The Christian Ponder Bandwagon

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Like i've said for weeks, we're going to have to trade up into the FIRST round to get Ponder.

Hopefully after watching the combine the rest of the board realizes that when healthy, he is the best quarterback in this draft class. There are too many teams that draft ahead of us in the 2nd round that need qb's.

Note, if we do in fact plan to trade into round number 1, it will have to be AHEAD of Seattle at pick number 25. The most likely spot to do so would be NE at pick 17. I wouldn't be shocked at all if Min picked Ponder at 12.

Maybe we should just trade back to like 17 or something and pick up an extra pick later?

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Like i've said for weeks, we're going to have to trade up into the FIRST round to get Ponder.

Hopefully after watching the combine the rest of the board realizes that when healthy, he is the best quarterback in this draft class. There are too many teams that draft ahead of us in the 2nd round that need qb's.

Note, if we do in fact plan to trade into round number 1, it will have to be AHEAD of Seattle at pick number 25. The most likely spot to do so would be NE at pick 17. I wouldn't be shocked at all if Min picked Ponder at 12.

Maybe we should just trade back to like 17 or something and pick up an extra pick later?

Idk. I mean there is some really elite talent available at 7. Quinn, Green, Miller, Peterson, Amukamara. I'd say if those 5 aren't there... absolutely trade down.

I actually think that Baalke stands a good chance at trading up TWICE in the first round. If he wants Peterson or Miller say, and he thinks someone else will take them, wouldn't be shocked for a second to see him move on one of those guys. Then, ALSO trade again from the 2nd round back into the first for Ponder.

Baalke is a no nonsense kind of guy. There's no f'n around with him. He proved that by moving up on Anthony Davis and by landing Jim Harbaugh

It would be ideal if new england wanted to trade up to 7 with us since they have so many picks. What would it take to trade up to the bottom of the first, our second and what else?

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Like i've said for weeks, we're going to have to trade up into the FIRST round to get Ponder.

Hopefully after watching the combine the rest of the board realizes that when healthy, he is the best quarterback in this draft class. There are too many teams that draft ahead of us in the 2nd round that need qb's.

Note, if we do in fact plan to trade into round number 1, it will have to be AHEAD of Seattle at pick number 25. The most likely spot to do so would be NE at pick 17. I wouldn't be shocked at all if Min picked Ponder at 12.

Maybe we should just trade back to like 17 or something and pick up an extra pick later?

Idk. I mean there is some really elite talent available at 7. Quinn, Green, Miller, Peterson, Amukamara. I'd say if those 5 aren't there... absolutely trade down.

I actually think that Baalke stands a good chance at trading up TWICE in the first round. If he wants Peterson or Miller say, and he thinks someone else will take them, wouldn't be shocked for a second to see him move on one of those guys. Then, ALSO trade again from the 2nd round back into the first for Ponder.

Baalke is a no nonsense kind of guy. There's no f'n around with him. He proved that by moving up on Anthony Davis and by landing Jim Harbaugh

Well the thing is, if you trade back and get extra picks or whatever like a 2nd and a 6th or something like that, you are getting another quality player+a shot on someone later. I really like Peterson and Prince, don't get me wrong. But if Ponder is your guy then you take him I guess. I really dont want to have to trade up for Ponder though, or use a first on him. It f**king pisses me off because I've been saying he's good for like 2 years(not just on this board, haven't really been public about it that long, but as far as watching him play) and then I was thinking we could get him in the 2nd and now everybody jumps on the bandwagon and sees that he's actually good.

I'm not sure Seattle would take him though, I thought they'd take a guy like Locker because he's a bit more athletic and he'd be the local hero. Stanzi could be our guy also, I really doubt he'll get up into the first round. IDK we'll have to see how it all shakes out I guess.

All I know is I am very impressed with this guy.

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Like i've said for weeks, we're going to have to trade up into the FIRST round to get Ponder.

Hopefully after watching the combine the rest of the board realizes that when healthy, he is the best quarterback in this draft class. There are too many teams that draft ahead of us in the 2nd round that need qb's.

