4ML's 4 rounds Mock 1.0 (Saquon falls)

Originally posted by krizay:

Completely agree with bolded.

From a MB article today...


"He's not necessarily a cap-casualty guy, but ... we've talked about Ezekiel Ansah in this space a lot. Apparently, Ansah-to-49ers is being discussed in NFL circles as well. It's all-smoke-no-fire at this point, of course, but there's a thinking that Ansah might not be as well suited for a Matt Patricia-style defense as he would for San Francisco's version of the 4-3."

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:

Completely agree with bolded.

From a MB article today...

#49ers mailbags: Answering reader questions about Reuben Foster, Quenton Nelson, Ezekiel Ansah and more ... https://t.co/VmaFSIiKjz

— Matt Barrows (@mattbarrows) January 17, 2018

"He's not necessarily a cap-casualty guy, but ... we've talked about Ezekiel Ansah in this space a lot. Apparently, Ansah-to-49ers is being discussed in NFL circles as well. It's all-smoke-no-fire at this point, of course, but there's a thinking that Ansah might not be as well suited for a Matt Patricia-style defense as he would for San Francisco's version of the 4-3."

Ansah,Elvis,Marsh,Pita and Gilbert is a solid group.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Ansah,Elvis,Marsh,Pita and Gilbert is a solid group.

You lie. That's an upgrade to what we have but not solid.

I want to give Mingo a shot at LEO. That's exactly what he was at LSU.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Ansah,Elvis,Marsh,Pita and Gilbert is a solid group.

You lie. That's an upgrade to what we have but not solid.

Haha. Just cause a b***h isnt sexy doesnt mean shes not solid at getting the job done and giving out pleasure

Add a Holland or Hubberd and then we're SOLID

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Imo McFadden isn't a 2nd rd pick, there are other DBs they will be taken before him and move up the boards (and I'm a FSU fan)

Hernandez isn't a fit for ZBS. I'm not sure you need to spend a 3rd on Desmond Harrison either.

I just can't see Barkley falling to 9th, you say Crabtree fell but Barkley didn't have a injury or a diva attitude.

I also don't see your FAs as monster upgrades for a pass rush.

Sorry my man not my favorite mock BUT a lot can change-thanks!

Thanks for your comments. I appreciate that.

Right now McFadden is projected to go in 2nd rd on many draft boards - so I'm going by that. Of course he can fall. We have late 2nd rd pick and early 3rd round picks - so not too far apart. Plus, I have two other CBs as second and third option with that pick (Nick Nelson and Mike Hughes). Point is - I'd like them to invest a 2nd rd pick on a CB they like the most available at that spot.

Fine point on Hernandez and that's why I included another option of Isaiah Wynn. I really like Hernandez but yes he doesn't exactly fit the scheme. Isaiah Wynn does.

RBs have a history of falling in the draft and there are lot of high potential RBs in the draft. Again, someone dropping 5 picks in top 10 isn't a huge drop off and can happen - especially at RB, G and MLB position when you have 5-6 QBs who are likely to go in top 20 picks.

There won't be monster DE available in FA. I'm not a fan of Ansah. 9 of his 12 sacks came against Giants, Bengals, and Aaron Rodgerless Packers. He's super inconsistent with technique and effort and that'll likely get worse once he gets paid. Dallas isn't letting Lawrence go. After that - unfortunately there are no monster upgrades available in FA.

Completely agree with bolded.

Ansah is overrated on this board. Ppl need to realize half of his sacks cane in the last two games of the season. And 3 sacks cane against the Giants earlier in the season.

Originally posted by TheNef77:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Will Hernandez is about 25 pounds roo heavy for Shanahan. Won't be happening

Will Hernandez is actually quick for his size but I like Isaiah Wynn as well and is very versatile.

Some of these guys see belly fat and automatically say whether an OL can move or not. Don't mind them.

Will Hernandez is pretty athletic for his size. Yes, he doesn't have great lateral movement but moving North and South he's excellent. He weighs 330lbs and can easily lose 15-20lbs to be quicker laterally.

Here's a pretty good scouting video on him:



Dude is not like your typical fat ass 330lb offensive lineman.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Ansah,Elvis,Marsh,Pita and Gilbert is a solid group.

You lie. That's an upgrade to what we have but not solid.

