FA:
We look to plug a few holes, but mostly try to be conservative with cap space after the giant Jimmy G. deal.
Nigel Bradham, LB 5yr, 40mil.
Our biggest splash spending of the FA period. We will need to out bid the Eagles in both money, and time commitment offered. With the questions about Foster's future, worst case scenario is we pair Bradham with Malcolm Smith for a year, and best case scenario is we have a prime Bradham with a young Foster for the early portion of our championship window.
Trey Burton, TE 3yr, 21 mil.
There are worse strategies than poaching players from the reigning super bowl champs. This is a FA we won't have to grossly overpay for, as he will be very happy to be the #1 move TE option for a prime Jimmy G. Pairs nicely with Kittle and the receiving corps.
Eric Reid, S 4yr, 28.5 mil.
Due to protests, he has a light market, and decides a familiar situation and not needing to relocate is worth taking a mil or 2 less. Has been a very pleasantly surprising piece of the puzzle this past year, and can play the SS/LB hybrid position that teams are looking for in today's NFL. Perfect for big nickel, and can cover any deficiencies in the middle of the field caused by Rueben Foster's absence.
LeGarrette Blount, RB 2 yr, 2mil.
I don't care what scheme you run, every team can use a short yardage bruiser. If we let Hyde go, we have no one that can fit the bill. If we like Mcnichols in camp, and trust Juszczyk to pound the rock, then he's an easy cut.
Chris Hubbard, RT/OG 2 yr, 5mil.
Competition with Joshua Garnett for RG, and backup RT. Has a decent shot to win the starting job and earn himself some money in a few years.
Trades:
Shaquil Barrett, SAM 2018 3rd rd pick, conditional 2019 5th/6th.
Broncos need to clear and keep cap space open for Kirk Cousins. They have Von Miller, Shane Ray, and Shaq Barrett all at the same position. Rather than lose Shaq for a 3rd rd compensatory pick next year, they get a 3rd this year and a conditional pick next. For us, he's an immediate upgrade at strong side line backer, and is likely our top edge rusher in nickel packages, at the very least replacing Elvis Dumervil's production.
Round 1, Pick 15, Round 3, Pick 79; Arizona Cardinals Round 1, Pick 9, swap 2019 first round picks.
Not sure this has ever, or will ever happen in the NFL, but the niners are gambling on their own success, and hey, it's my mock. Broncos score Kirk Cousins in FA, and take Quenton Nelson, so he's off the board. If Rueben Foster is released, I stay put and take Roquon Smith to pair with Bradham (damn that sounds enticing), but I'm expecting, at least for this year, for Foster to be safe. Arizona wants to move up for Josh Allen, QB. We fleece them like we did the bears, convincing them other teams are calling. Would we be willing to "help" a divisional rival, and give them a potential FQB? Lynch ain't afraid of no Cardinals and Josh Allen! We worry about our own team, our own roster, and our own success. We signed Jimmy to a record breaking deal for a reason, because we believe he can beat anyone, anyday. We are betting that we're building the best roster in the NFL, regardless of what other teams are doing, and we are betting that our record will be that much better than the Card's next year, and thus our draft pick much less valuable. We set ourselves up next draft to get a difference maker like a Joe Jackson, LEO or Trey Adams, LT, even if we make the playoffs this year.
Draft:
RD1P15: Isaiah Wynn, OG/OT
I hate that we resigned Kilgore, but we did. If he's our center for the immediate foreseeable future, we better help him out by surrounding him with top talent at guard. Wynn will be a monster in our scheme, and, I believe, can even play left tackle despite his length limitations.
RD2P59: Isaiah Oliver, CB
James Daniels, OC/OG is who I want here, but the Kilgore deal changes things. We didn't give Kilgore much money, so perhaps they view him only as a backup, but right now, I have to assume they are not looking at center early. We need a corner opposite Ahkello, badly. What better than an old team mate, with length, athleticism, and fluidity. Is not yet a "shut down" caliber corner, but has all the intangibles to develop into a true #1, and does a lot of things that Saleh asks of our corners. Jimmy Ward will start the year at CB, and allow Oliver to develop.
RD3P70: Mark Walton, RB
Maybe a very rich man's Jerick McKinnon or a faster Alvin Kamara. Either way, a perennial pro bowl RB in Shanny's offense. An early 2nd round talent pushed down because of the depth of the class. It's too bad RoJo is gone, but Walton will make us all forgot about him once the season starts.
