Coby Fleener - TE Stanford

Originally posted by ImaMod:
No we dont. lol not even close
Hakeem Nicks is a beast, Kenny Britt is on his way and was great this season before he got injured, Maclin is very good, DHB was more productive this year than Crabtree, Percy Harvins been more productive
I dont think you can say Crabtree is better than any of those guys
We dont have a #1 on our roster, Crabtree is not even close to what he was picked to be

I still would rather take a WR like Rueben Randlem whos projected so far to be a late 1st rounder, over Coby Fleener if he is there.
6'4 and runs 4.4 to 4.5

I know Im not going to change your mind about drafting Fleener and you're not going to change my mind so I guses this argument is pointless

Fleener still has a lot lower bust factor than Randle, especially considering how limited his involvement was in the offense, not to mention the recent history of LSU WR's. Remember this guy named Craig "Buster" Davis? Yeah, most people don't, he was far more productive in college and ended up as a colossal waste of a draft pick. Actually going by the numbers, you far more likely to bust on a WR in the 1st round than ANY OTHER position period.


The difference I look at is this, there's about 3 premium tight-ends, and then a big talent drop-off, however at WR, you have tons of talent and most of it is in the middle rounds 2-5. I'd wager a tidy amount that the best WR to come out of this draft will emerge from those later rounds and not necessarily the 1st round.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Fleener still has a lot lower bust factor than Randle, especially considering how limited his involvement was in the offense, not to mention the recent history of LSU WR's. Remember this guy named Craig "Buster" Davis? Yeah, most people don't, he was far more productive in college and ended up as a colossal waste of a draft pick. Actually going by the numbers, you far more likely to bust on a WR in the 1st round than ANY OTHER position period.


The difference I look at is this, there's about 3 premium tight-ends, and then a big talent drop-off, however at WR, you have tons of talent and most of it is in the middle rounds 2-5. I'd wager a tidy amount that the best WR to come out of this draft will emerge from those later rounds and not necessarily the 1st round.

lol I remember Buster Davis, drafted by the Chargers I think. Randle had a s**tty QB throwing to him though but he still showed he had talent, and he has the size were looking for as well as good speed which is mainly why I want him

we'll see, in Harbaalke I trust

Originally posted by ImaMod:
lol I remember Buster Davis, drafted by the Chargers I think. Randle had a s**tty QB throwing to him though but he still showed he had talent, and he has the size were looking for as well as good speed which is mainly why I want him

we'll see, in Harbaalke I trust

Whatever happens I'll trust that they made the best possible decision. I won't get all butt-hurt like some people last year who wanted Quinn or Amukamara and got irate after the Aldon Smith pick. Realistically, the only positions that this team wouldn't draft in the 1st round are QB, RB, OT and ILB. Otherwise a player at every other offensive/defensive position could be fit in somehow.

Originally posted by ImaMod:
No we dont. lol not even close
Hakeem Nicks is a beast, Kenny Britt is on his way and was great this season before he got injured, Maclin is very good, DHB was more productive this year than Crabtree, Percy Harvins been more productive
I dont think you can say Crabtree is better than any of those guys
We dont have a #1 on our roster, Crabtree is not even close to what he was picked to be, but I hope he breaks outt his year

I still would rather take a WR like Rueben Randlem whos projected so far to be a late 1st rounder, over Coby Fleener if he is there.
6'4 and runs 4.4 to 4.5

I know Im not going to change your mind about drafting Fleener and you're not going to change my mind so I guses this argument is pointless

..........I'm not going to change your mind on the fact that Crabtree is a #1 either.....If we draft a WR it better be Randle or I'll be furious.

EDIT LOL: Tried to let slide but I couldn't in terms of pure receiving statistics there is simply way that Crabtree has performed worse then Britt or DHB os at minimum from that standpoint Crabtree is the #4 WR in the class behind Nicks, Harvin then Maclin. There is no way Britt would have kept up his blistering pace of 130 yard games or the whole world would've wanted to know if he had gone all Space Jam on Jerry Rice and stolen his powers. Probably would've still topped 1K maybe 1200 yards but not 1600, not with Hasselbeck throwing him the ball and CJ2K playing as poorly as he did.

Harvin and Nicks had or have 2 of the great QBs of all time(farve) or recent memory(eli) throwing them the ball so you almost have to expect great things from them.

Maclin and Crabtree are essentially tied in my book as Maclin has statistically outperformed Crabtree but isn't as strong a all-around receiver as Crabtree, he also has played in one of the most high octane offenses in recent years so he'd better put up good numbers.

Take Crabtree and have Farve or Eli throw to him and he'd be amazing, put him in the same kind of high octane offense he played in during college and he'd be amazing.

