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Don't know why ward is getting extnded off a season of nothingness

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:

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Take that.. Take that.

Originally posted by davidboutte:

Do you realize Alex Smith got 23 and that the only numbers that matter are yearly cap and guaranteed money. We're gonna pay Jimmy G well over 200 in the next 8. Even this contract would get restructured. Cousins and Rodgers gonna get 30 per!!! So will Matt Ryan next year. 8/200 headlines 4/100 what matters.

Originally posted by davidboutte:

Do you realize Alex Smith got 23 and that the only numbers that matter are yearly cap and guaranteed money. We're gonna pay Jimmy G well over 200 in the next 8. Even this contract would get restructured. Cousins and Rodgers gonna get 30 per!!! So will Matt Ryan next year. 8/200 headlines 4/100 what matters.

I'm very aware on how it works there's currently zero qbs with $100 million guaranteed. Giving that to any player with 7 career starts is nonsense. Alex smith has 151 career starts to go off of for his $70 million, im also not gonna look at what DC does as a guideline with contracts lol.

Unless jimmy wants to wait to see what Kirk and Matt Ryan get with contracts (which you didn't do in this mock), you're not factoring in their contracts because they don't have new deals yet.

A more realistic contract to go off of IMO is Carr's deal.

Originally posted by davidboutte:

Green Bay will have 3 WR making 10 million next year. Most teams have 5-6 players above that. Baalke didn't draft well enough to pay our own guys. Davonte Adams just got 14 million per and has 237 catches for 2811 yards in 4 seasons. Jordan Mathews, Jerry Rice cousin has 250/2955 in 4 seasons.

Who cares if he's Rice's cousin? Dude is injury prone and he's not Davonte Adams. He's a slot WR nothing more, adams has also improved Matthews has not.

5 yrs $50 million no thanks man

Originally posted by fan49:

Don't know why ward is getting extnded off a season of nothingness

He's guaranteed 8.7 on the 5th year option. This is a creative extension that lowers his guarantee and 2018 cap number with the ability to keep or release after without ramifications.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by davidboutte:

Green Bay will have 3 WR making 10 million next year. Most teams have 5-6 players above that. Baalke didn't draft well enough to pay our own guys. Davonte Adams just got 14 million per and has 237 catches for 2811 yards in 4 seasons. Jordan Mathews, Jerry Rice cousin has 250/2955 in 4 seasons.

Who cares if he's Rice's cousin? Dude is injury prone and he's not Davonte Adams. He's a slot WR nothing more, adams has also improved Matthews has not.

5 yrs $50 million no thanks man

Mathews was mocked to us the year he was in the draft fervently on the zone. It was a reminder because it was well mentioned around that draft. He was the Eagles best receiver most of the last 3 years prior to this season. Injury prone is a stretch. Slot only at 6'2 is rediculous.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by davidboutte:

Do you realize Alex Smith got 23 and that the only numbers that matter are yearly cap and guaranteed money. We're gonna pay Jimmy G well over 200 in the next 8. Even this contract would get restructured. Cousins and Rodgers gonna get 30 per!!! So will Matt Ryan next year. 8/200 headlines 4/100 what matters.

Originally posted by davidboutte:

Do you realize Alex Smith got 23 and that the only numbers that matter are yearly cap and guaranteed money. We're gonna pay Jimmy G well over 200 in the next 8. Even this contract would get restructured. Cousins and Rodgers gonna get 30 per!!! So will Matt Ryan next year. 8/200 headlines 4/100 what matters.

I'm very aware on how it works there's currently zero qbs with $100 million guaranteed. Giving that to any player with 7 career starts is nonsense. Alex smith has 151 career starts to go off of for his $70 million, im also not gonna look at what DC does as a guideline with contracts lol.

Unless jimmy wants to wait to see what Kirk and Matt Ryan get with contracts (which you didn't do in this mock), you're not factoring in their contracts because they don't have new deals yet.

A more realistic contract to go off of IMO is Carr's deal.

