The Christian Ponder Bandwagon

Originally posted by Digger:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by Digger:
Wow. I have been one of the biggest Ponder-honks in this thread, but oh my God we better not draft him at #7.

Nobody wants him at #7. What they are afraid of is the QB needy teams that pick between 8 and 45.

1 Carolina (2-14)
2 Denver (4-12)
3 Buffalo (4-12)
4 Cincinnati (4-12)
5 Arizona (5-11)
6 Cleveland (5-11)
7 San Francisco (6-10)
8 Tennessee (6-10) Needs QB
9 Dallas (6-10)
10 Washington (6-10) Needs QB
11 Houston (6-10)
12 Minnesota (6-10) Needs QB
13 Detroit (6-10)
14 St. Louis (7-9)
15 Miami (7-9)
16 Jacksonville (8-8)
17 New England - from Oakland (8-8)
18 San Diego (9-7)
19 New York Giants (10-6)
20 Tampa Bay (10-6)
21 Kansas City* (10-6)
22 Indianapolis* (10-6)
23 Philadelphia* (10-6)
24 New Orleans* (11-5)
25 Seattle* (7-9) Needs QB
26 Baltimore* (12-4)
27 Atlanta* (13-3)
28 New England* (14-2)
29 Chicago* (11-5)
30 New York Jets* (11-5)
31 Pittsburgh* (12-4)
32 Green Bay* (10-6)
33 New England - from Carolina (2-14)
34 Buffalo (4-12) Needs QB
35 Cincinnati (4-12) Needs QB
36 Denver (4-12)
37 Cleveland (5-11) Needs QB
38 Arizona (5-11) Needs QB
39 Tennessee (6-10) Needs QB
40 Dallas (6-10)
41 Washington (6-10) Needs QB
42 Houston (6-10)
43 Minnesota (6-10) Needs QB
44 Detroit (6-10)
45 San Francisco (6-10)


Our best bet is to trade Buffalo who sits at pick 34.

Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
Not saying that Ponder is the guy. But if the Niners think he has franchise potential, they have to be pro active in getting him. And if he is the ONLY one they believe has franchise potential, they should pick him at the first opportunity, even if it is #7. If there are several who they think have franchise potential, then they can afford to wait. But they have to have all the elements in place to move up (or down) to get the franchise guy as soon as there is only one remaining on the board.

It definitely was suggested here and at least 1 other place that we should take him at 7 if we believe he's the guy.

While Ponder is my favorite option at QB, there is still such a thing as draft value and I don't think he should be valued that high when there will be much safer bets available and he's highly unlikely to be picked in the next 10 picks. Way over drafting him just because he's "our guy" is what the Bills tend to do, and I always wince when they make those terrible picks.

But what's to say it would be "over drafting"? If he was considered a top 10 prospect heading into the 2010 college football season, is 100% healthy now, was the Sr. Bowl MVP, dominated the combine, and fits YOUR WCO system perfectly, WHY not take him? If you feel he is a FRANCHISE qb, you DO NOT pass on him. Especially considering you have NO IDEA what other teams think of him. What if Tennessee, Washington, Minnesota, and Seattle ALL really like him. They very well could. Are you telling me you're gonna risk passing on a guy you feel is a FRANCHISE qb?

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by Digger:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by Digger:
Wow. I have been one of the biggest Ponder-honks in this thread, but oh my God we better not draft him at #7.

Nobody wants him at #7. What they are afraid of is the QB needy teams that pick between 8 and 45.

