Mock #2 - Pre-FA/Draft

Cuts:
Carlos Hyde - love carlos, but bad pass pro and questionable pass catching has probably sealed his fate here.
Jimmie Ward - need his 8.5 million to sign an FA CB
Dontae Johnson - just a warm body, he can go
Tank Carradine
Aaron Lynch

Re-sign:
Eric Reid
Fusco
Coyle

Free Agent Signings:
Trumaine Johnson - If the Niners are gonna sign a CB, they let Ward walk so they can get a top guy that can come in and make an impact 4yr/64
Chris Hubbard - versatility...can play all across the line 4yr/16
Andrew Norwell - controversial pick here, but he's really good and would sure up one side of our line 4yr/56
Terrel Pryor - can kick the tires on him on a cheap contract 1yr/4
Robert Quinn - Edge is a huge needs and he can come in right away and wont command as much money as Ansah 3yr/27

We could sign every one of these guys and still have a nice 25 million or so to roll over.

Draft:

1. R1(9) Roquan Smith, LB, Georgia - Niners grab the top LB in the draft to help our 2nd level and as Foster insurance.
2. R2 (36) Ronald Jones, RB, USC - One of the top RBs in the draft and fits the scheme perfectly - Trade next years First rounder with the Colts
3. R2 (59) Carlton Davis, CB, Auburn - Have to take advantage of the depth of this CB class by taking one of the top guys off the board
4. R3 (70) Frank Ragnow, C/G, Arkansas - Shanny loves versatility.
5. R3 (74) Tyrell Crosby, T, Oregon - Another tackle that fits shanny's scheme to develop for the departure of Staley
6. R4 Josh Sweat, DE, FSU- An edge prospect that needs development but has some traits
7. R5 Shaquem Griffin, LB, UCF - This guy is a stud. Will have an instant impact on special teams, and will spell guys on passing downs. Can rush the pass very well.

In this mock, I wanted to be aggressive but prudent. In FA, we pickup 2 big names in Trumaine and Norwell to address two of our most glaring needs. We sign Hubbard as a low cost value play to help our line as well. Then we take a 1 year cheap deal with Pryor to see what he can do.

In the Draft, I don't think they will sit by and wait until that late 2nd pick, but they will use next year's draft capital to move and grab another blue chip prospect in Rojo.

We take one of the stud DBs off the board and add depth to our new look secondary.

We grab two very solid offensive linemen that fit ZBS and are very good pass protectors. Then we pick up a guy that can play spot duty at sam and edge and then my favorite player, SHAQ Griffin!!

Let me know what you guys think.

Great job. Only thing I would change is Turay for Sweat. Really good players taken

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Great job. Only thing I would change is Turay for Sweat. Really good players taken

Thanks! The only thing I wish i would've done was taking a WR like DJ Moore

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Great job. Only thing I would change is Turay for Sweat. Really good players taken

Thanks! The only thing I wish i would've done was taking a WR like DJ Moore

Can't fix everything in 1 off season. This would be a fantastic start to our return of the Empire.

Dig the players targetted. There are certain names I have higher at different positional groups, but it's all opinion at that point. The OL definitely got better in a big way.

Few criticisms:
I think Trumaine Johnson is on the decline, but that's beside the point. I don't see them paying a guy good money to play CB opposite Ahkello, and then drafting another CB that early in the draft. Sure, you can never have enough good corners, but you also can't play 3 starting outside corners on the field consistently at the same time.

RoJo is my favorite RB in the draft for the niners, but I would hate to trade next year's first for a second this year, and I don't think it's really realistic anyway for a team like the Colts, so devoid of talent, to give away a 2nd round pick and not get anything from this year in return.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Dig the players targetted. There are certain names I have higher at different positional groups, but it's all opinion at that point. The OL definitely got better in a big way.

Few criticisms:
I think Trumaine Johnson is on the decline, but that's beside the point. I don't see them paying a guy good money to play CB opposite Ahkello, and then drafting another CB that early in the draft. Sure, you can never have enough good corners, but you also can't play 3 starting outside corners on the field consistently at the same time.

RoJo is my favorite RB in the draft for the niners, but I would hate to trade next year's first for a second this year, and I don't think it's really realistic anyway for a team like the Colts, so devoid of talent, to give away a 2nd round pick and not get anything from this year in return.

All very fair criticisms. However, Trumaine Johnson is very much an elite CB. He's not great at off coverage but he would be an AJ Bouye type player in this system. This draft is deep at CB, taking a guy like that ensures our secondary is strong for a good while. Plus, if he performs well, it's trade bait. Also injuries happen.

