Why does everybody want to trade back? Lets get 2 studs and roll!

I say no trade back unless we get a kings ransom for our picks! Who cares if we don't pick again for a couple rounds after the first round! What is your rationale for giving up a 1st round pick to get a 2nd and 3rd instead? Give me 2 awesome 1st round talents all day vs a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round talent. The 2 first round players that we get are likely to be much better talents than the guys we get in 2nd and 3rd from trading back imo. We gave up an all pro player for the 13th pick so why settle for less than a game changer with that pick? A second tier wr, cb, or dl feels like a loss to me here if we move back to mid 20's after giving up Buck!
pick 13 Jeudy, Lamb, Ruggs best available
pick 31 best available ol,dl,cb which ever position has the highest graded player available at that point.
John and Kyle have been pretty good in the later rounds at finding diamonds so I'm not even trying to predict rounds 5-7

I see your point. Rather have 2 talented starters then depth that might not make the team. We don't have many openings at all. In the near future possibly

Originally posted by elguapo:

I see your point. Rather have 2 talented starters then depth that might not make the team. We don't have many openings at all. In the near future possibly

Why trade back and get a Pettis or Witherspoon. Get first round talent please.

But there in lies the rub. You yourself said why trade back. Pick 2 studs and roll. Thus meaning, you think we can get a stud at 31. So why not trade back from 13, get more picks and still get a stud.

You also said you wanted one of the top 3 WRS at 13. And they are likely to be much better than guys we can get in 2nd and 3rd. That could be true. But they wont be much better than the WRs we can get later in the 1st if we trade down.

Now for pick 31. We could very easily trade back and still get the DT or OG/C we may want. If thats a route they choose to go. And if not the one we want, one very very comparable.


We dont have to trade back just to trade back. We xan trade back with a plan and still get studs. While recouping some picks

Originally posted by krizay:

But there in lies the rub. You yourself said why trade back. Pick 2 studs and roll. Thus meaning, you think we can get a stud at 31. So why not trade back from 13, get more picks and still get a stud.

You also said you wanted one of the top 3 WRS at 13. And they are likely to be much better than guys we can get in 2nd and 3rd. That could be true. But they wont be much better than the WRs we can get later in the 1st if we trade down.

Now for pick 31. We could very easily trade back and still get the DT or OG/C we may want. If thats a route they choose to go. And if not the one we want, one very very comparable.


We dont have to trade back just to trade back. We xan trade back with a plan and still get studs. While recouping some picks

In my opinion if we trade back from 13 to say 22 the wr available will be a different tier imo there's a significant drop off in talent after Jeudy,Lamb, and Ruggs! I don't think Jefferson or mims are in the same conversation!

If we trade from 31 down to say 44 or something I also think the player we select at 44 would a lower tier player than 31 at the same position!

I get it we all love having picks but getting 2 1st rounders instead of a 1,2,and 3 is still better to me give me quality over quantity any day! There's a reason we had to pay such a high price to get that 13 pick! I understand what you guys are saying that we can get more talent with trade downs but what if the talent level of each player is a significant drop off from what was available at our original picks?

Originally posted by krizay:

But there in lies the rub. You yourself said why trade back. Pick 2 studs and roll. Thus meaning, you think we can get a stud at 31. So why not trade back from 13, get more picks and still get a stud.

You also said you wanted one of the top 3 WRS at 13. And they are likely to be much better than guys we can get in 2nd and 3rd. That could be true. But they wont be much better than the WRs we can get later in the 1st if we trade down.

Now for pick 31. We could very easily trade back and still get the DT or OG/C we may want. If thats a route they choose to go. And if not the one we want, one very very comparable.


We dont have to trade back just to trade back. We xan trade back with a plan and still get studs. While recouping some picks

Nailed it Krizay. Niners need to draft or trade as the draft unfolds according to their board. Plus there is no guarantee that those first two picks turn out to be studs. It's the NFL draft. The more picks the more chances teams have to get it right.

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:

Originally posted by krizay:

But there in lies the rub. You yourself said why trade back. Pick 2 studs and roll. Thus meaning, you think we can get a stud at 31. So why not trade back from 13, get more picks and still get a stud.

You also said you wanted one of the top 3 WRS at 13. And they are likely to be much better than guys we can get in 2nd and 3rd. That could be true. But they wont be much better than the WRs we can get later in the 1st if we trade down.

Now for pick 31. We could very easily trade back and still get the DT or OG/C we may want. If thats a route they choose to go. And if not the one we want, one very very comparable.


We dont have to trade back just to trade back. We xan trade back with a plan and still get studs. While recouping some picks

Nailed it Krizay. Niners need to draft or trade as the draft unfolds according to their board. Plus there is no guarantee that those first two picks turn out to be studs. It's the NFL draft. The more picks the more chances teams have to get it right.

