Originally posted by WildBill:Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by WildBill:
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Kaep does what is necessary to win, he lead a comeback in a big game against Boise State. Against Hawaii he could have led them to a comeback also if his WR grabbed the ball instead letting it bounce from his hand. Plus you know Hawaii plays well against others at home because of the time difference and late start times. Against Boston he was efficient enough to win the big game.
How to tell he is further along than others? That is the million dollar question now isn't it. The things I look at is if it is from a system that inflates the QBs passing numbers like the spread. I also look at if it is a system that makes QBs look better than they are again the spread and places like any Spurrier or Urban Meyer or BYU team (from the old days). If the QB elevated the team and the team crashes after he leaves. The one thing that can't be measured is the head and heart.
As for Vai Taua, it is a question of which came first the chicken or the egg. Kaep scored 20 rushing TDs as well passed for what, 18-19?. You could say he loosened the D for Vai. Plus Kaep has Gore and more talented players surrounding him. What will make him more successful than other Rookies? His ability to extend plays and having a good rushing attack. Not to mention an offensive and QB oriented HC. Not saying he starts right away, but after a year we will see, I believe JH will keep it simple (KISS rule) like it was done for Bradford and have Kaep rely on his athletic ability and instincts and let him grow.
Like I said after a year, if anyone should know what to do if we have a chance at Luck it is Harbaugh. However, my opinion and everyone has one just like an a-hole, is that he is not as much of a project as people think and is more of a propect than given credit for. We'll see, but this damn CBA is ruining everything, even if you Manning reborn.
Your talking about Kaepernick as an overall player, my main point of this whole argument was how he projects to the next level as a passer. Farther along than most, we'll just have to see about that, like I said, hes never had to go through his progressions and comeback to his reads. Hes never took a 3 and 5 step drop WHILE going through his progressions. There's been so many prospects to go into the NFL draft with the same skills as Kaepernick, strong arm, tall, mobile, but from what I've seen, the ones who go far in the Pro's are the ones who have that poise and utilize the weapons around him. I just don't see that in Kaepernick, nor did I see it with Alex Smith. Like I said, my opinion might not be the most popular around here, but it is what it is....my opinion.
A lot of people didn't like McNabb or Young or Doug Williams or.....all in the same vein as Kaep. You said he's never gone through his progressions, I say I have seen him go throught his from the progressions at least three, often times when it is not a planned rollout, things breakdown so he buys time, but keeps his eyes downfield and either goes to the third read or back to his first who has broken off his pattern. How can you not look at Kaep for his overall ability? That IS part of being a passer. extending the play as JH has said, while looking downfield and if the LB and DBs have their backs turned, takes it up field. This then causes the D to spy on the QB thus loosening the coverage. The same way a good running back helps sell play action pass.
Yes we will see and I also have my opinions, I b***hed tooth and nail about the Smith pick and thought he wasn't a franchise QB, not saying I am right but, I don't get the feeling with Kaep. like I did with Alex, I think he will be a McNabb or Willilams or Cunningham, Young better yet, and for a second round pick and after what we have gone through lately, that is welcome. I also didn't like Druckenmiller and Carmmzi pick. Wanted Plumber during that time period.
I have no doubt that Alex will be better, but he is still not the answer, the reason is JH and Roman will not ask him to do things they know he cannot do. Stll, I don't like Alex.
Like someone said JH will have the inside info on both if this situation should arise, we will see.
I can't seem to find any full video of him, except highlights and the Hawaii game, but you could see he clearly does not go through his progressions or reads in this video :
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• Will have to refine footwork and throwing mechanics
• Too eager to give up on a pass and take off running
• Touch, timing and accuracy are all merely average
• Takes chances and not always a great decision maker
• Didn't work under center or go through progressions
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Plays out of the pistol, lacks experience under center. Has not been asked to make NFL progressions and reads. Not quick to check down or hit hot read against the blitz. Misses too many short passes. Doesn't have consistent touch on the deep ball. Release is somewhat elongated and can dip down to sidearm at times.
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