You complained about 200 the first time, 100 the second. I made my point on 200. On 100 he's near that number with 3 straight tags. Stanford got 92 or 94. Cousins who I didn't mention will get 100+ and I don't want to wait. Cousins and Rodgers, who I also don't want to wait for, will kill 25 per. I expect cousins to get 30+ offers but may settle for less if he opts for Denver over someone like Cleveland. Just my mock man. What I'd do. If he got 4/100 and 100% guaranteed I'd be upset we didn't do more years. 8/200 creates a buzz. 4/100 doesn't scare me. 25 per doesn't scare me. Years 5-8 here are all essentially team options.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by davidboutte:

Do you realize Alex Smith got 23 and that the only numbers that matter are yearly cap and guaranteed money. We're gonna pay Jimmy G well over 200 in the next 8. Even this contract would get restructured. Cousins and Rodgers gonna get 30 per!!! So will Matt Ryan next year. 8/200 headlines 4/100 what matters.

Originally posted by davidboutte:

Do you realize Alex Smith got 23 and that the only numbers that matter are yearly cap and guaranteed money. We're gonna pay Jimmy G well over 200 in the next 8. Even this contract would get restructured. Cousins and Rodgers gonna get 30 per!!! So will Matt Ryan next year. 8/200 headlines 4/100 what matters.

I'm very aware on how it works there's currently zero qbs with $100 million guaranteed. Giving that to any player with 7 career starts is nonsense. Alex smith has 151 career starts to go off of for his $70 million, im also not gonna look at what DC does as a guideline with contracts lol.

Unless jimmy wants to wait to see what Kirk and Matt Ryan get with contracts (which you didn't do in this mock), you're not factoring in their contracts because they don't have new deals yet.

A more realistic contract to go off of IMO is Carr's deal.

Carr 5/125 70 guaranteed
JG 8/200 100 guaranteed

So we're arguing about 30 million verses 3 extra team options.

Originally posted by davidboutte:

Mathews was mocked to us the year he was in the draft fervently on the zone. It was a reminder because it was well mentioned around that draft. He was the Eagles best receiver most of the last 3 years prior to this season. Injury prone is a stretch. Slot only at 6'2 is rediculous.

You clearly didn't watch him when he was put outside, that's not where he's best at.

We have a slot WR and Kyle likes guys who can get separation, something Matthews can't do on the outside.

Wait so a guy who's 6-2 can't be a slot WR? What? Please tell me where Fitzgerald and boldin lined up.

Dude has been injuried most of this yr and a lot the yr prior. IF he was such an amazing WR why would philly draft agolor in the 1st, pay Torry Smith, and Jeffery?

Originally posted by davidboutte:

You complained about 200 the first time, 100 the second. I made my point on 200. On 100 he's near that number with 3 straight tags. Stanford got 92 or 94. Cousins who I didn't mention will get 100+ and I don't want to wait. Cousins and Rodgers, who I also don't want to wait for, will kill 25 per. I expect cousins to get 30+ offers but may settle for less if he opts for Denver over someone like Cleveland. Just my mock man. What I'd do. If he got 4/100 and 100% guaranteed I'd be upset we didn't do more years. 8/200 creates a buzz. 4/100 doesn't scare me. 25 per doesn't scare me. Years 5-8 here are all essentially team options.

I stated something about the 200 million because that's a ridiculous number for 7 career starts IMO, YOU brought up the guaranteed money ($100 million) and I stated not one single QB has that type of cash guaranteed to them currently.

So you're saying now that jimmy G will wait to see what Kirk gets? That's the only way you can factor in Kirk's contract with him because he hasn't gotten a deal yet and most likely won't until FA starts.

I know it's your mock dude I'm critiquing it, isn't that the whole point of posting them?

Originally posted by davidboutte:

Carr 5/125 70 guaranteed
JG 8/200 100 guaranteed

So we're arguing about 30 million verses 3 extra team options.

$30 million guaranteed is a lot of money dude, Alshon Jeffery got $26 million guaranteed so you see that's another top end FA contract.

Like you said it's your mock just thrown in my two cents

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by davidboutte:

Carr 5/125 70 guaranteed
JG 8/200 100 guaranteed

So we're arguing about 30 million verses 3 extra team options.

