Questions about Colt McCoy...

Originally posted by PTulini:
If it were up to me (I know its not ) I would draft Colt McCoy. He may not have the elite arm strength that so many "experts" fall in love with, but I promise you he has enough to get the job done. I think other than that, he has everything else you look for in a QB. (Tangibles, Intangibles, Accuracy, Leadership...) Plus, with weapons like Crabtree and Vernon Davis, Colt McCoy doesn't need an elite arm. He can throw accurate short and intermediate passes then let his playmakers get the YAC. Perfect QB for the type of offense Coach Singletary wants to implement.

Besides, Can you imagine Colt McCoy and Michael Crabtree in the same offense in stead of against eachother?

that was an amazing game. just think we can draft McCoy and then draft crabtree again in the 2nd once he re-enters th draft

Originally posted by dobophile:
Just watch the Shootout in October and the National Championship Game in January.

So he can see Matt Barkley lead the trojans over the florida gators, as the PAC 10 improves its record against the SEC to 11-7 since 2000.

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1) I don't like Bradford. He is uber-productive, but everything about him SCREAMS Alex Smith to me.

Originally posted by FnkyPhantom:

Bradford doesn't fit that mold. That spread offense that they run at OK doesn't hunt in the NFL. He is atrocious under center and is not all that elusive. Also not an accurate passer on the run. Has a cannon for an arm and good efficiency....when he is standing upright in the pocket with time. Always a challenge to convert shotgun QB's to taking direct snaps.

Wow. I'm not sure I've ever seen two opinions that I could disagree with more. First, how exactly does Bradford scream Alex Smith? Smith was in a one read passing attack with a heavy emphasis on running. Smith was asked to make option reads running and used his legs to make plays. Bradford couldn't be any more of the opposite. Bradford has a better arm, is WAY more accurate, and is a pass first pocket QB.

Secondly, Phantom where are you getting your information? I would say OK runs a VERY similar offense to that of the Patriots. Seemed to work okay for them. Now where are you getting info that Bradford is "atrocious" under center? Almost laughable really. Bradford may not be asked to play under center but that by no means makes him atrocious. Actually, if you could back up that statement I would love to see it. Do you have a breakdown of snaps taken from under center. Being that I've watched every game since he has taken the starting job at OU (If my bias hasn't shown, I'm a huge OU fan) Bradford has excelled when under center especially using Play Action. Again, where are you getting your info? Where do you find that Bradford is not accurate on the run?

What is with the blind hatred for OU players recently. Bradford is not in the same mold as past OU quarterbacks. It is amazing to see how little respect he is getting this year after a Heisman campaign. I guess that's what losing bowl games will do to a team.

Arm strength is the single most overrated aspect of a QB. In fact other than Favre and Elway, no SB winning QB in recent memory had what I would call a cannon for an arm. A quick release, accuracy, and good decision making is far more important.

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by PTulini:
If it were up to me (I know its not ) I would draft Colt McCoy. He may not have the elite arm strength that so many "experts" fall in love with, but I promise you he has enough to get the job done. I think other than that, he has everything else you look for in a QB. (Tangibles, Intangibles, Accuracy, Leadership...) Plus, with weapons like Crabtree and Vernon Davis, Colt McCoy doesn't need an elite arm. He can throw accurate short and intermediate passes then let his playmakers get the YAC. Perfect QB for the type of offense Coach Singletary wants to implement.

Besides, Can you imagine Colt McCoy and Michael Crabtree in the same offense in stead of against eachother?

that was an amazing game. just think we can draft McCoy and then draft crabtree again in the 2nd once he re-enters th draft

I still can't believe gideon dropped that ball....

and now i miss Michael Crabtree lol

Was their ever a mention of losing bowl games in anyone's post? I evalute Bradford on individual performance/abilities and not necessarily on team accomplishments or failures. And like yourself, I'm a HUGE OU fan; born and bred. I've been watching him for as long as you have. Maybe we can get together and break down OU game film for the last 3 years (might be fun!) and I can give you my thoughts and opinions as to why I don't think Bradford may not be a great fit for the NFL. That's actually the only way I think that I would be able to justify my thought process to you.

You do bring up a good point though, with regards to teams like the Pat's that run an offesive scheme somewhat similar to OU. But it's not exactly the same. Nor are the defenses run in the NFL. I know that my post makes it sound like he's a potential "bust" (maybe too harsh in my address), but I do feel that he will struggle in the NFL with his style of play. As much as I dispise UT (as an OU fan it is a requirement), I do feel that McCoy has the skills to be a good NFL QB right out of the shoot (relatively speaking of course. He still would have a learning curve).

Agreeing to disagree is OK. Not looking to shoot anyone down here.

Originally posted by FnkyPhantom:
Was their ever a mention of losing bowl games in anyone's post? I evalute Bradford on individual performance/abilities and not necessarily on team accomplishments or failures. And like yourself, I'm a HUGE OU fan; born and bred. I've been watching him for as long as you have. Maybe we can get together and break down OU game film for the last 3 years (might be fun!) and I can give you my thoughts and opinions as to why I don't think Bradford may not be a great fit for the NFL. That's actually the only way I think that I would be able to justify my thought process to you.

You do bring up a good point though, with regards to teams like the Pat's that run an offesive scheme somewhat similar to OU. But it's not exactly the same. Nor are the defenses run in the NFL. I know that my post makes it sound like he's a potential "bust" (maybe too harsh in my address), but I do feel that he will struggle in the NFL with his style of play. As much as I dispise UT (as an OU fan it is a requirement), I do feel that McCoy has the skills to be a good NFL QB right out of the shoot (relatively speaking of course. He still would have a learning curve).