1 Carolina (2-14)
2 Denver (4-12)
3 Buffalo (4-12)
4 Cincinnati (4-12)
5 Arizona (5-11)
6 Cleveland (5-11)
7 San Francisco (6-10)
8 Tennessee (6-10) Needs QB
9 Dallas (6-10)
10 Washington (6-10) Needs QB
11 Houston (6-10)
12 Minnesota (6-10) Needs QB
13 Detroit (6-10)
14 St. Louis (7-9)
15 Miami (7-9)
16 Jacksonville (8-8)
17 New England - from Oakland (8-8)
18 San Diego (9-7)
19 New York Giants (10-6)
20 Tampa Bay (10-6)
21 Kansas City* (10-6)
22 Indianapolis* (10-6)
23 Philadelphia* (10-6)
24 New Orleans* (11-5)
25 Seattle* (7-9) Needs QB
26 Baltimore* (12-4)
27 Atlanta* (13-3)
28 New England* (14-2)
29 Chicago* (11-5)
30 New York Jets* (11-5)
31 Pittsburgh* (12-4)
32 Green Bay* (10-6)
33 New England - from Carolina (2-14)
34 Buffalo (4-12) Needs QB
35 Cincinnati (4-12) Needs QB
36 Denver (4-12)
37 Cleveland (5-11) Needs QB
38 Arizona (5-11) Needs QB
39 Tennessee (6-10) Needs QB
40 Dallas (6-10)
41 Washington (6-10) Needs QB
42 Houston (6-10)
43 Minnesota (6-10) Needs QB
44 Detroit (6-10)
45 San Francisco (6-10)


Our best bet is to trade Buffalo who sits at pick 34.

Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
Not saying that Ponder is the guy. But if the Niners think he has franchise potential, they have to be pro active in getting him. And if he is the ONLY one they believe has franchise potential, they should pick him at the first opportunity, even if it is #7. If there are several who they think have franchise potential, then they can afford to wait. But they have to have all the elements in place to move up (or down) to get the franchise guy as soon as there is only one remaining on the board.

It definitely was suggested here and at least 1 other place that we should take him at 7 if we believe he's the guy.

While Ponder is my favorite option at QB, there is still such a thing as draft value and I don't think he should be valued that high when there will be much safer bets available and he's highly unlikely to be picked in the next 10 picks. Way over drafting him just because he's "our guy" is what the Bills tend to do, and I always wince when they make those terrible picks.

But what's to say it would be "over drafting"? If he was considered a top 10 prospect heading into the 2010 college football season, is 100% healthy now, was the Sr. Bowl MVP, dominated the combine, and fits YOUR WCO system perfectly, WHY not take him? If you feel he is a FRANCHISE qb, you DO NOT pass on him. Especially considering you have NO IDEA what other teams think of him. What if Tennessee, Washington, Minnesota, and Seattle ALL really like him. They very well could. Are you telling me you're gonna risk passing on a guy you feel is a FRANCHISE qb?

You need to switch to decaf. Lots of kids are considered top 10 prospects then fall out. Were not going off of last years information for this years draft. Locker was the consensus #1 QB going into this year so makinging Ponder out to be the top QB is incorrect. His inability to stay healthy is a big concern and takes precedent over his current health status. If you want to argue the Senior Bowl are we going to take into account the fact that the other 2 QB's on the South team got injured? I would not claim that he dominated anything at the Combine, again you are overreacting. Your idea of reaching for a kid because other teams might want him absurd. Using a very high pick to cock block another team is foolish and idiotic. Tennessee and Washington will not draft him that high, he does not have the arm strength to play in the vertical Minnesota offense. Seattle at the back of the pack may take a look at him but his ranking compared to the other athletes will not hold up.

He is a 2nd round QB or especially late 1st (which I doubt). If you want to move then move to the top of the 2nd, but even mentioning the idea of him at 7 shows a complete lack of understanding the draft process.

Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
Not saying that Ponder is the guy. But if the Niners think he has franchise potential, they have to be pro active in getting him. And if he is the ONLY one they believe has franchise potential, they should pick him at the first opportunity, even if it is #7. If there are several who they think have franchise potential, then they can afford to wait. But they have to have all the elements in place to move up (or down) to get the franchise guy as soon as there is only one remaining on the board.

It definitely was suggested here and at least 1 other place that we should take him at 7 if we believe he's the guy.