He's done so much with so little its ridiculous, 3 QBs, 3 coordinators, overcoming his own idiotic tendencies with that hold out etc. Had he played all 16 games his rookie year he would have had 60 catches for 909 yards and 6 TDs which in comparison would be his best year. It also statistically puts him on par with Harvin and Maclin, in terms of career stats.

Not believing that Crabtree is a #1 is just the desire to have a Jerry Rice like receiver again which I get but its not realistic to think we dont have a #1 on the team right now. Also the fact that offense like NE, NO, GB, NY, PIT etc have 2 wideouts each posting 1K receiving yards leaves us wanting more but they also have all-pro/hall of fame QBs throwing them the ball. We have Alex Smith.

Okay I'm done now :D

top 2 choices for first round
Fleener or Randle. Either one will do the job we need, a playmaker capable of improving our passing and blocking game :D

I'm warming up to the idea of drafting him, but depends on a few things first:

-1st in the offseason we don't get a good WR (even if Morgan resigns)
-2nd we don't lose a core guy on defense (Goldson, Rogers, or Brooks)
-3rd if at that point in the draft there are no cleaner WR better than him
-4th there is no great defensive prospect
-5th he is BPA

Then we take him...Alot of things have to fall in line though!

Originally posted by sfout:

Originally posted by ImaMod:

No we dont. lol not even close
Hakeem Nicks is a beast, Kenny Britt is on his way and was great this season before he got injured, Maclin is very good, DHB was more productive this year than Crabtree, Percy Harvins been more productive
Oi dont think you can say Crabtree is better than any of those guys
We dont have a #1 on our roster, Crabtree is not even close to what he was picked to be, but I hope he breaks outt his year

I still would rather take a WR like Rueben Randlem whos projected so far to be a late 1st rounder, over Coby Fleener if he is there.
6'4 and runs 4.4 to 4.5

I know Im not going to change your mind about drafting Fleener and you're not going to change my mind so I guses this argument is pointless

..........I'm not going to change your mind on the fact that Crabtree is a #1 either.....If we draft a WR it better be Randle or I'll be furious.

EDIT LOL: Tried to let slide but I couldn't in terms of pure receiving statistics there is simply way that Crabtree has performed worse then Britt or DHB os at minimum from that standpoint Crabtree is the #4 WR in the class behind Nicks, Harvin then Maclin. There is no way Britt would have kept up his blistering pace of 130 yard games or the whole world would've wanted to know if he had gone all Space Jam on Jerry Rice and stolen his powers. Probably would've still topped 1K maybe 1200 yards but not 1600, not with Hasselbeck throwing him the ball and CJ2K playing as poorly as he did.

Harvin and Nicks had or have 2 of the great QBs of all time(farve) or recent memory(eli) throwing them the ball so you almost have to expect great things from them.

Maclin and Crabtree are essentially tied in my book as Maclin has statistically outperformed Crabtree but isn't as strong a all-around receiver as Crabtree, he also has played in one of the most high octane offenses in recent years so he'd better put up good numbers.

Take Crabtree and have Farve or Eli throw to him and he'd be amazing, put him in the same kind of high octane offense he played in during college and he'd be amazing.

He's done so much with so little its ridiculous, 3 QBs, 3 coordinators, overcoming his own idiotic tendencies with that hold out etc. Had he played all 16 games his rookie year he would have had 60 catches for 909 yards and 6 TDs which in comparison would be his best year. It also statistically puts him on par with Harvin and Maclin, in terms of career stats.

Not believing that Crabtree is a #1 is just the desire to have a Jerry Rice like receiver again which I get but its not realistic to think we dont have a #1 on the team right now. Also the fact that offense like NE, NO, GB, NY, PIT etc have 2 wideouts each posting 1K receiving yards leaves us wanting more but they also have all-pro/hall of fame QBs throwing them the ball. We have Alex Smith.

Okay I'm done now :D

top 2 choices for first round
Fleener or Randle. Either one will do the job we need, a playmaker capable of improving our passing and blocking game :D

Crabscuses. Dudes under performed period. Not being able to separate has nothing to do with qb's our oc's. He has attitude issues. That will be proven when the team declines to renew his contract and allows him to leave via FA.

Originally posted by ImaMod:
Ya and we still wouldnt have a #1 WR



I would rather have Michael Crabtree. I dont want our starting receivers to be Kyle Williams and Brett Swaine in the NFC championship game



yay a bunch of #2 WRs = logic. Ok I think I get it now lets ignore one of the biggest reasons we lost in the NFC championship game and stock pile #2 and #3 WRs and waste a first round pick on something we already have and dont need

Like they could have done any worse than Crabtree. It's not hard to top 1 catch for 10 yards.

Seriously though Williams and Swaine were 5 and not on our team to start the year on the depth chart. Morgan, Edwards, and Ginn had to get cut/ hurt for that situation to happen.