Agreeing to disagree is OK. Not looking to shoot anyone down here.

I guess we'd differ on your comments in your original post which I have already argued. I did some quick research afterwards just on ESPN's Insider and looked at the scouting reports for both QB's to make sure I wasn't going insane. The basic jist from a professional opinion (Unfortunately mine doesn't qualify ) I'll try and highlight from the article below.

Most accurate passer in college football today. Displays good mechanics. Excellent balance as a passer. Steps into most of his throws and drives off the back leg. Good follow through. Very good with the pump fake; frequently gets receivers open by pumping off the safety or linebacker.

Quick feet. Consistently sidesteps the rush. Not overly elusive but displays enough quickness, agility and speed to turn the corner and pick up the first down when nothing available. Throws accurately on the run to both sides. Does not need to pull up while throwing on the run.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25545

My main problem is that I just don't see any proof to back up what you were saying. I guess if it's an opinion there is no need but we must not be watching the same guy. Say what you want, and I have no proof, but I find it incredibly hard to believe that you are an OU fan when you say that Bradford is "atrocious" under center or that he has trouble throwing on the run.

I cannot wait for Texas/OU in Dallas to see Bradford and McCoy go at it one more time.

Living in Dallas I have watched both these QB go at. I lean toward McCoy as my favorite QB in that he had to deal with a lot of adversity his first year (major injury, poor play, Texas Alum, etc) and where a lot of guys would have curled up in a ball and died he learned from it and got better. He makes quick decisions, has an NFL quality arm, great vision, is very grounded with a strong support system in family, faith, and friends. Most importantly he is a leader (multiple come from behind victories) and has that “it” factor that so many people talk about.

Bradford is actually similar to McCoy grew up in a small town smart, grounded, good support systems. Has a great arm is a leader, makes quick smart decisions on the field. The question many have is how will he handle adversity and where you can see McCoy and the “it” factor Bradford probably does have “it” but when haven’t seen it yet.

Frankly I would be happy with either one but by a slight edge a prefer McCoy.

Originally posted by Bejaard49er:
I cannot wait for Texas/OU in Dallas to see Bradford and McCoy go at it one more time.

Living in Dallas I have watched both these QB go at. I lean toward McCoy as my favorite QB in that he had to deal with a lot of adversity his first year (major injury, poor play, Texas Alum, etc) and where a lot of guys would have curled up in a ball and died he learned from it and got better. He makes quick decisions, has an NFL quality arm, great vision, is very grounded with a strong support system in family, faith, and friends. Most importantly he is a leader (multiple come from behind victories) and has that “it” factor that so many people talk about.

Bradford is actually similar to McCoy grew up in a small town smart, grounded, good support systems. Has a great arm is a leader, makes quick smart decisions on the field. The question many have is how will he handle adversity and where you can see McCoy and the “it” factor Bradford probably does have “it” but when haven’t seen it yet.

Frankly I would be happy with either one but by a slight edge a prefer McCoy.

McCoy has a cooler name too. Colt McCoy sounds bad ass, he's the real McCoy. Alex Smith? Shaun Hill? boring names, boring play. Steve Young, Joe Montana, John Elway, Jay Cutler, Dan Marino, Troy Aikman, Peyton Manning, out of the ordinary names, extraordinary play. dont know where this rant came from but it means i cant wait till the regular season starts haha

As I said before..........Stafford and Sanchez >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Snead, McCoy, Bradford, Tebow, Robinson, LaFevor (sp), etc.

Originally posted by FL9er:
As I said before..........Stafford and Sanchez >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Snead, McCoy, Bradford, Tebow, Robinson, LaFevor (sp), etc.

we dont know that yet, im sure some people thought Ryan Leaf was gonna be pretty good since he was drafted so high, look what happened to him

Originally posted by FL9er:
As I said before..........Stafford and Sanchez >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Snead, McCoy, Bradford, Tebow, Robinson, LaFevor (sp), etc.

ok i have a question if stafford and sanchez are that much better than how did bradford and tebow win the heisman and go to the championship game

I hope I don't sound like I'm backpeddling, but what I meant to convey was that IMO, I like Stafford & Sanchez's NFL potential better than the QBs that will be coming out in the next 2 years, of course how guys like Snead develop could make me eat my words.

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by FL9er:
As I said before..........Stafford and Sanchez >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Snead, McCoy, Bradford, Tebow, Robinson, LaFevor (sp), etc.

ok i have a question if stafford and sanchez are that much better than how did bradford and tebow win the heisman and go to the championship game

2000 Chris Weinke
1989 Andre Ware
1993 Charlie Ward
1996 Danny Wuerffel
2003 Jason White
2006 Troy Smith

Just because your a great college QB doesn't mean you will be a great pro QB.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by FL9er:
As I said before..........Stafford and Sanchez >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Snead, McCoy, Bradford, Tebow, Robinson, LaFevor (sp), etc.

ok i have a question if stafford and sanchez are that much better than how did bradford and tebow win the heisman and go to the championship game

2000 Chris Weinke
1989 Andre Ware
1993 Charlie Ward
1996 Danny Wuerffel
2003 Jason White
2006 Troy Smith

Just because your a great college QB doesn't mean you will be a great pro QB.

lol alex smith