RD3P79: Nathan Shepherd, DT1T
Penetrating shaded nose. Commanded double And triple teams, albeit against inferior competition, and has some nice pass rush moves as evidenced at the senior bowl. Has good size and initial burst. At worst, transitions to 3T and we grab a guy like Derrick Brown next year.
R4P124: Chad Thomas, DE
A gamble, but a gamble worth taking. Has the size, athleticism, speed, strength, and flexibility to be a difference making LEO. There are pass rushers I have higher than Thomas, but most lack in size and ability against the run, and would require a much earlier pick. Chad Thomas has a higher floor as a base player, with just as high a ceiling as a pass rusher. I'm envisioning still needing to upgrade this position again next year, but Thomas opposite Shaq Barrett is a huge upgrade over our current situation, and still offers the possibility of having a star pass rusher should Thomas commit himself to football.
R5P134: Korey Robertson, WR
Probably my 8th to 10th favorite WR in the draft, but I think we have bigger needs. This is good value for a larger WR. I really like Garcon/Goodwin/Taylor, but I see a bit of Allen Robinson in Korey. I think he can start out as a redzone/3rd down target, and develop into the replacement for Garcon.
R6P170: Isaac Yiadom, CB
A new favorite of mine. Long, athletic, aggressive.
R7P201: Michael Joseph, CB
An old favorite of mine. Long, athletic, aggressive.
R7P214: Coleman Shelton, OC
Not a player comp, but similar to Daniel Kilgore in that he has the requisite technique, work ethic, and mobility for the scheme, but is lacking in strength. The difference is Kilgore is maxed out, whereas Shelton will just be starting.
QB: Jimmy Garoppolo, CJ Beathard
RB: Mark Walton, Matt Breida, LeGarrette Blount
FB: Kyle Juszczyk
OL: Joe Staley, Isaiah Wynn, Daniel Kilgore, Joshua Garnett, Trenton Brown, Erik Magnuson, Coleman Shelton, Chris Hubbard, Darrell Williams Jr.
WR: Pierre Garcon, Marquise Goodwin, Trent Taylor, Korey Robertson, Kendrick Bourne, Victor Bolden Jr.
TE: George Kittle, Trey Burton, Garrett Celek
DL: Chad Thomas, Soloman Thomas, Earl Mitchell, DeForest Buckner, Ronald Blair, Sheldon Day, DJ Jones, Arik Armstead, Tank Carradine, Nathan Shepherd
LB: Rueben Foster, Nigel Bradham, Shaquil Barrett, Malcolm Smith, Cassius Marsh, Brock Coyle
CB: Isaiah Oliver, Ahkello Witherspoon, Isaac Yiadom, Michael Joseph, Jimmie Ward, K'Waun Williams
S: Jaquiski Tartt, Adrian Colbert, Chanceller James, Eric Reid
P: Bradley Pinion
LS: Kyle Nelson
K: Robbie Gould
2019 targets: Joe Jackson, Derrick Brown, Taylor Rapp, Juwan Johnson, Trey Adams
Just for fun:
Browns 4 rd mock.
RD1P1: Sam Darnold. FQB
RD1P4: Bradley Chubb. This DL is absolutely unfair. Maybe best in NFL.
RD2P33: Rashaan Evans. Perfect linebacker to compliment the DL.
RD2P35: Jaire Alexander. Shutdown CB.
RD2P64: Sony Michel. FRB.
RD3P65: Michael Gallup. Need a Mr. Reliable possession receiver. Njoku and Gordon are always good for the splash plays.
RD4P97: Jesse Bates III. Allows Peppers to play closer to the line.
RD4P119: Keke Coutee. Speed at WR. Similar to Deontay Burnett for Darnold.
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Feb 16, 2018 at 1:02 PM
- adrianlesnar
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Feb 16, 2018 at 1:56 PM
- Waterbear
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I really like your FA/ trades besides Eric Reid who I think is long gone.
I don't think teams would make that trade you did with Arizona. Maybe their two 3rds for them to move up?
As for the draft if we passed on Sony Michel in the second round I would be pissed. He is everything we need at that position with his speed, toughness, route running and excellent blocking.
I don't think teams would make that trade you did with Arizona. Maybe their two 3rds for them to move up?
As for the draft if we passed on Sony Michel in the second round I would be pissed. He is everything we need at that position with his speed, toughness, route running and excellent blocking.