While Ponder is my favorite option at QB, there is still such a thing as draft value and I don't think he should be valued that high when there will be much safer bets available and he's highly unlikely to be picked in the next 10 picks. Way over drafting him just because he's "our guy" is what the Bills tend to do, and I always wince when they make those terrible picks.
But what's to say it would be "over drafting"? If he was considered a top 10 prospect heading into the 2010 college football season, is 100% healthy now, was the Sr. Bowl MVP, dominated the combine, and fits YOUR WCO system perfectly, WHY not take him? If you feel he is a FRANCHISE qb, you DO NOT pass on him. Especially considering you have NO IDEA what other teams think of him. What if Tennessee, Washington, Minnesota, and Seattle ALL really like him. They very well could. Are you telling me you're gonna risk passing on a guy you feel is a FRANCHISE qb?

Originally posted by jreff22:
You need to switch to decaf. Lots of kids are considered top 10 prospects then fall out. Were not going off of last years information for this years draft. Locker was the consensus #1 QB going into this year so makinging Ponder out to be the top QB is incorrect. His inability to stay healthy is a big concern and takes precedent over his current health status. If you want to argue the Senior Bowl are we going to take into account the fact that the other 2 QB's on the South team got injured? I would not claim that he dominated anything at the Combine, again you are overreacting. Your idea of reaching for a kid because other teams might want him absurd. Using a very high pick to cock block another team is foolish and idiotic. Tennessee and Washington will not draft him that high, he does not have the arm strength to play in the vertical Minnesota offense. Seattle at the back of the pack may take a look at him but his ranking compared to the other athletes will not hold up.

He is a 2nd round QB or especially late 1st (which I doubt). If you want to move then move to the top of the 2nd, but even mentioning the idea of him at 7 shows a complete lack of understanding the draft process.

A. I don't drink coffee. I have taste buds.

B. Ponder didn't have the significant drop off in accuracy and production that Locker had.

C. He had 1 major shoulder injury (tackling someone) 2 yrs ago. You still worried about Drew Brees shoulder injury...? His elbow injury was just inflamation of the bursa sac. Pwilly had the same in his knee in 2009. How'd that effect him this yr?

D. Multiple people agree he dominated the combine.

E. I'm suggesting you "reach" because you feel he is a FRANCHISE qb and because of those other teams he MAY not be there late in the first early 2nd.

F. Ponder showed he has plenty of arm strength to play in a vert offense. Minnesota runs a WCO with Bill Musgrave as their OC.

G. Are you a GM?

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by jreff22:
You need to switch to decaf. Lots of kids are considered top 10 prospects then fall out. Were not going off of last years information for this years draft. Locker was the consensus #1 QB going into this year so makinging Ponder out to be the top QB is incorrect. His inability to stay healthy is a big concern and takes precedent over his current health status. If you want to argue the Senior Bowl are we going to take into account the fact that the other 2 QB's on the South team got injured? I would not claim that he dominated anything at the Combine, again you are overreacting. Your idea of reaching for a kid because other teams might want him absurd. Using a very high pick to cock block another team is foolish and idiotic. Tennessee and Washington will not draft him that high, he does not have the arm strength to play in the vertical Minnesota offense. Seattle at the back of the pack may take a look at him but his ranking compared to the other athletes will not hold up.

He is a 2nd round QB or especially late 1st (which I doubt). If you want to move then move to the top of the 2nd, but even mentioning the idea of him at 7 shows a complete lack of understanding the draft process.

A. I don't drink coffee. I have taste buds.

B. Ponder didn't have the significant drop off in accuracy and production that Locker had.

C. He had 1 major shoulder injury (tackling someone) 2 yrs ago. You still worried about Drew Brees shoulder injury...? His elbow injury was just inflamation of the bursa sac. Pwilly had the same in his knee in 2009. How'd that effect him this yr?

D. Multiple people agree he dominated the combine.

E. I'm suggesting you "reach" because you feel he is a FRANCHISE qb and because of those other teams he MAY not be there late in the first early 2nd.

F. Ponder showed he has plenty of arm strength to play in a vert offense. Minnesota runs a WCO with Bill Musgrave as their OC.

G. Are you a GM?

Ponders drop in accuracy is not the argument, its who was rated as the best QB going into the year...much like Luck will be next year. He was rated with a first round grade, so were a lot of kids who wont be first round picks. And still Locker is rated higher then he is after having a mediocre year.

