Coby Fleener - TE Stanford

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
dwayne allen

accidently quoted it wrong

Allen won the award for top TE in the country, but he's really more of an h-back type. He's 6'4", but realistically it's probably about 6'3". He's a great receiving threat but gets overwhelmed as a blocker. He was expected(and is still expected by some) to be the first TE off the boards but that is up in the air now. Mayock has him ranked behind Charles and Fleener. Speed wise he's faster than Fleener but not as fast as Charles. Good leaper, I believe he's a former basketball player as well, kind of has that rebounder's mentality when going up to make a catch, pulling the ball away from everyone.

Originally posted by 9erguy:
Agree, almost feel like we may have to move up 2-3 spots. Get who we want.

trading up for a TE is not a good idea when we already have VD

i wouldnt mind trading up for floyd or wright however

but trading a pick for a #2 TE just doesnt make sense to me especially when we dont have a #1 WR

however i wouldnt mind talking fleener if he fell to us and floyd wright and maybe alshon (depending on combine) are off the board

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Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Who?

dwayne allen

accidently quoted it wrong

he is supposedly the best TE in draft

Some may say. Although I think Fleener being 2" taller and his skillset, among other things stated in this thread 10 times over, is better fit for us. Allen is a better blocker for sure.

Originally posted by 9erguy:
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Some may say. Although I think Fleener being 2" taller and his skillset, among other things stated in this thread 10 times over, is better fit for us. Allen is a better blocker for sure.

As far as blocking, one of the reasons Allen has gone down in the view of a lot of people is his blocking, people feel he's top heavy and he'll struggle as an inline blocker at the next level. Fleener also has questions as far as blocking goes, some call him skinny, but the offense he played in has definitely set him up for the pro game.

Originally posted by 9erguy:
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Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Who?

dwayne allen

accidently quoted it wrong

he is supposedly the best TE in draft

Some may say. Although I think Fleener being 2" taller and his skillset, among other things stated in this thread 10 times over, is better fit for us. Allen is a better blocker for sure.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Allen won the award for top TE in the country, but he's really more of an h-back type. He's 6'4", but realistically it's probably about 6'3". He's a great receiving threat but gets overwhelmed as a blocker. He was expected(and is still expected by some) to be the first TE off the boards but that is up in the air now. Mayock has him ranked behind Charles and Fleener. Speed wise he's faster than Fleener but not as fast as Charles. Good leaper, I believe he's a former basketball player as well, kind of has that rebounder's mentality when going up to make a catch, pulling the ball away from everyone.

thanks


as of now we dont need a blocker we need a reciever

walker and VD are excellent blockers

sounds like allen may be a better fit than fleener (take apart the harbaugh connection) if allen is fast he sounds like a VD clone and a 3rd down threat

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
thanks


as of now we dont need a blocker we need a reciever

walker and VD are excellent blockers

sounds like allen may be a better fit than fleener (take apart the harbaugh connection) if allen is fast he sounds like a VD clone and a 3rd down threat

Um, one of the major points of taking Fleener is the physical size he brings to the table, his familiarity with the offense, and his route-running which is 2nd to none in the draft among tight-ends, hell he runs better routes than most of the receivers in the draft. He also has experience splitting out wide in the Stanford offense, was a WR in high-school and played WR at times at Stanford. Allen may have better speed....but you're talking .05 on the 40(4.55 to 4.60 vs 4.60-4.65) not necessarily football speed where Fleener has tremendous acceleration.

Allen or Charles are simply similar versions of VD, not necessarily guys that complement one another.

I'm really starting to warm up to the idea of Fleener. The real piece of info will be his 40's time. If he runs 4.5-4.6 he could be a better solution than a tall, WR because of the pressure of having 3 TE's on the field would put on opposing defenses. That's 8 big bodies to block the front 7. How do you not respect the run? How do you stop, VD, Crabs, Delanie and Fleener, especially if you really use Gore or better yet, Hunter coming out of the backfield the way Eagles used Westbrook or the Saints Sproules. Deadly stuff, because you can't go to nickel. You've got to stay in base or the beef on the line will blow open huge holes continuously. If you bring people up, there's more than enough speed to shift VD out, and/or Crabs or Fleener to stretch the defense opening up underneath stuff for the other two. Defenses well be hard pressed to deal with this. Choose your poison. Talk about a potentially unstoppable ball control west coast offense.

Originally posted by barrymartin:
I'm really starting to warm up to the idea of Fleener. The real piece of info will be his 40's time. If he runs 4.5-4.6 he could be a better solution than a tall, WR because of the pressure of having 3 TE's on the field would put on opposing defenses. That's 8 big bodies to block the front 7. How do you not respect the run? How do you stop, VD, Crabs, Delanie and Fleener, especially if you really use Gore or better yet, Hunter coming out of the backfield the way Eagles used Westbrook or the Saints Sproules. Deadly stuff, because you can't go to nickel. You've got to stay in base or the beef on the line will blow open huge holes continuously. If you bring people up, there's more than enough speed to shift VD out, and/or Crabs or Fleener to stretch the defense opening up underneath stuff for the other two. Defenses well be hard pressed to deal with this. Choose your poison. Talk about a potentially unstoppable ball control west coast offense.