2nd, the trade with the colts can be tinkered with but the values are spot on. The colts are also in a rebuild so getting more picks is worth it for them. For us, the pick will be a late first bc we ARE going to the playoffs next season. And Rojo is a first rounder to be sure. So I don't think the FO would have any trouble giving up the pick for him.

But I agree we would probably need to send some compensation for this year as well.

Don't think the Colts are going to part with any picks this year with all their issues and needs.

Would keep Carradine, but that's the only change for the re-signing of the Niners existing free agents.

Nice draft, but would agree with you that the Niners need to acquire a good WR sometime this offseason. I think the Niners will trade down from #9 and grab some late first round picks and try to recoup their early 2nd rounder.

Good job!

I dislike the Johnson signing, I'd rather Fuller or Melvin, every other signing I like, honestly Love every player picked, but other then Roquan and Jones I think each player goes higher then you have them..but if this was the offseason then playoffs are a definite..thanks for your work..

Would absolutely love this but this nut very realistic. No way we would be able to get Quinn, Norwell and Trumaine Johnson. Heck! I don't think we even have a shut of getting two of those guys. One at best but I don't see us breaking the bank for a guy like Norwell who will be overpaid and really does not fit our scheme all that well. I do think the 9ers will def be in the mix for T.Johnson but again, I don't see us breaking the bank and getting into a bidding war for him. He would really have to want to come and play here which possible since he is from the area plus we are obviously on the rise but so are the Rams who I think will lose him because they will not break the bank to get him but there will be at least one team ready to overspend for him. My gut says he goes elsewhere and takes the money.... Cleveland comes to mind and I read somewhere Oakland will go hard after him.


Love your 49ers mock draft, again though not sure how realistic but man if we come away with Roquan Smith, Ronald Jones and Carlton Davis, I will be as happy as can be. Those are 3 of my top draft "crushes"

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:

Would absolutely love this but this nut very realistic. No way we would be able to get Quinn, Norwell and Trumaine Johnson. Heck! I don't think we even have a shut of getting two of those guys. One at best but I don't see us breaking the bank for a guy like Norwell who will be overpaid and really does not fit our scheme all that well. I do think the 9ers will def be in the mix for T.Johnson but again, I don't see us breaking the bank and getting into a bidding war for him. He would really have to want to come and play here which possible since he is from the area plus we are obviously on the rise but so are the Rams who I think will lose him because they will not break the bank to get him but there will be at least one team ready to overspend for him. My gut says he goes elsewhere and takes the money.... Cleveland comes to mind and I read somewhere Oakland will go hard after him.


Love your 49ers mock draft, again though not sure how realistic but man if we come away with Roquan Smith, Ronald Jones and Carlton Davis, I will be as happy as can be. Those are 3 of my top draft "crushes"

Spoon is making peanuts. If we cut Ward, our CBs which we have none besides Williams as a whole aren't making nothing. Translation, we can break the bank for Johnson if we love him. And now thinking of it, he flourished when Gregg Williams ran the 4-3.

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:
Would absolutely love this but this nut very realistic. No way we would be able to get Quinn, Norwell and Trumaine Johnson. Heck! I don't think we even have a shut of getting two of those guys. One at best but I don't see us breaking the bank for a guy like Norwell who will be overpaid and really does not fit our scheme all that well. I do think the 9ers will def be in the mix for T.Johnson but again, I don't see us breaking the bank and getting into a bidding war for him. He would really have to want to come and play here which possible since he is from the area plus we are obviously on the rise but so are the Rams who I think will lose him because they will not break the bank to get him but there will be at least one team ready to overspend for him. My gut says he goes elsewhere and takes the money.... Cleveland comes to mind and I read somewhere Oakland will go hard after him.

Love your 49ers mock draft, again though not sure how realistic but man if we come away with Roquan Smith, Ronald Jones and Carlton Davis, I will be as happy as can be. Those are 3 of my top draft "crushes"

I dont see any reason why we wouldnt be able to sign them, unless you know something I dont know. Norwell and Johnson are FA's and Quinn is likely a cap casualty. It's very plausible that they could sign here. Norwell won't be overpaid, he will be paid his worth for being a top Guard in the NFL. It doesnt break our bank in the slightest. With the cuts I made it gives us roughly 90 million in space. I spent about 50 million on FAs. We could sign those guys and still be comfortable.

Originally posted by jersey49er:
I dislike the Johnson signing, I'd rather Fuller or Melvin, every other signing I like, honestly Love every player picked, but other then Roquan and Jones I think each player goes higher then you have them..but if this was the offseason then playoffs are a definite..thanks for your work..

I think Johnson is a heck of a player and given how hard FO went after Bouye last year, he makes the most for them to go after this season. I'd actually prefer Fuller or Melvin, but I think Lynch and Co love Trumaine Johnson, which I'd be okay with because hes very good.