Feb 16, 2018 at 2:00 PM
- NYniner85
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Where do you have Bradham lining up for us? I think that's a bit generous with the contract lol
I like Burton, but Kyle likes his TEs to be able to block...when he's out he field teams will know we're throwing the ball ya know. Personally I like our TEs ( I wouldn't be shocked if hikutini could turn into a guy like Burton both UDFA)
People keep throwing Barnett out there for a trade...issue is he's a RFA there's already been reports that they're likely to slap a second-round tender on him. Throwing out the idea of clearing cap space for Kirk is all fine and dandy, but Barnett isn't gonna cost them anything ($2.9 million) a team can throw out a offer and they have 7 days to match it, IF they don't the team offering the deal has to give them a 2nd. So they idea of giving up a 3rd isn't that realistic.
Absolutely HATE the idea of swapping 1sts in a trade down....F that, we need picks this yr IMO.
I do like who you went after in the draft overall nothing negative to say there. like the Hubbard signing I do think he might get a little more.
thanks man!
I like Burton, but Kyle likes his TEs to be able to block...when he's out he field teams will know we're throwing the ball ya know. Personally I like our TEs ( I wouldn't be shocked if hikutini could turn into a guy like Burton both UDFA)
People keep throwing Barnett out there for a trade...issue is he's a RFA there's already been reports that they're likely to slap a second-round tender on him. Throwing out the idea of clearing cap space for Kirk is all fine and dandy, but Barnett isn't gonna cost them anything ($2.9 million) a team can throw out a offer and they have 7 days to match it, IF they don't the team offering the deal has to give them a 2nd. So they idea of giving up a 3rd isn't that realistic.
Absolutely HATE the idea of swapping 1sts in a trade down....F that, we need picks this yr IMO.
I do like who you went after in the draft overall nothing negative to say there. like the Hubbard signing I do think he might get a little more.
thanks man!
Feb 16, 2018 at 2:19 PM
- GorefullBore
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I don't think you chose enough guys named Isaiah lol
Feb 16, 2018 at 7:53 PM
- adrianlesnar
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Originally posted by NYniner85:Where do you have Bradham lining up for us? I think that's a bit generous with the contract lol
I like Burton, but Kyle likes his TEs to be able to block...when he's out he field teams will know we're throwing the ball ya know. Personally I like our TEs ( I wouldn't be shocked if hikutini could turn into a guy like Burton both UDFA)
People keep throwing Barnett out there for a trade...issue is he's a RFA there's already been reports that they're likely to slap a second-round tender on him. Throwing out the idea of clearing cap space for Kirk is all fine and dandy, but Barnett isn't gonna cost them anything ($2.9 million) a team can throw out a offer and they have 7 days to match it, IF they don't the team offering the deal has to give them a 2nd. So they idea of giving up a 3rd isn't that realistic.
Absolutely HATE the idea of swapping 1sts in a trade down....F that, we need picks this yr IMO.
I do like who you went after in the draft overall nothing negative to say there. like the Hubbard signing I do think he might get a little more.
thanks man!
I think I probably did get carried away a bit on Bradham's contract, but I think he's going to get paid with offers starting somewhere around 6.5 per. I'd move him around in the middle of the field as a hook defender.
As for Burton, I see him more as a receiver anyway, just a mismatch vs LB. I admittedly forgot about Hikutini, tho, and I am definitely still intrigued by what he could become.
I think I'm partially responsible for the Shaq Barrett hype around here because I've been mocking him since the last draft ended, haha. If the Broncos tender him, I doubt anyone pays up. If they don't want to keep him, I'm sure they'd be happy with my offer, especially with the Lynch/Elway connection. If they see him in the future plans, than it's a moot point. The idea tho is, yes he's cheap now, but they either pay him big bucks next year, or let him walk for a compensatory. Assuming Kirk Cousins eats into their cap and they know they can't afford him next year, at least they got a nice value in return beforehand.
As for your final point, I'm very confident that we will picking late in next year's draft, and the cards not so much. At this moment, the top of next year's draft is looking veryyyyy appealing with all of the defensive talent. If Nelson is off the board, and Roquon is not a need (foster and bradham), I'd be very happy to only move down 5 spots, still get the guy I was going for anyway, and pick up a 3rd this year and improve our positioning next year.
[ Edited by adrianlesnar on Feb 16, 2018 at 7:55 PM ]
Feb 16, 2018 at 7:53 PM
- adrianlesnar
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Originally posted by GorefullBore:I don't think you chose enough guys named Isaiah lol
I definitely learned it's not spelled Isiah
Feb 16, 2018 at 8:18 PM
- m_brockalexander
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Definitely like the free agent targets except Blount. Niners are not going to invest in a RB on the wrong side of 30 with limited receiving skills.