$30 million guaranteed is a lot of money dude, Alshon Jeffery got $26 million guaranteed so you see that's another top end FA contract.

Like you said it's your mock just thrown in my two cents

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by davidboutte:

You complained about 200 the first time, 100 the second. I made my point on 200. On 100 he's near that number with 3 straight tags. Stanford got 92 or 94. Cousins who I didn't mention will get 100+ and I don't want to wait. Cousins and Rodgers, who I also don't want to wait for, will kill 25 per. I expect cousins to get 30+ offers but may settle for less if he opts for Denver over someone like Cleveland. Just my mock man. What I'd do. If he got 4/100 and 100% guaranteed I'd be upset we didn't do more years. 8/200 creates a buzz. 4/100 doesn't scare me. 25 per doesn't scare me. Years 5-8 here are all essentially team options.

I stated something about the 200 million because that's a ridiculous number for 7 career starts IMO, YOU brought up the guaranteed money ($100 million) and I stated not one single QB has that type of cash guaranteed to them currently.

So you're saying now that jimmy G will wait to see what Kirk gets? That's the only way you can factor in Kirk's contract with him because he hasn't gotten a deal yet and most likely won't until FA starts.

I know it's your mock dude I'm critiquing it, isn't that the whole point of posting them?

I'm stating that we shouldn't wait. I agree Carr contract is the baseline for signing Jimmy G. 5/125 70. I believe we'll need to spice that up. Rather then go more per year, or add guaranteed money to that 5/125 I chose to add unguaranteed years that in my opinion are team friendly and put more guarantees in the first 4 years. In years 5-8 we get a QB who could easily be top 5, making 2017 market value for an above average starting QB to hit FA. Jimmy becomes the 1st 200 man. Agent gets kudos. And we still avoid going over 25 per. Rodgers, Cousins, Ryan will all surpass Stanford in my opinion. Before those happen this to me is win win. The 30 million in guarantees is essentially betting Jimmy is healthy in year 4 of the contract. Hopefully our line is solid by then. Guaranteed money really only protects from injury typically. We're not cutting him if he's hurt anyway. Are there other ways to structure of course. But jimmy isn't getting a Kap type deal and even after 7 starts I agree with that. Based on only 7 starts getting 100 is crazy. But QB numbers in general are. There are some pro's in addition to the risk.

Originally posted by davidboutte:

I'm stating that we shouldn't wait. I agree Carr contract is the baseline for signing Jimmy G. 5/125 70. I believe we'll need to spice that up. Rather then go more per year, or add guaranteed money to that 5/125 I chose to add unguaranteed years that in my opinion are team friendly and put more guarantees in the first 4 years. In years 5-8 we get a QB who could easily be top 5, making 2017 market value for an above average starting QB to hit FA. Jimmy becomes the 1st 200 man. Agent gets kudos. And we still avoid going over 25 per. Rodgers, Cousins, Ryan will all surpass Stanford in my opinion. Before those happen this to me is win win. The 30 million in guarantees is essentially betting Jimmy is healthy in year 4 of the contract. Hopefully our line is solid by then. Guaranteed money really only protects from injury typically. We're not cutting him if he's hurt anyway. Are there other ways to structure of course. But jimmy isn't getting a Kap type deal and even after 7 starts I agree with that. Based on only 7 starts getting 100 is crazy. But QB numbers in general are. There are some pro's in addition to the risk.

I get what you're saying but why do we have to spice it up? Everything I've read says he wants to be here and he's got the perfect coach to help him.

I don't think we have to make him the first $200 million dollar man to get him to be the QB LT. Kirk is a totally different situation because he's gonna be a FA. Rogers is a SB winning QB that has proven he's a top 3 QB in this league for 10 years. Jimmy G isn't at that point yet.

The Derrick Carr deal makes sense imo. There's no reason to give him more guaranteed money then any QB currently. It totally f**ks the market for every team looking to extend the position...If JG gets $100 million what the hell does Rogers get??