A for sure!
Crabtree plus an additional first rounder next year? Enough said!
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Rate our 2009 Draft.
Rate our 2009 Draft.
Apr 26, 2009 at 3:52 PM
- DynastyPart2
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Apr 26, 2009 at 3:52 PM
- YungAce
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Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
DEf an A. Morons in this forum think we don't have a pass rush, but we do. Two first next year give us a great chance to move up in the first and get that franchise QB. Very good move there. Tebow, McCoy, OR Bradford. Great move.
.. more like a future practice squad FB
Apr 26, 2009 at 3:52 PM
- miked1978
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This draft shows how much faith the 49ers have in Haralson and Lawson to apply pressure on the QB. Haralson is only going to get better so... plus our D was 13th overall last year and we didn't lose any starters besides Roman who sucks anyways. I also think we will see Willis blitz more too.
Apr 26, 2009 at 3:54 PM
- SunDevilNiner79
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I gave it a B. No O-line help I can deal with, but no pass rusher? Its been 6 years since we had a pass rusher top 10 sacks (Andre Carter). And that happens to be the last time we went to playoffs, connection? hmmm....
Apr 26, 2009 at 3:56 PM
- tagliabue
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I give it a B until we have a better idea of the talent pool and position of our Panthers 1st next year.
Based on the schedule and the strength of the draft there's a very good chance we'll be able to add some special pieces.
Maybe we can take a page from what the Eagles did this year.
Based on the schedule and the strength of the draft there's a very good chance we'll be able to add some special pieces.
Maybe we can take a page from what the Eagles did this year.
Apr 26, 2009 at 3:56 PM
- kray28
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Either a real pass rusher, or a real 3-4 NT was the critical need.
A great NT frees up you linebackers to be the defacto pass rushers.
A great NT frees up you linebackers to be the defacto pass rushers.
Apr 26, 2009 at 3:57 PM
- AllTimeGreat
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It does't look like we got a lot of our needs met but we did do quite well considering we traded away two of our 4 highest draft picks. I would've liked to see a pass rusher....but Michael Crabtree changed all of that. When you have an opportunity to draft Crabtree you have to take it no matter if it wasn't our most needed position. We are still a bad team with lots of holes to feel and a gamebreaker on offense is also a big need for us.
We drafetd a RB to spell Gore (Hope he can gain some weight to is frame to be the bruiser we need) and got some solid backups and some talent and potential. THere aren't exactly tons of great pass rushers hanging around at that part of the draft folks.
I would've liked to see us go in a different direction with our 5th rounder Scot McKillop, (Duke Robinson) we did good with what we had. THe trade didn't help us now, but could be HUGE for us in the future.
Our pass rush still sucks and we dont have a long term solution at RT yet, but we got a couple playmakers on offense, some late round potential and a few solid role playing backups too. That's a good mix.
Guys we got Michael freaking Crabtree. That alone makes this draft a B.
We drafetd a RB to spell Gore (Hope he can gain some weight to is frame to be the bruiser we need) and got some solid backups and some talent and potential. THere aren't exactly tons of great pass rushers hanging around at that part of the draft folks.
I would've liked to see us go in a different direction with our 5th rounder Scot McKillop, (Duke Robinson) we did good with what we had. THe trade didn't help us now, but could be HUGE for us in the future.
Our pass rush still sucks and we dont have a long term solution at RT yet, but we got a couple playmakers on offense, some late round potential and a few solid role playing backups too. That's a good mix.
Guys we got Michael freaking Crabtree. That alone makes this draft a B.
Apr 26, 2009 at 3:58 PM
- PacTiger
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Originally posted by miked1978:
This draft shows how much faith the 49ers have in Haralson and Lawson to apply pressure on the QB. Haralson is only going to get better so... plus our D was 13th overall last year and we didn't lose any starters besides Roman who sucks anyways. I also think we will see Willis blitz more too.
I disagree. This draft shows the lack of talented DE's the front office felt was in this years draft. If there was somebody high on the 9ers draft board after the crabtree pick I doubt they make the trade. Whoever was still there might not have pushed haralson for playing time. So drafting other positions makes sense to me.
The Clayton era is over. The niners needed everything they picked. I can't argue with any of their picks.
Apr 26, 2009 at 3:58 PM
- IWantWinners
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Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:
D+/C-
I am flabbergasted. Did anybody predict that we could go through this entire draft without drafting a single O-lineman or pass rusher? (with a 7th round pick to go)
We're all backtracking now that this is/ was a weak draft overall, but at no point was the timing there or BPA there who happened to be an O-lineman or pass rusher?
I thought that the consensus was we needed help at the anchors and edges?
What the hell?
I am not too worried about the pass rusher because I know Lawson and Haralson can get the job done. Oline is a little shaky though but you are way too hard on your grade. A D+ really? Crabtree and 2 1sts next year is enough to give this draft a B already.
Apr 26, 2009 at 4:01 PM
- IWantWinners
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btw Franklin played like a stud after Sing took over. We finished top 4 in points allowed after Sing took over so quit worrying about the D.
Apr 26, 2009 at 4:02 PM
- RKab
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I'll go "B"
I loved day one, getting crabtree and a #1 next year were great strokes of luck.
Coffee seems to be someone who could help around the goal line so I like the pick, though I really feel the 3rd round was really weak and there will be only a handful of potential starters in that round at best.
McKillop I like a lot and think he'll be a solid player for years for the 49ers. Davis is a high risk/high reward type who slip to the end of the 5th. Considering the loss of the 2nd and 4th round pick, I would have gone in a different direction probably and not worried about the QB until later.