Or the more chances to get it wrong! If we had traded back for more picks last year we would've ended up with another defensive lineman besides Bosa and we see how those other guys worked out for everyone else with the exception of Allen who went off! so yeah give me quality over quantity!

I'm gonna agree with almost everything you said but also answer your question. First I'm 100% with drafting 1 or any of the top 3 WR at 13! No matter who's available. At 31 we can absolutely grab the best at IOL, IDL or CB and as you said roll. But, if you separate the prospects into tiers, in my opinion from about 25-40 is very similar. Let's look further at each position.

IOL Ruiz, Cushenberry, Hennessy, Hunt, Jackson

CB Terrell, Arnette, Diggs, Hall, Igbinoghene

IDL Gallimore, Blacklock, Madubuike, Davidson, Hamilton

The above players are all ranked from mid 20's to the 70's. Let's pretend we prefer Diggs at CB, Blacklock at IDL and Ruiz at IOL and all 3 are gone at 31. In that scenario we could be in a situation where we find someone willing to trade up like Detroit (35 and 67) Jacksonville (42 and 73) or Miami with (39 and 70)

Most of that list is still available at 35,39, and 42 and a few from that list are also still there at 67,70, or 73.

If we have our guy at 31 available I agree. But if we can add 3 starters by year 2 rather then 2, and the talent drop off is minimal I prefer an extra dart to throw.

Originally posted by Its49ers4Life:
Or the more chances to get it wrong! If we had traded back for more picks last year we would've ended up with another defensive lineman besides Bosa and we see how those other guys worked out for everyone else with the exception of Allen who went off! so yeah give me quality over quantity!

Bosa is a beast. But if He went to OAK and was the only DL they had he wouldn't have had the same kind of year. It's no coincidence that the top two players had help. Allen had Dareus, Campbell and Ngakoue along side him. So like Bosa of course he is going to do more than a guy like Ferrell who is doing it by himself.

You can't just look at stats and say well this or that. You have to look at every situation. Deebo was taken in the 2nd round. Do you consider him to be a stud? Do you think he was the best WR in the draft? He is/was a very talented WR that went to a great situation. There is no reason to believe that guys like Aiyuk and Raegor couldn't do the same if put in this situation.

Originally posted by Its49ers4Life:

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:

Originally posted by krizay:

But there in lies the rub. You yourself said why trade back. Pick 2 studs and roll. Thus meaning, you think we can get a stud at 31. So why not trade back from 13, get more picks and still get a stud.

You also said you wanted one of the top 3 WRS at 13. And they are likely to be much better than guys we can get in 2nd and 3rd. That could be true. But they wont be much better than the WRs we can get later in the 1st if we trade down.

Now for pick 31. We could very easily trade back and still get the DT or OG/C we may want. If thats a route they choose to go. And if not the one we want, one very very comparable.


We dont have to trade back just to trade back. We xan trade back with a plan and still get studs. While recouping some picks

Nailed it Krizay. Niners need to draft or trade as the draft unfolds according to their board. Plus there is no guarantee that those first two picks turn out to be studs. It's the NFL draft. The more picks the more chances teams have to get it right.

Or the more chances to get it wrong! If we had traded back for more picks last year we would've ended up with another defensive lineman besides Bosa and we see how those other guys worked out for everyone else with the exception of Allen who went off! so yeah give me quality over quantity!

But that didn't happen, did it? They had Bosa as their top prospect on their board so they took him. Same thing this year. If one of the top WR's is on the board and the 49ers want that particular player, they take him. If not, trade down to get exactly who they want and max value for the picks.

Originally posted by davidboutte:

I'm gonna agree with almost everything you said but also answer your question. First I'm 100% with drafting 1 or any of the top 3 WR at 13! No matter who's available. At 31 we can absolutely grab the best at IOL, IDL or CB and as you said roll. But, if you separate the prospects into tiers, in my opinion from about 25-40 is very similar. Let's look further at each position.

IOL Ruiz, Cushenberry, Hennessy, Hunt, Jackson

CB Terrell, Arnette, Diggs, Hall, Igbinoghene

IDL Gallimore, Blacklock, Madubuike, Davidson, Hamilton

The above players are all ranked from mid 20's to the 70's. Let's pretend we prefer Diggs at CB, Blacklock at IDL and Ruiz at IOL and all 3 are gone at 31. In that scenario we could be in a situation where we find someone willing to trade up like Detroit (35 and 67) Jacksonville (42 and 73) or Miami with (39 and 70)

Most of that list is still available at 35,39, and 42 and a few from that list are also still there at 67,70, or 73.