His injuries are more serious then you are hinting at. Suffering what has been diagnosed as a Grade 3 AC separation. His elbow was more then inflammation, he was drained 3 times and it happens to be his THROWING arm. And a nasty concussion that gave him a bit of memory loss. So we have a guy that has already had one major shoulder separation, bursa sac issues, and a mild concussion...the NFL is a bit more violent then college football.

Multiple people say multiple QB's did well, Ponder still hasn't been described as the number 1 or 2 QB. Again you are over inflating.

Reaching for a 2nd round talent in the early 1st is asinine. I like Kap and think he could be a franchise guy, would I take him at 7....no that would be retarded. They don't throw years of scouting away for a post Senior Bowl and Combine hunch, overreaction again. His value does not equal that selection.

Musgrave took advantage of Favre's arm and hit the burners deep, I don't see Ponder being able to do that on a consistent basis.

No I'm not a GM but I bet you don't see any of them drafting Ponder in the top ten either.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by jreff22:
You need to switch to decaf. Lots of kids are considered top 10 prospects then fall out. Were not going off of last years information for this years draft. Locker was the consensus #1 QB going into this year so makinging Ponder out to be the top QB is incorrect. His inability to stay healthy is a big concern and takes precedent over his current health status. If you want to argue the Senior Bowl are we going to take into account the fact that the other 2 QB's on the South team got injured? I would not claim that he dominated anything at the Combine, again you are overreacting. Your idea of reaching for a kid because other teams might want him absurd. Using a very high pick to cock block another team is foolish and idiotic. Tennessee and Washington will not draft him that high, he does not have the arm strength to play in the vertical Minnesota offense. Seattle at the back of the pack may take a look at him but his ranking compared to the other athletes will not hold up.

He is a 2nd round QB or especially late 1st (which I doubt). If you want to move then move to the top of the 2nd, but even mentioning the idea of him at 7 shows a complete lack of understanding the draft process.

A. I don't drink coffee. I have taste buds.

B. Ponder didn't have the significant drop off in accuracy and production that Locker had.

C. He had 1 major shoulder injury (tackling someone) 2 yrs ago. You still worried about Drew Brees shoulder injury...? His elbow injury was just inflamation of the bursa sac. Pwilly had the same in his knee in 2009. How'd that effect him this yr?

D. Multiple people agree he dominated the combine.

E. I'm suggesting you "reach" because you feel he is a FRANCHISE qb and because of those other teams he MAY not be there late in the first early 2nd.

F. Ponder showed he has plenty of arm strength to play in a vert offense. Minnesota runs a WCO with Bill Musgrave as their OC.

G. Are you a GM?

Ponders drop in accuracy is not the argument, its who was rated as the best QB going into the year...much like Luck will be next year. He was rated with a first round grade, so were a lot of kids who wont be first round picks. And still Locker is rated higher then he is after having a mediocre year.

His injuries are more serious then you are hinting at. Suffering what has been diagnosed as a Grade 3 AC separation. His elbow was more then inflammation, he was drained 3 times and it happens to be his THROWING arm. And a nasty concussion that gave him a bit of memory loss. So we have a guy that has already had one major shoulder separation, bursa sac issues, and a mild concussion...the NFL is a bit more violent then college football.

Multiple people say multiple QB's did well, Ponder still hasn't been described as the number 1 or 2 QB. Again you are over inflating.

Reaching for a 2nd round talent in the early 1st is asinine. I like Kap and think he could be a franchise guy, would I take him at 7....no that would be retarded. They don't throw years of scouting away for a post Senior Bowl and Combine hunch, overreaction again. His value does not equal that selection.

Musgrave took advantage of Favre's arm and hit the burners deep, I don't see Ponder being able to do that on a consistent basis.

No I'm not a GM but I bet you don't see any of them drafting Ponder in the top ten either.

Do you know how not serious a bursa sac injury is? It's a pain tolerance injury. Not structural. Nothing that will not allow Ponder to throw. It heals with time. As shown by his being able to throw very well since the season concluded.