Note, if we do in fact plan to trade into round number 1, it will have to be AHEAD of Seattle at pick number 25. The most likely spot to do so would be NE at pick 17. I wouldn't be shocked at all if Min picked Ponder at 12.

Maybe we should just trade back to like 17 or something and pick up an extra pick later?

Idk. I mean there is some really elite talent available at 7. Quinn, Green, Miller, Peterson, Amukamara. I'd say if those 5 aren't there... absolutely trade down.

I actually think that Baalke stands a good chance at trading up TWICE in the first round. If he wants Peterson or Miller say, and he thinks someone else will take them, wouldn't be shocked for a second to see him move on one of those guys. Then, ALSO trade again from the 2nd round back into the first for Ponder.

Baalke is a no nonsense kind of guy. There's no f'n around with him. He proved that by moving up on Anthony Davis and by landing Jim Harbaugh

Well the thing is, if you trade back and get extra picks or whatever like a 2nd and a 6th or something like that, you are getting another quality player+a shot on someone later. I really like Peterson and Prince, don't get me wrong. But if Ponder is your guy then you take him I guess. I really dont want to have to trade up for Ponder though, or use a first on him. It f**king pisses me off because I've been saying he's good for like 2 years(not just on this board, haven't really been public about it that long, but as far as watching him play) and then I was thinking we could get him in the 2nd and now everybody jumps on the bandwagon and sees that he's actually good.

I'm not sure Seattle would take him though, I thought they'd take a guy like Locker because he's a bit more athletic and he'd be the local hero. Stanzi could be our guy also, I really doubt he'll get up into the first round. IDK we'll have to see how it all shakes out I guess.

For our team needs (cb and pass rusher) outside of Miller, Quinn, Peterson, and Amukamara... none of them are elite or 1st round worthy IMO. THose 4 are FRANCHISE players. Tough to say no to that and be happy w/ some mid round picks instead...

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by miked1978:
He was a rd 4 or rd 3 guy and now I don't think he will make it out of rd 2. The other day I counted around 10 teams that maybe looking for a QB. If we don't get him in rd 2 all those 10 teams will pick before we get to pick in rd 3.

Carolina, Buffalo, Cincinatti, Seattle, Arizona, Tennessee, Miami, Washington, Minnesota, San Francisco

I bet we see a run on qbs in the second round, after Newton and Gabbert I wonder who will be the next qb to go.

No wonder, it will be Locker. Some team will fall in love with his "measurables". I just hope it is not the 49ers. I just don't want a QB with accuracy issues.

Ponder, Dalton, Kaepernick, Devlin. In that order.

I agree with others; if the 49ers want Ponder, they are going to have to find a trading partner to move up in the bottom of the 1st or top of the 2nd.

If we are going to give that much up for Ponder, would we not be willing to give up the same for Kolb?

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
Before I say something which I have been opining on for a long time now, I refer back to something that will lend more credibility to my thinking on this.

Mayock said something on point last week on the NFLN. Billick had just said that Gabbert was a first round franchise talent, but taking him in the top five was way too early.

Maycock said that if you rate a QB as franchise caliber (and Billick was saying that Gabbert was) and your team needa QB, why wouldn't you take him in the top five. Exactly!

Why p***y foot around playing Russian roulette with your team's future; gambling that your QB will fall to a lower round. If you haven't yet realised that QB, more than any other position, will make or break your team, you shouldn't even be in the discussion. We as Niners fans surely must realise that. The Niners actually have no real idea on how good their roster is because of poor play out of the QB position. They've just been treading water for the past six years. Waiting.

Not saying that Ponder is the guy. But if the Niners think he has franchise potential, they have to be pro active in getting him. And if he is the ONLY one they believe has franchise potential, they should pick him at the first opportunity, even if it is #7. If there are several who they think have franchise potential, then they can afford to wait. But they have to have all the elements in place to move up (or down) to get the franchise guy as soon as there is only one remaining on the board.

In another post where it was suggested: Ponder in the second, I speculated that he would not be there when we picked in the second. Now, after his combine, and the hype he is getting, he is no longer going to be flying under the radar. He's probably a late first rounder at the latest. The Niners have to be prepared for that scenario and make their move.

Totally agree.