Haha. Just cause a b***h isnt sexy doesnt mean shes not solid at getting the job done and giving out pleasure

Add a Holland or Hubberd and then we're SOLID

Would be very solid

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Ansah,Elvis,Marsh,Pita and Gilbert is a solid group.

You lie. That's an upgrade to what we have but not solid.

Haha. Just cause a b***h isnt sexy doesnt mean shes not solid at getting the job done and giving out pleasure

Add a Holland or Hubberd and then we're SOLID

Would be very solid

Preparing myself for Roquan or Nelson with our first pick. Im still very intrigued by Landry and Davenport but if we get Ansah i dont know the chances we go edge rusher with our first.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Preparing myself for Roquan or Nelson with our first pick. Im still very intrigued by Landry and Davenport but if we get Ansah i dont know the chances we go edge rusher with our first.

I would be so down for Sam Hubbard in a trade down. Fixing that SAM spot with Ansah at LEO. We have lots of options gonna be fun

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Preparing myself for Roquan or Nelson with our first pick. Im still very intrigued by Landry and Davenport but if we get Ansah i dont know the chances we go edge rusher with our first.

I would be so down for Sam Hubbard in a trade down. Fixing that SAM spot with Ansah at LEO. We have lots of options gonna be fun

Hell yeah!

Originally posted by 4ML:

Ansah is overrated on this board. Ppl need to realize half of his sacks cane in the last two games of the season. And 3 sacks cane against the Giants earlier in the season.

Half of his sacks came when he was fully healthy.

He had 14.5 sacks in his 2nd year. Then he was banged up and didn't play well in '16 when he had a high ankle sprain. This year he had a knee injury at the beginning of the season and got healthy at the midway point.

When healthy he is one of the best pass rushers in the league and can individually take over games.

Originally posted by 4ML:
Ansah is overrated on this board. Ppl need to realize half of his sacks cane in the last two games of the season. And 3 sacks cane against the Giants earlier in the season.

So that's the only thing we look at, what he did this last season? What about 2015 before he had the ankle injury? How about we look at who else is on the defensive line around him? There wasn't jack s**t on that DL in Detroit for teams to game plan around last yr besides him.

IMO he's underrated in here if anything. Dude is a athletic freak that's a IDEAL LEO prospect in this scheme.

I don't care who he got the sacks against a pass rush is a pass rush. IF we're gonna go down that road we might as well look at if players sacks were because of their own rush, a blown block, or it was a coverage sack

According to PFF he had 321 pass snaps this yr....he had 12 sacks out of those 321 snaps, so he got a sack every 26.75 attempts. That's pretty damn good! Let's look at the sack leader this yr Chandler Jones, he had 17 sacks on 610 pass snaps which is a a sack every 35.88 attempts. DeMarcus Lawrence had 14.5 sacks on 454 pass snaps so that's a sack every 31.3 attempts.

Throw him in this system with the other guys we have on that DL, give him the same pass snap counts as Lawrence, and you're looking at a 10-15 sacks (as long as he's healthy) on a steady base.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Ansah is overrated on this board. Ppl need to realize half of his sacks cane in the last two games of the season. And 3 sacks cane against the Giants earlier in the season.

Half of his sacks came when he was fully healthy.

He had 14.5 sacks in his 2nd year. Then he was banged up and didn't play well in '16 when he had a high ankle sprain. This year he had a knee injury at the beginning of the season and got healthy at the midway point.

When healthy he is one of the best pass rushers in the league and can individually take over games.

totally agree! 12 sacks on only 321 pass snaps is crazy IMO.

Originally posted by 4ML:
Will Hernandez is pretty athletic for his size. Yes, he doesn't have great lateral movement but moving North and South he's excellent. He weighs 330lbs and can easily lose 15-20lbs to be quicker laterally.

Here's a pretty good scouting video on him:



Dude is not like your typical fat ass 330lb offensive lineman.

pretty sure your explanation of him is exactly what Josh Garnett is he's simply not a fit for ZB. We already have a experiment with Josh to see if he can get down to 300 lbs to get quicker. Throw in Big Brown and Hernandez on top of it....that's not what Kyle wants his OL to look like.

He's a big monster and a mauler no doubt, some team who wants to use power/man blocking will love him.