Lot's of qbs suffer grade 3 shoulder separations. Brees, Alex Smith, Bradford are 3 examples of qb's that show no ill effects of that injury. Ponder has already shown he has no ill effects of his shoulder separation.

What makes you say Ponder is a 2nd round talent? Is it the fact his stats are better than the "top rated" qb, Blaine Gabbert? Is it that he's from a pro style offense and not the spread like the "top rated" qb, Blaine Gabbert?

You're right, scouts aren't going to throw away years of work just because of a sr. bowl and combine "overreaction". They're also not going to throw away Ponders entire career of being a highly accurate and highly effective quarterback. They're not going to throw away years of work that made him a top qb prospect heading into his Sr. year because he had some elbow inflammation that has now healed.

Oh and Musgrave never coached Favre... he was Matt Ryan's qb coach last year...

i do not want this guy...VERY VERY inconsistent throughout his college career...no thanks

Originally posted by cozz4:
i do not want this guy...VERY VERY inconsistent throughout his college career...no thanks

ok can we ban this guy yet?

Originally posted by cozz4:
i do not want this guy...VERY VERY inconsistent throughout his college career...no thanks

huh?
2000+ yards every season doesn't sound too bad to me. Not to mention high qb rating, 14-20 td's a year, what inconsistency?

Or are you just mindlessly trolling? If this is the best "argument" against him then that's pretty hilarious.

Stats can be padded depending on the team and competition of opponent, which is why I take his success in the senior bowl+combine into more consideration than statistics.

Dude, you've started 4 topics in one day. How about spending some time here getting to know how things work and then posting IF there is a subject that isn't already being discussed. There is no reason you can't post this in the Ponder thread. Also, if you are going to make a thread put a little effort into it. How about some facts and thoughts that consist of more than one line.

someone needs to start a thread, NO to COZZ!!!

And so it begins...


According to CBS Sports' Rob Rang, Florida State QB Christian Ponder is "generating ... first-round buzz" after an impressive Combine.
Multiple accounts claimed that Ponder was the best, most accurate passer in Indy, and Rang passes along growing belief that five quarterbacks could be drafted in the top-32 picks. Along with Ponder, they would be Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Mallett, and Jake Locker. Per Rang, Ponder is now "viewed by some as the top true West Coast Offense quarterback in the draft."

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
And so it begins...


According to CBS Sports' Rob Rang, Florida State QB Christian Ponder is "generating ... first-round buzz" after an impressive Combine.
Multiple accounts claimed that Ponder was the best, most accurate passer in Indy, and Rang passes along growing belief that five quarterbacks could be drafted in the top-32 picks. Along with Ponder, they would be Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Mallett, and Jake Locker. Per Rang, Ponder is now "viewed by some as the top true West Coast Offense quarterback in the draft."

The 49ers are going to have to go get him.

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
And so it begins...


According to CBS Sports' Rob Rang, Florida State QB Christian Ponder is "generating ... first-round buzz" after an impressive Combine.
Multiple accounts claimed that Ponder was the best, most accurate passer in Indy, and Rang passes along growing belief that five quarterbacks could be drafted in the top-32 picks. Along with Ponder, they would be Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Mallett, and Jake Locker. Per Rang, Ponder is now "viewed by some as the top true West Coast Offense quarterback in the draft."

but that could mean we don't get him. then it would be

Originally posted by mike:

Originally posted by cozz4:
i do not want this guy...VERY VERY inconsistent throughout his college career...no thanks

huh?
2000+ yards every season doesn't sound too bad to me. Not to mention high qb rating, 14-20 td's a year, what inconsistency?

Or are you just mindlessly trolling? If this is the best "argument" against him then that's pretty hilarious.

Stats can be padded depending on the team and competition of opponent, which is why I take his success in the senior bowl+combine into more consideration than statistics.

i agree plus he had health issues. when he played he looked pretty good to me.

I say YES

Palmer/Ponder, and maybe Pennington as the #3, Potts from Texas Tech as the Practice squader