It's almost like what the Jets did with Sanchez and what Tampa did w/ Freeman.

Each team knew the guy they wanted and weren't willing to sit back and hope he falls, which they most certainly could have. Sure it was considered too high at the time for each pick, but i'm sure each of those franchises (especially Tampa) is very thankful they chose the qb they wanted as soon as they could afford to do so.

Just curious...are you guys saying we should pick Ponder at #7?

This guy really seems to have everything we are looking for:
-Senior
-College completion percentage above 61%.
-Proven winner
-Intangibles/leadership (look at what they're saying about his interview today)
-Accurate
-Mobile
-Can make all the throws
-Hard worker

And on top of that he has stood out at both the Senior Bowl and combine in direct comparison to other prospects.

I think they are.

There is NO WAY we take Ponder at #7. Who do we pick Ponder over?

Peterson
Quinn
Miller
Bowers
Dareus
AJ Green
Fairley
Gabbert
Amukamara
Newton

ONE of these guys are going to be available when we pick #7. I don't think Ponder is better than any of these guys.

What we have to hope is that Gabbert and/or Newton go in the top 5! That will slide one of the blue chippers our way.

Teams must Ponder moving up Florida State QB

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
Before I say something which I have been opining on for a long time now, I refer back to something that will lend more credibility to my thinking on this.

Mayock said something on point last week on the NFLN. Billick had just said that Gabbert was a first round franchise talent, but taking him in the top five was way too early.

Maycock said that if you rate a QB as franchise caliber (and Billick was saying that Gabbert was) and your team needa QB, why wouldn't you take him in the top five. Exactly!

Why p***y foot around playing Russian roulette with your team's future; gambling that your QB will fall to a lower round. If you haven't yet realised that QB, more than any other position, will make or break your team, you shouldn't even be in the discussion. We as Niners fans surely must realise that. The Niners actually have no real idea on how good their roster is because of poor play out of the QB position. They've just been treading water for the past six years. Waiting.

Not saying that Ponder is the guy. But if the Niners think he has franchise potential, they have to be pro active in getting him. And if he is the ONLY one they believe has franchise potential, they should pick him at the first opportunity, even if it is #7. If there are several who they think have franchise potential, then they can afford to wait. But they have to have all the elements in place to move up (or down) to get the franchise guy as soon as there is only one remaining on the board.

In another post where it was suggested: Ponder in the second, I speculated that he would not be there when we picked in the second. Now, after his combine, and the hype he is getting, he is no longer going to be flying under the radar. He's probably a late first rounder at the latest. The Niners have to be prepared for that scenario and make their move.

Totally agree.

It's almost like what the Jets did with Sanchez and what Tampa did w/ Freeman.

Each team knew the guy they wanted and weren't willing to sit back and hope he falls, which they most certainly could have. Sure it was considered too high at the time for each pick, but i'm sure each of those franchises (especially Tampa) is very thankful they chose the qb they wanted as soon as they could afford to do so.

Just curious...are you guys saying we should pick Ponder at #7?

I'm not saying we should. I'm not saying we have to. I'm saying if we feel he won't last too much past that, then either we take him at 7 or we trade up from the 2nd into the middle of round 1 to do so.

I don't think there's many that would argue Ponder is the most talented qb in this draft when healthy. If an NFL team feels that way, don't be surprised if someone snags him early.

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
Before I say something which I have been opining on for a long time now, I refer back to something that will lend more credibility to my thinking on this.

Mayock said something on point last week on the NFLN. Billick had just said that Gabbert was a first round franchise talent, but taking him in the top five was way too early.

Maycock said that if you rate a QB as franchise caliber (and Billick was saying that Gabbert was) and your team needa QB, why wouldn't you take him in the top five. Exactly!

Why p***y foot around playing Russian roulette with your team's future; gambling that your QB will fall to a lower round. If you haven't yet realised that QB, more than any other position, will make or break your team, you shouldn't even be in the discussion. We as Niners fans surely must realise that. The Niners actually have no real idea on how good their roster is because of poor play out of the QB position. They've just been treading water for the past six years. Waiting.