I like Pascoe and think we've really put together an offense that will finally be able to score points in the end zone. Crabtree gets open in the endzone and has leaping ability, Pascoe is the blocking tight end we need, Coffee gives us the goal line back. These were all fundamental pieces that were really lacking in previous years when Nolan would just call a time out and then run Gore behind Larry Allen and cross his fingers that something good would happen.
I see people moaning about lack of OL or pass rushers. I just don't think there were any special players available where we were picking. Oher went at 23, it would have been a reach to take him and when someone like Crabtree falls to you you take him. The pass rushers were pretty much interchangeable without any real elite prospects who could play every down.
At some point, all the picks we've made on OL and DL/OLB need to show something. Baas, Snyder, Lawson, Balmer, Rachal etc. This will probably be the watershed year for some of these guys (not the 2008 draftees) and if they cannot cut it, we'll have a deeper draft and two #1s to address the issue next year.
I loved day one, getting crabtree and a #1 next year were great strokes of luck.
Coffee seems to be someone who could help around the goal line so I like the pick, though I really feel the 3rd round was really weak and there will be only a handful of potential starters in that round at best.
McKillop I like a lot and think he'll be a solid player for years for the 49ers. Davis is a high risk/high reward type who slip to the end of the 5th. Considering the loss of the 2nd and 4th round pick, I would have gone in a different direction probably and not worried about the QB until later.
I like Pascoe and think we've really put together an offense that will finally be able to score points in the end zone. Crabtree gets open in the endzone and has leaping ability, Pascoe is the blocking tight end we need, Coffee gives us the goal line back. These were all fundamental pieces that were really lacking in previous years when Nolan would just call a time out and then run Gore behind Larry Allen and cross his fingers that something good would happen.
I see people moaning about lack of OL or pass rushers. I just don't think there were any special players available where we were picking. Oher went at 23, it would have been a reach to take him and when someone like Crabtree falls to you you take him. The pass rushers were pretty much interchangeable without any real elite prospects who could play every down.
At some point, all the picks we've made on OL and DL/OLB need to show something. Baas, Snyder, Lawson, Balmer, Rachal etc. This will probably be the watershed year for some of these guys (not the 2008 draftees) and if they cannot cut it, we'll have a deeper draft and two #1s to address the issue next year.
Apr 26, 2009 at 4:08 PM
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Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:
D+/C-
I am flabbergasted. Did anybody predict that we could go through this entire draft without drafting a single O-lineman or pass rusher? (with a 7th round pick to go)
We're all backtracking now that this is/ was a weak draft overall, but at no point was the timing there or BPA there who happened to be an O-lineman or pass rusher?
I thought that the consensus was we needed help at the anchors and edges?
What the hell?
I have to agree -- if you take off the rose tinted glasses, we didn't address our needs. And a 2nd for a 1st next year? Its not like we don't need talent NOW. I can't believe there wasn't even a project OT at the end somewhere??
We'll wait and see how the season goes. If our team looks like last year -- o-line weak and pass rush toothless -- this is a lame draft. And we'll be wishing we tood a pass rusher regardless of Crabtree being there.
If we are improved, then it won't be because of the draft, it will be because McC and Sing saw we had exisitng talent on the team that isn't evident to us fans yet.
Apr 26, 2009 at 4:08 PM
- PacTiger
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Originally posted by RKab:
I'll go "B"
I loved day one, getting crabtree and a #1 next year were great strokes of luck.
Coffee seems to be someone who could help around the goal line so I like the pick, though I really feel the 3rd round was really weak and there will be only a handful of potential starters in that round at best.
McKillop I like a lot and think he'll be a solid player for years for the 49ers. Davis is a high risk/high reward type who slip to the end of the 5th. Considering the loss of the 2nd and 4th round pick, I would have gone in a different direction probably and not worried about the QB until later.
I like Pascoe and think we've really put together an offense that will finally be able to score points in the end zone. Crabtree gets open in the endzone and has leaping ability, Pascoe is the blocking tight end we need, Coffee gives us the goal line back. These were all fundamental pieces that were really lacking in previous years when Nolan would just call a time out and then run Gore behind Larry Allen and cross his fingers that something good would happen.
I see people moaning about lack of OL or pass rushers. I just don't think there were any special players available where we were picking. Oher went at 23, it would have been a reach to take him and when someone like Crabtree falls to you you take him. The pass rushers were pretty much interchangeable without any real elite prospects who could play every down.
At some point, all the picks we've made on OL and DL/OLB need to show something. Baas, Snyder, Lawson, Balmer, Rachal etc. This will probably be the watershed year for some of these guys (not the 2008 draftees) and if they cannot cut it, we'll have a deeper draft and two #1s to address the issue next year.
I agree. I will give the grade of an A for this draft. I have no idea what players will pan out so I grade on need and the basic direction of the draft.
Apr 26, 2009 at 4:10 PM
- highway49
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A good,solid draft....it's at this time after the draft that i'm glad i'm not a scout or GM type, because all of my so-called knowlege and projections have gone up in flames...but as always it's been a blast....
Apr 26, 2009 at 4:15 PM
- nvchamp9ers
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Speaking form a Db's coach perspective...Crabtree alone makes this draft a B+, the guy is a freaking nightmare to cover, you can roll coverages his way etc but his quickness out of breaks make him a nightmare, not to mention his dang hands are like big ol catcher gloves. the other pick i really like is RJF, he has all the talent to come in and START, it is up to Singletary to bring it out of him and his DL coach to coach up his technique, but the sky is the limit for this kid, overall i am very pleased with this draft.