery.

Lol, you can add aaron curry to that as well (Seattle )

no way in hell he drops to us, just not gonna happen.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Lol, you can add aaron curry to that as well (Seattle )

no way in hell he drops to us, just not gonna happen.

I will wait til the combine before I say no way he drops to us but I say the chances are slim. If he does run in the 4.3s at the combine then yeah no chance. But with the draft rather loaded at RB I can see teams going for a slimmer positional need or QB. But yeah chances are slim.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I don't agree with effort at all, he had an ankle injury all of 2016 that slowed him down.

Yes it's a highlight tape from the other yr but he's wasn't just beating scrubs like Eric flowers his whole career.

He's been banged up (ankle/knee) but isn't coming off a ACL/MCL injury.

Dude is an ideal LEO...he's got elite length (35+ inch arms), elite speed for his size (4.6), and is crazy quick.



Agree to disagree, I'd rather give him a couple more bucks.

Yo, did you see the move he put on Donald Penn on that second clip? Somebody get Donald Penn some milk!!!!



Only concern for me with Ziggy is health. He's always dinged up. That said, dude is a talent and would wreak shop next to Defo.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I don't agree with effort at all, he had an ankle injury all of 2016 that slowed him down.

Yes it's a highlight tape from the other yr but he's wasn't just beating scrubs like Eric flowers his whole career.

He's been banged up (ankle/knee) but isn't coming off a ACL/MCL injury.

Dude is an ideal LEO...he's got elite length (35+ inch arms), elite speed for his size (4.6), and is crazy quick.



Agree to disagree, I'd rather give him a couple more bucks.

Yo, did you see the move he put on Donald Penn on that second clip? Somebody get Donald Penn some milk!!!!



Only concern for me with Ziggy is health. He's always dinged up. That said, dude is a talent and would wreak shop next to Defo.

yeah injuries are a bit of an issue (and age) but those are some of the reasons he might even be available in FA. I wouldn't be surprised if he get's a short term deal. I do think haven't Martin Meyhew here helps us in possibly getting him.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol, you can add aaron curry to that as well (Seattle )

no way in hell he drops to us, just not gonna happen.

I will wait til the combine before I say no way he drops to us but I say the chances are slim. If he does run in the 4.3s at the combine then yeah no chance. But with the draft rather loaded at RB I can see teams going for a slimmer positional need or QB. But yeah chances are slim.

unless he get's caught with a hooker or breaks his leg to the combine, it's not happening

dude ran a 4.33 back in March.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by SteveYoung:
Will Hernandez is about 25 pounds roo heavy for Shanahan. Won't be happening

Will Hernandez is actually quick for his size but I like Isaiah Wynn as well and is very versatile.

Some of these guys see belly fat and automatically say whether an OL can move or not. Don't mind them.

Just saw this tweet lol

Originally posted by TheNef77:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Will Hernandez is about 25 pounds roo heavy for Shanahan. Won't be happening

Will Hernandez is actually quick for his size but I like Isaiah Wynn as well and is very versatile.

Some of these guys see belly fat and automatically say whether an OL can move or not. Don't mind them.

Dude is 340+ lbs....all I've read and hear is he's an ideal OG for man/power schemes. He reminds me of Iupati, not sure he's the athlete Kyle wants at OG though.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheNef77:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by SteveYoung:
Will Hernandez is about 25 pounds roo heavy for Shanahan. Won't be happening

Will Hernandez is actually quick for his size but I like Isaiah Wynn as well and is very versatile.

Some of these guys see belly fat and automatically say whether an OL can move or not. Don't mind them.

Dude is 340+ lbs....all I've read and hear is he's an ideal OG for man/power schemes. He reminds me of Iupati, not sure he's the athlete Kyle wants at OG though.

Iupati could move. You guys only remembered the injured Iupati who played on bad legs and couldn't move.

"all I've read and hear"
WATCH the film and be your own judge. You only have 2nd hand info

Originally posted by TheNef77:

Iupati could move. You guys only remembered the injured Iupati who played on bad legs and couldn't move.

"all I've read and hear"
WATCH the film and be your own judge. You only have 2nd hand info

Sorry I don't get to watch a ton of UTEP football games

Iupati could not move dude. He was a mauler ideal for gap blocking. I've only watched some draft breakdowns of Hernandez (vs Oklahoma/Texas) and I don't see someone that's super athletic/foot speed imo he struggles in space....He's a good prospect don't get me wrong but I don't see him as a zone blocking guard.

If you see it different that's cool.