Not saying that Ponder is the guy. But if the Niners think he has franchise potential, they have to be pro active in getting him. And if he is the ONLY one they believe has franchise potential, they should pick him at the first opportunity, even if it is #7. If there are several who they think have franchise potential, then they can afford to wait. But they have to have all the elements in place to move up (or down) to get the franchise guy as soon as there is only one remaining on the board.

In another post where it was suggested: Ponder in the second, I speculated that he would not be there when we picked in the second. Now, after his combine, and the hype he is getting, he is no longer going to be flying under the radar. He's probably a late first rounder at the latest. The Niners have to be prepared for that scenario and make their move.

Totally agree.

It's almost like what the Jets did with Sanchez and what Tampa did w/ Freeman.

Each team knew the guy they wanted and weren't willing to sit back and hope he falls, which they most certainly could have. Sure it was considered too high at the time for each pick, but i'm sure each of those franchises (especially Tampa) is very thankful they chose the qb they wanted as soon as they could afford to do so.

Just curious...are you guys saying we should pick Ponder at #7?

I'm not saying we should. I'm not saying we have to. I'm saying if we feel he won't last too much past that, then either we take him at 7 or we trade up from the 2nd into the middle of round 1 to do so.

I don't think there's many that would argue Ponder is the most talented qb in this draft when healthy. If an NFL team feels that way, don't be surprised if someone snags him early.

This happens EVERY combine. Someone has great workouts and everyone forgets about what he has done for the past 3 or 4 years. Ponder has been good lately; Senior Bowl and the Combine, but don't forget about what he did for the past 4 years.

I like the guy, but to pick him at #7 is just crazy!

Now, I do agree that if we want to get Ponder we will have to consider trading up into the bottom of the 1st or top of the 2nd to get him. But to draft him over a blue chip player like Peterson, Quinn, Miller, Dareus, or Amukamara is asking for your owner to fire you if you don't hit a homerun!

So, you better hope that Ponder is the next Joe Montana if you make a bold move like that! If not, it's the unemployment line or NFLN analyst for you!

Originally posted by DynastyPart2:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
Before I say something which I have been opining on for a long time now, I refer back to something that will lend more credibility to my thinking on this.

Mayock said something on point last week on the NFLN. Billick had just said that Gabbert was a first round franchise talent, but taking him in the top five was way too early.

Maycock said that if you rate a QB as franchise caliber (and Billick was saying that Gabbert was) and your team needa QB, why wouldn't you take him in the top five. Exactly!

Why p***y foot around playing Russian roulette with your team's future; gambling that your QB will fall to a lower round. If you haven't yet realised that QB, more than any other position, will make or break your team, you shouldn't even be in the discussion. We as Niners fans surely must realise that. The Niners actually have no real idea on how good their roster is because of poor play out of the QB position. They've just been treading water for the past six years. Waiting.

Not saying that Ponder is the guy. But if the Niners think he has franchise potential, they have to be pro active in getting him. And if he is the ONLY one they believe has franchise potential, they should pick him at the first opportunity, even if it is #7. If there are several who they think have franchise potential, then they can afford to wait. But they have to have all the elements in place to move up (or down) to get the franchise guy as soon as there is only one remaining on the board.

In another post where it was suggested: Ponder in the second, I speculated that he would not be there when we picked in the second. Now, after his combine, and the hype he is getting, he is no longer going to be flying under the radar. He's probably a late first rounder at the latest. The Niners have to be prepared for that scenario and make their move.

Totally agree.

It's almost like what the Jets did with Sanchez and what Tampa did w/ Freeman.

Each team knew the guy they wanted and weren't willing to sit back and hope he falls, which they most certainly could have. Sure it was considered too high at the time for each pick, but i'm sure each of those franchises (especially Tampa) is very thankful they chose the qb they wanted as soon as they could afford to do so.

Just curious...are you guys saying we should pick Ponder at #7?

I'm not saying we should. I'm not saying we have to. I'm saying if we feel he won't last too much past that, then either we take him at 7 or we trade up from the 2nd into the middle of round 1 to do so.

I don't think there's many that would argue Ponder is the most talented qb in this draft when healthy. If an NFL team feels that way, don't be surprised if someone snags him early.