Nice idea on Barrett, but his RFA status may make him too expensive in picks to pry him away. Love the player, but not the potential price tag.
Like the Wynn, Walton and Thomas picks. Don't think Oliver will make it to the late 2nd, but love the double down on young CB's.
Nice effort.
Nice idea on Barrett, but his RFA status may make him too expensive in picks to pry him away. Love the player, but not the potential price tag.
Like the Wynn, Walton and Thomas picks. Don't think Oliver will make it to the late 2nd, but love the double down on young CB's.
Nice effort.
Feb 17, 2018 at 12:51 AM
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Walton in my opinion is the best second day running back in the draft. His side step and First Cut is amazing
Feb 17, 2018 at 2:02 AM
- SmokeCrabtrees
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Originally posted by adrianlesnar:Originally posted by NYniner85:Where do you have Bradham lining up for us? I think that's a bit generous with the contract lol
I like Burton, but Kyle likes his TEs to be able to block...when he's out he field teams will know we're throwing the ball ya know. Personally I like our TEs ( I wouldn't be shocked if hikutini could turn into a guy like Burton both UDFA)
People keep throwing Barnett out there for a trade...issue is he's a RFA there's already been reports that they're likely to slap a second-round tender on him. Throwing out the idea of clearing cap space for Kirk is all fine and dandy, but Barnett isn't gonna cost them anything ($2.9 million) a team can throw out a offer and they have 7 days to match it, IF they don't the team offering the deal has to give them a 2nd. So they idea of giving up a 3rd isn't that realistic.
Absolutely HATE the idea of swapping 1sts in a trade down....F that, we need picks this yr IMO.
I do like who you went after in the draft overall nothing negative to say there. like the Hubbard signing I do think he might get a little more.
thanks man!
I think I probably did get carried away a bit on Bradham's contract, but I think he's going to get paid with offers starting somewhere around 6.5 per. I'd move him around in the middle of the field as a hook defender.
As for Burton, I see him more as a receiver anyway, just a mismatch vs LB. I admittedly forgot about Hikutini, tho, and I am definitely still intrigued by what he could become.
I think I'm partially responsible for the Shaq Barrett hype around here because I've been mocking him since the last draft ended, haha. If the Broncos tender him, I doubt anyone pays up. If they don't want to keep him, I'm sure they'd be happy with my offer, especially with the Lynch/Elway connection. If they see him in the future plans, than it's a moot point. The idea tho is, yes he's cheap now, but they either pay him big bucks next year, or let him walk for a compensatory. Assuming Kirk Cousins eats into their cap and they know they can't afford him next year, at least they got a nice value in return beforehand.
As for your final point, I'm very confident that we will picking late in next year's draft, and the cards not so much. At this moment, the top of next year's draft is looking veryyyyy appealing with all of the defensive talent. If Nelson is off the board, and Roquon is not a need (foster and bradham), I'd be very happy to only move down 5 spots, still get the guy I was going for anyway, and pick up a 3rd this year and improve our positioning next year.
If Barrett is tagged with a 2nd round tender we could be in a prime position to pull the trigger since the Saints pick is late.
Feb 17, 2018 at 5:39 AM
- NYniner85
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Originally posted by adrianlesnar:I think I probably did get carried away a bit on Bradham's contract, but I think he's going to get paid with offers starting somewhere around 6.5 per. I'd move him around in the middle of the field as a hook defender.
As for Burton, I see him more as a receiver anyway, just a mismatch vs LB. I admittedly forgot about Hikutini, tho, and I am definitely still intrigued by what he could become.
I think I'm partially responsible for the Shaq Barrett hype around here because I've been mocking him since the last draft ended, haha. If the Broncos tender him, I doubt anyone pays up. If they don't want to keep him, I'm sure they'd be happy with my offer, especially with the Lynch/Elway connection. If they see him in the future plans, than it's a moot point. The idea tho is, yes he's cheap now, but they either pay him big bucks next year, or let him walk for a compensatory. Assuming Kirk Cousins eats into their cap and they know they can't afford him next year, at least they got a nice value in return beforehand.
As for your final point, I'm very confident that we will picking late in next year's draft, and the cards not so much. At this moment, the top of next year's draft is looking veryyyyy appealing with all of the defensive talent. If Nelson is off the board, and Roquon is not a need (foster and bradham), I'd be very happy to only move down 5 spots, still get the guy I was going for anyway, and pick up a 3rd this year and improve our positioning next year.