I really hope he runs slow. I'm hoping for like a 4.65-4.70 40 or something like, if he runs under a 4.6, then yeah he probably will get snatched up before the 49ers pick.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Um, one of the major points of taking Fleener is the physical size he brings to the table, his familiarity with the offense, and his route-running which is 2nd to none in the draft among tight-ends, hell he runs better routes than most of the receivers in the draft. He also has experience splitting out wide in the Stanford offense, was a WR in high-school and played WR at times at Stanford. Allen may have better speed....but you're talking .05 on the 40(4.55 to 4.60 vs 4.60-4.65) not necessarily football speed where Fleener has tremendous acceleration.

Allen or Charles are simply similar versions of VD, not necessarily guys that complement one another.

so speed isnt really a factor then

btw just did online scouting reports they are saying allen is the best route runner of the TEs and can also split out wiide

but i still think id perfer fleener if speed is about same and since they both un good rotues purely based on fimiliarity of system

wouldnt mind either though

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
so speed isnt really a factor then

btw just did online scouting reports they are saying allen is the best route runner of the TEs and can also split out wiide

but i still think id perfer fleener if speed is about same and since they both un good rotues purely based on fimiliarity of system

wouldnt mind either though

Find 5 different "scouting reports", get 5 different answers. As far as clean routes, I don't think anyone has done it better than Fleener, and there's several guys like Rang and Mayock who agree. Now as far as the downsides, some feel that Fleener is a little too lean, needs to bulk up, although he does have the frame to add more weight, he also had some drops this year, but nothing that's really been a habit, he catches the ball cleanly using his hands, not his body, which is unusual for TE's.......Charles and Allen are also similar in that regard.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Find 5 different "scouting reports", get 5 different answers. As far as clean routes, I don't think anyone has done it better than Fleener, and there's several guys like Rang and Mayock who agree. Now as far as the downsides, some feel that Fleener is a little too lean, needs to bulk up, although he does have the frame to add more weight, he also had some drops this year, but nothing that's really been a habit, he catches the ball cleanly using his hands, not his body, which is unusual for TE's.......Charles and Allen are also similar in that regard.

ive looked at 4 all said allen is most natural pass catching TE in draft who runs best routes

i have never seen him play so i cant make an assumption but its just what they are saying

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
ive looked at 4 all said allen is most natural pass catching TE in draft who runs best routes

i have never seen him play so i cant make an assumption but its just what they are saying

Run routes in what kind of an offense? A spread offense. Fleener has been running routes in a pro-style offense, much similar to what he would see with the 49ers or other NFL teams. There's definitely reasons why Allen's stock has gone down lately, hopefully it picks up again after the combine. If he can do something crazy and generate hype, I'll be very happy.



""I asked ESPN's Todd McShay about Fleener today on a conference call. Here's what he had to say: "I think he's one of the more underrated players in this draft. I think he's going to work out better than people anticipate, too. I'm excited to see what he does in terms of running and agility. When I watch him on tape, I think he runs better than people really give him credit for. I think he has a chance to stretch the field at the next level. I think he has the size, certainly, to be an adequate blocker. "But Fleener to me - I know he had one drop against USC - but for the most part has been very consistent catching the football, very consistent running routes and being in the right position. He understands where he needs to be, and he can be an in-line blocker. He needs to get a little stronger, but I think he's the most complete tight end, and that's why I've got him in the late-first-round range." "

Here's a thread on a Giants forum where they discuss Fleener vs Allen........


http://boards.giants.com/forums/2/2494415/ShowThread.aspx

I've always been on the Fleener boat. The way I see it, is that we have a team that is ready to win it all right now. We had a pretty good offense that could get down the field but when we got into the redzone we settled for too many FGs. We also would go cold on offense at times because we couldn't convert on 3rd downs and if it wasn't for our Def. getting a ton of turnovers we would have been screwed... Fleener seems like he immediately helps where we struggled. He knows the system and he is a big target to throw to in limited space. Alex doesn't really throw the deep ball that much. To get a wr that stretches the field might take a couple of years to develop. If we get lucky and pick the right wr, we will have a chance that he learns the offense right away and Alex builds great chemistry with him. If not, than I think we will be waiting a couple of years for some wr's to develop and we might miss the window of opportunity with Justin Smith, Gore and some of our contracts that are not so expensive at the moment. We can grab Fleener and at the very least eliminate some of VD's double coverages and give Alex another big target for all of those times we get into the redzone. Another 6'2 wr with good speed might not fix the redzone problem right away.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I really hope he runs slow. I'm hoping for like a 4.65-4.70 40 or something like, if he runs under a 4.6, then yeah he probably will get snatched up before the 49ers pick.

You and me both, Phoenix...


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