This happens EVERY combine. Someone has great workouts and everyone forgets about what he has done for the past 3 or 4 years. Ponder has been good lately; Senior Bowl and the Combine, but don't forget about what he did for the past 4 years.

I like the guy, but to pick him at #7 is just crazy!

Now, I do agree that if we want to get Ponder we will have to consider trading up into the bottom of the 1st or top of the 2nd to get him. But to draft him over a blue chip player like Peterson, Quinn, Miller, Dareus, or Amukamara is asking for your owner to fire you if you don't hit a homerun!

So, you better hope that Ponder is the next Joe Montana if you make a bold move like that! If not, it's the unemployment line or NFLN analyst for you!

Um, Ponder was highly regarded as the top qb in the draft before he injured his elbow this year. Now that he's healthy and looking as good as ever after dominating the sr. bowl (mvp) and spinning it at the combine, there's no reason to think he shouldn't be back in the consideration for top qb.

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by DynastyPart2:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
Before I say something which I have been opining on for a long time now, I refer back to something that will lend more credibility to my thinking on this.

Mayock said something on point last week on the NFLN. Billick had just said that Gabbert was a first round franchise talent, but taking him in the top five was way too early.

Maycock said that if you rate a QB as franchise caliber (and Billick was saying that Gabbert was) and your team needa QB, why wouldn't you take him in the top five. Exactly!

Why p***y foot around playing Russian roulette with your team's future; gambling that your QB will fall to a lower round. If you haven't yet realised that QB, more than any other position, will make or break your team, you shouldn't even be in the discussion. We as Niners fans surely must realise that. The Niners actually have no real idea on how good their roster is because of poor play out of the QB position. They've just been treading water for the past six years. Waiting.

Not saying that Ponder is the guy. But if the Niners think he has franchise potential, they have to be pro active in getting him. And if he is the ONLY one they believe has franchise potential, they should pick him at the first opportunity, even if it is #7. If there are several who they think have franchise potential, then they can afford to wait. But they have to have all the elements in place to move up (or down) to get the franchise guy as soon as there is only one remaining on the board.

In another post where it was suggested: Ponder in the second, I speculated that he would not be there when we picked in the second. Now, after his combine, and the hype he is getting, he is no longer going to be flying under the radar. He's probably a late first rounder at the latest. The Niners have to be prepared for that scenario and make their move.

Totally agree.

It's almost like what the Jets did with Sanchez and what Tampa did w/ Freeman.

Each team knew the guy they wanted and weren't willing to sit back and hope he falls, which they most certainly could have. Sure it was considered too high at the time for each pick, but i'm sure each of those franchises (especially Tampa) is very thankful they chose the qb they wanted as soon as they could afford to do so.

Just curious...are you guys saying we should pick Ponder at #7?

I'm not saying we should. I'm not saying we have to. I'm saying if we feel he won't last too much past that, then either we take him at 7 or we trade up from the 2nd into the middle of round 1 to do so.

I don't think there's many that would argue Ponder is the most talented qb in this draft when healthy. If an NFL team feels that way, don't be surprised if someone snags him early.

This happens EVERY combine. Someone has great workouts and everyone forgets about what he has done for the past 3 or 4 years. Ponder has been good lately; Senior Bowl and the Combine, but don't forget about what he did for the past 4 years.

I like the guy, but to pick him at #7 is just crazy!

Now, I do agree that if we want to get Ponder we will have to consider trading up into the bottom of the 1st or top of the 2nd to get him. But to draft him over a blue chip player like Peterson, Quinn, Miller, Dareus, or Amukamara is asking for your owner to fire you if you don't hit a homerun!

So, you better hope that Ponder is the next Joe Montana if you make a bold move like that! If not, it's the unemployment line or NFLN analyst for you!

Um, Ponder was highly regarded as the top qb in the draft before he injured his elbow this year. Now that he's healthy and looking as good as ever after dominating the sr. bowl (mvp) and spinning it at the combine, there's no reason to think he shouldn't be back in the consideration for top qb.

He "dominated" in a group that didn't include the top 2 QB's (both juniors). Shoulder, forearm, and concussion issues are not the words you want to hear about a rookie QB.