If we have our guy at 31 available I agree. But if we can add 3 starters by year 2 rather then 2, and the talent drop off is minimal I prefer an extra dart to throw.

Yes that's a very logical breakdown and I'm ok if it works out like that but a lot of the projected trades that I'm seeing involve us dropping way to many spots just to add another pick! If there's 2-3 guys we like on the board available at our pick and we can move back a few slots and still get our guy I'm ok with that. I'm just not down to be trading back just to get extra picks!

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Its49ers4Life:

Or the more chances to get it wrong! If we had traded back for more picks last year we would've ended up with another defensive lineman besides Bosa and we see how those other guys worked out for everyone else with the exception of Allen who went off! so yeah give me quality over quantity!

Bosa is a beast. But if He went to OAK and was the only DL they had he wouldn't have had the same kind of year. It's no coincidence that the top two players had help. Allen had Dareus, Campbell and Ngakoue along side him. So like Bosa of course he is going to do more than a guy like Ferrell who is doing it by himself.

You can't just look at stats and say well this or that. You have to look at every situation. Deebo was taken in the 2nd round. Do you consider him to be a stud? Do you think he was the best WR in the draft? He is/was a very talented WR that went to a great situation. There is no reason to believe that guys like Aiyuk and Raegor couldn't do the same if put in this situation.

Bosa would've been better than any of those guys no matter what team he played on! Even without the numbers he was playing better but he just wasn't getting the sacks! My point is yes those other guys are good too but why settle for Allen or Ferrell when you have the chance to get Bosa! Just so you have more picks?

Deebo was also a possible first round talent though! I'm not saying we can't still get good players in later rounds but Pettis was also a 2nd round pick! Deebo has a great skill set for the way Kyle uses him. You have to draft for scheme fits we don't need another Deebo we need to compliment Deebo so the defense has more to worry about!

Originally posted by Its49ers4Life:

Bosa would've been better than any of those guys no matter what team he played on! Even without the numbers he was playing better but he just wasn't getting the sacks! My point is yes those other guys are good too but why settle for Allen or Ferrell when you have the chance to get Bosa! Just so you have more picks?

Deebo was also a possible first round talent though! I'm not saying we can't still get good players in later rounds but Pettis was also a 2nd round pick! Deebo has a great skill set for the way Kyle uses him. You have to draft for scheme fits we don't need another Deebo we need to compliment Deebo so the defense has more to worry about!

So you're saying only 3 WRs in the draft compliment Deebo?

No need in going back and forth. You believe what you believe. I see it differently. and I'm moving on

I traded back twice and got this haul :)

Your Picks:

Round 1 Pick 17 (DAL): Henry Ruggs, WR, Alabama (A-)
Round 2 Pick 3 (DET): Cesar Ruiz, C/OG, Michigan (A-)
Round 2 Pick 19 (DAL): Raekwon Davis, DE/DT, Alabama (B+)
Round 3 Pick 18 (DAL): Antonio Gandy-Golden, WR, Liberty (A)
Round 3 Pick 21 (DET): Akeem Davis-Gaither, OLB, Appalachian State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 10: Jeremy Chinn, FS/SS, Southern Illinois (A+)
Round 5 Pick 30: Brandon Pili, DT, USC (A+)
Round 6 Pick 31: Jared Pinkney, TE, Vanderbilt (A+)
Round 7 Pick 3: Rodrigo Blankenship, K, Georgia (A+)
Round 7 Pick 31: Rashad Robinson, CB, James Madison (A-)

Originally posted by 49erminion:

I traded back twice and got this haul :)

Your Picks:

Round 1 Pick 17 (DAL): Henry Ruggs, WR, Alabama (A-)
Round 2 Pick 3 (DET): Cesar Ruiz, C/OG, Michigan (A-)
Round 2 Pick 19 (DAL): Raekwon Davis, DE/DT, Alabama (B+)
Round 3 Pick 18 (DAL): Antonio Gandy-Golden, WR, Liberty (A)
Round 3 Pick 21 (DET): Akeem Davis-Gaither, OLB, Appalachian State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 10: Jeremy Chinn, FS/SS, Southern Illinois (A+)
Round 5 Pick 30: Brandon Pili, DT, USC (A+)
Round 6 Pick 31: Jared Pinkney, TE, Vanderbilt (A+)
Round 7 Pick 3: Rodrigo Blankenship, K, Georgia (A+)
Round 7 Pick 31: Rashad Robinson, CB, James Madison (A-)

And this is the kind of trade back im talking about. Doesn't have to be a huge trade back. But even if it were we still could get a comparable WR if thats the route they choose.

But a small trade back would still net us a stud while offering us more picks.