Yeah I don't see the point in them not keeping Barnett at all, like I said it will cost them nothing this yr to tender him. If someone offers him a contract they get a 2nd, as far as next yr worry about next yr...if he moves on they get a 3rd rd comp anyway. There's a ton of ways for them to clear space outside of getting rid of a cheap young good player.
FWIW they can cut Thomas next yr and save $14 million if they don't have cap space (currently next yr they have $51 million).
Still hate the thought of moving down for a 2019 swap no thanks...you also said we got a 3rd but I don't see it in your mock?
Feb 17, 2018 at 5:40 AM
- NYniner85
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Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:If Barrett is tagged with a 2nd round tender we could be in a prime position to pull the trigger since the Saints pick is late.
Gross give up a 2nd and have to pay him top money, dude has 11 career sacks come on meow
Feb 17, 2018 at 5:50 AM
- adrianlesnar
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Originally posted by NYniner85:Yeah I don't see the point in them not keeping Barnett at all, like I said it will cost them nothing this yr to tender him. If someone offers him a contract they get a 2nd, as far as next yr worry about next yr...if he moves on they get a 3rd rd comp anyway. There's a ton of ways for them to clear space outside of getting rid of a cheap young good player.
FWIW they can cut Thomas next yr and save $14 million if they don't have cap space (currently next yr they have $51 million).
Still hate the thought of moving down for a 2019 swap no thanks...you also said we got a 3rd but I don't see it in your mock?
Traded away a 3rd round pick to Denver, but recouped one from AZ
Feb 17, 2018 at 6:39 AM
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So we have 78 million in cap space and the 9th overall pick and out of the 14 players you added I don't see one difference maker. And swapping 1sts and you give up a 3rd to do it? WTF man. This is an extremely deep draft and we can add a 2nd if we trade down.We have a chance to add a pile of star players and you didnt add one. No offense but I don't like it one bit.
Wynn at 15? The dude better be a perennial pro bowler to be taken that high. You signed Chris Hubbard who has identical measurables as Wynn and would be just as good then you spend a premium pick on an under sized guard. He had better be as good or better than Zach Martin or David DeCastro and I dont think Wynn is half as good as them. He is a mid 2nd round talent who you took at 15. Gross.
No upgrades at CB or pass rusher other than a 2nd round rookie at CB and a guy who has 11 career sacks and a 4th round rookie to help our pass rush. I'd be extremely disappointed with this offseason.
Wynn at 15? The dude better be a perennial pro bowler to be taken that high. You signed Chris Hubbard who has identical measurables as Wynn and would be just as good then you spend a premium pick on an under sized guard. He had better be as good or better than Zach Martin or David DeCastro and I dont think Wynn is half as good as them. He is a mid 2nd round talent who you took at 15. Gross.
No upgrades at CB or pass rusher other than a 2nd round rookie at CB and a guy who has 11 career sacks and a 4th round rookie to help our pass rush. I'd be extremely disappointed with this offseason.
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Feb 17, 2018 at 8:14 AM
- adrianlesnar
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Originally posted by SteveYoung:So we have 78 million in cap space and the 9th overall pick and out of the 14 players you added I don't see one difference maker. And swapping 1sts and you give up a 3rd to do it? WTF man. This is an extremely deep draft and we can add a 2nd if we trade down.We have a chance to add a pile of star players and you didnt add one. No offense but I don't like it one bit.
Wynn at 15? The dude better be a perennial pro bowler to be taken that high. You signed Chris Hubbard who has identical measurables as Wynn and would be just as good then you spend a premium pick on an under sized guard. He had better be as good or better than Zach Martin or David DeCastro and I dont think Wynn is half as good as them. He is a mid 2nd round talent who you took at 15. Gross.
No upgrades at CB or pass rusher other than a 2nd round rookie at CB and a guy who has 11 career sacks and a 4th round rookie to help our pass rush. I'd be extremely disappointed with this offseason.
I gained a 3rd plus the swap, not gave one up. Agree to disagree on the talent level of the players I targetted.
Feb 17, 2018 at 11:15 PM
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Well written and broken down but not a fan of this. I don't see us bringing back Reid, especially at that contract, I also think our biggest FA pickup will be a Corner, pass rusher or possibly Offensive not at LB, especially if it's not a SAM.
As for your mock draft, not to bad. I am a huge Isaiah Wynn fan.
As for your mock draft, not to bad. I am a huge Isaiah Wynn fan.
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