In terms of where players go, Carlton Davis is likely a 2nd rounder. Interior OL dont get picked early. Over the last 10 drafts only 2.7 interior OL were picked in the top 50. Last year only 1 interior OL was picked top 50. Ragnow is prob a 3rd rounder right now due to injuries and hes a center...they dont go early. Crosby could go early but there are 5 tackles rated ahead of him right now. Josh Sweat is in a good spot on this draft. and Griffin is worth an earlier pick, but because of his missing appendage, teams will likely not look his way until day 3.

Originally posted by Dillesq:
I dont see any reason why we wouldnt be able to sign them, unless you know something I dont know. Norwell and Johnson are FA's and Quinn is likely a cap casualty. It's very plausible that they could sign here. Norwell won't be overpaid, he will be paid his worth for being a top Guard in the NFL. It doesnt break our bank in the slightest. With the cuts I made it gives us roughly 90 million in space. I spent about 50 million on FAs. We could sign those guys and still be comfortable.

I think you are off with respect to cap money. We only have about 62 or 63M now and your only cut is Ward (8.5). All the others are FA. You forgot about signing the draft class, probably need about 10 to 12M. Your FA's add up to about 40 to 45 and resigning Reid, Coyle and Fusco add another 10 to 15M. You have left 0 to 10M.

Originally posted by captainhook:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

I dont see any reason why we wouldnt be able to sign them, unless you know something I dont know. Norwell and Johnson are FA's and Quinn is likely a cap casualty. It's very plausible that they could sign here. Norwell won't be overpaid, he will be paid his worth for being a top Guard in the NFL. It doesnt break our bank in the slightest. With the cuts I made it gives us roughly 90 million in space. I spent about 50 million on FAs. We could sign those guys and still be comfortable.

I think you are off with respect to cap money. We only have about 62 or 63M now and your only cut is Ward (8.5). All the others are FA. You forgot about signing the draft class, probably need about 10 to 12M. Your FA's add up to about 40 to 45 and resigning Reid, Coyle and Fusco add another 10 to 15M. You have left 0 to 10M.

I don't know what you're reading but according to overthecap.com the Niners have 74.5 million at the moment.

Cutting ward is 8.5
Cutting Hyde is 1 million
Cutting johnson and Lynch is 1.2 million
Plus I added another 4 million in cuts to Gary Gilliam, douzable etc just didn't list them because they don't really matter.

All in all that's about 14 million in added space. 74.5 + 14 = 88.5.

So even if FA costs 50 million (im being conservative here), we'd still have 38.5 in space before the draft. If it costs 40 million then we'd have 48.5 for the draft.

Take away 12 million from the 38.5 for the draft class and that leaves us with 26.5-36.5 rolling over to next season.

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by captainhook:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

I dont see any reason why we wouldnt be able to sign them, unless you know something I dont know. Norwell and Johnson are FA's and Quinn is likely a cap casualty. It's very plausible that they could sign here. Norwell won't be overpaid, he will be paid his worth for being a top Guard in the NFL. It doesnt break our bank in the slightest. With the cuts I made it gives us roughly 90 million in space. I spent about 50 million on FAs. We could sign those guys and still be comfortable.

I think you are off with respect to cap money. We only have about 62 or 63M now and your only cut is Ward (8.5). All the others are FA. You forgot about signing the draft class, probably need about 10 to 12M. Your FA's add up to about 40 to 45 and resigning Reid, Coyle and Fusco add another 10 to 15M. You have left 0 to 10M.

I don't know what you're reading but according to overthecap.com the Niners have 74.5 million at the moment.

Cutting ward is 8.5
Cutting Hyde is 1 million
Cutting johnson and Lynch is 1.2 million
Plus I added another 4 million in cuts to Gary Gilliam, douzable etc just didn't list them because they don't really matter.

All in all that's about 14 million in added space. 74.5 + 14 = 88.5.

So even if FA costs 50 million (im being conservative here), we'd still have 38.5 in space before the draft. If it costs 40 million then we'd have 48.5 for the draft.

Take away 12 million from the 38.5 for the draft class and that leaves us with 26.5-36.5 rolling over to next season.

Bud you started this thing off cutting 4 players who are free agents. Now in defense of you salary cap mistakes you are adding their salaries from last year into cap savings.?? Not sure what to say. My biggest gripe after that is Johnson and Norwells contract figures. 4/64 and 4/56 is too much. Can see Johnson get 4-5 at 12-14 a year and Norwell will absolutely get 5 years and 12-13 a year. Quinn not a 9 million player anymore. Drafted good players but Davis won't be there and we not the colts want that trade. Start your off season knowing who's still on the team in 2018. Here's a hint, Ward the only guy under contract in 18 that you cut.