What did Hernandez do against the Giants btw. 8 catches 67 yards and a TD. If Gronk was healthy it's a different ballgame.

Originally posted by WINiner:
Crabscuses. Dudes under performed period. Not being able to separate has nothing to do with qb's our oc's. He has attitude issues. That will be proven when the team declines to renew his contract and allows him to leave via FA.

I know this is a Fleener Thread but what's your criteria for under performing????? Your preception of his attitude has little to do with his stats and his play. You mentioned seperation but in that where he disappoints for you?? It seems confusing.

Here's a scenario for yas...draft Fleener, re-sign Morgan and sign Manningham. That would give us a terrific bookend to Vernon, a great RZ target, solid receiver in Morgan and a deep threat in Manningham. Tell me that wouldn't juice up our passing game...

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Here's a scenario for yas...draft Fleener, re-sign Morgan and sign Manningham. That would give us a terrific bookend to Vernon, a great RZ target, solid receiver in Morgan and a deep threat in Manningham. Tell me that wouldn't juice up our passing game...

That would have me pointing under my desk . Add in a WR like Brazil to add KR/PR depth or J. White and the WR corp is fixed for the long term.

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Here's a scenario for yas...draft Fleener, re-sign Morgan and sign Manningham. That would give us a terrific bookend to Vernon, a great RZ target, solid receiver in Morgan and a deep threat in Manningham. Tell me that wouldn't juice up our passing game...

What is people's strange obsession with Manningham. He's not quick, he does well in the Giants offense because of the other threats around him and because Eli can put the ball right on the money but the dude just isn't impressive, he doesn't get great separation, Giants fans think he's dumb as rock, he's known to run the wrong route at times, like earlier in the year against the 49ers where Manning got intercepted because Manningham gave up on the route. I don't see how he's an improvement over Josh Morgan in any single way possible.

Put Morgan or Crabtree in that offense and they're putting up the same or even better numbers. What the 49ers need is someone who's quick, if not literally blows the top off the defense, then can get down the field fast, or move off the line quickly and be a threat on slant plays.....etc, basically someone who can get open......the difference is that in NY, Eli was basically THROWING guys open, with this offense, the 49ers need either big physical receivers who can use their body to create space or very quick, fast guys who can create some separation from defensive backs, Manningham is neither of those, he's just more of the same. Average possession receiver.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

What is people's strange obsession with Manningham. He's not quick, he does well in the Giants offense because of the other threats around him and because Eli can put the ball right on the money but the dude just isn't impressive, he doesn't get great separation, Giants fans think he's dumb as rock, he's known to run the wrong route at times, like earlier in the year against the 49ers where Manning got intercepted because Manningham gave up on the route. I don't see how he's an improvement over Josh Morgan in any single way possible.

This. I don't want Manningham

Originally posted by ImaMod:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
What is people's strange obsession with Manningham. He's not quick, he does well in the Giants offense because of the other threats around him and because Eli can put the ball right on the money but the dude just isn't impressive, he doesn't get great separation, Giants fans think he's dumb as rock, he's known to run the wrong route at times, like earlier in the year against the 49ers where Manning got intercepted because Manningham gave up on the route. I don't see how he's an improvement over Josh Morgan in any single way possible.

This. I don't want Manningham

I don't want him either. Not that big. Not that fast. I don't get the hype on the WZ. He has tons of other receiving threats around him plus Eli throwing to him. I don't think he'd be that great for us.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by ImaMod:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
What is people's strange obsession with Manningham. He's not quick, he does well in the Giants offense because of the other threats around him and because Eli can put the ball right on the money but the dude just isn't impressive, he doesn't get great separation, Giants fans think he's dumb as rock, he's known to run the wrong route at times, like earlier in the year against the 49ers where Manning got intercepted because Manningham gave up on the route. I don't see how he's an improvement over Josh Morgan in any single way possible.

This. I don't want Manningham

I don't want him either. Not that big. Not that fast. I don't get the hype on the WZ. He has tons of other receiving threats around him plus Eli throwing to him. I don't think he'd be that great for us.

Agree. Would rather get Fleener in the first and Stephen hill in the second.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by ImaMod:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
What is people's strange obsession with Manningham. He's not quick, he does well in the Giants offense because of the other threats around him and because Eli can put the ball right on the money but the dude just isn't impressive, he doesn't get great separation, Giants fans think he's dumb as rock, he's known to run the wrong route at times, like earlier in the year against the 49ers where Manning got intercepted because Manningham gave up on the route. I don't see how he's an improvement over Josh Morgan in any single way possible.

This. I don't want Manningham

I don't want him either. Not that big. Not that fast. I don't get the hype on the WZ. He has tons of other receiving threats around him plus Eli throwing to him. I don't think he'd be that great for us.

He caught a pass in the Superbowl