Phoenix 49ers Mock Draft V2.0

Originally posted by communist:
Round 1:
do like a lot. Don't think that one needs to say more about that.

Round 2:
do like as well because we, like almost every teem, need some change-of-pace back BADLY.

Round 3:
another well-known weakness would be eliminated

Round 4:
nice one. A DB who can play Safety and CB is always a good choice especially if he can tackle well.

Round 5:
Nice job.

Round 6:
like it. Never stops? an additional Borland, why not. Perhaps we can use him at ST and if he is a better football player than Moody than, who knows, he could be an ILB as well.

Round 7:
Meh.

comp 4:
like but I'm afraid that he won't be available there.

comp 7:
will always like the d-line

Now the suprising overall grade:
B-

Why?
Imho, you always need some quality at the trenches. You don't give us any. Iupati will be gone, Boone could be gone next off-season, Looney? Thomas coming from IR? Sorry, the o-line is WAY too important to gamble like you do.
Imho, we have to and will pull the trigger on a lineman within the first four rounds, especially if we get a comp 4th rounder.

Furthermore, more pass-rushing OLBs are needed, imho. Yeah, you go with the guy from USC. Why not in the first four rounds? I do like versatile guys like the DB but if there is a pass-rusher, I'd take him within a heartbeat. Sophomore slump by Lynch, Aldon banned again, Skuta not a pass-rusher at all, Brooks gone., Lemonier is a loser so far, dont know s**t about Thomas' ability in the NFL. No thanks, don't want to watch how the opposing QB is choosing his target when he is zipping tea at the same time because he got way too much time in the pocket.

I don't see the OL as that pressing of a need. Not with Thomas coming in, with a healthy Kilgore, and then you have Marcus Martin, Davis, Staley, Boone, plus you throw in a developmental tackle for depth. Seeing as how all the signs point that they are moving to a zone blocking scheme, OL becomes a bit less pressing in the early rounds. Personally I wouldn't worry about OL until the 4th or 5th round.



As far as pass rusher goes, I see a dominant NT and speed on offense as the much more pressing and immediate needs, along with CB if both Cox and Culliver walk, or even if one of them walks. They will definitely need more depth at OLB but I just don't see it as primary need in front of the others. You only have so many picks and you have to fill as many needs as possible.


I don't see Mannion gone before the 4th round at all. Better QB's than him have fallen further down the draft boards and I think there will be a run on QB's early and then a huge drop off until the 5th round or so. I see Mannion falling into that latter group, particularly after an underwhelming week of practices at the Senior Bowl.

I love the Shelton pick.

It'll be nice to have a legitimate 0 technique, two-gap devouring monster that can also get push.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Please show me were the small speedsters have been successful on this team. . . . . .

Can't compare success of a players size with our past coaching staffs to project how a player will or will not succeed with this new staff.

Who frikken cares if we have a couple of small WRs and one or two guys over 6ft. What's wrong with having different size guys with different skill sets, speed, etc.

I don't get it, what in the blue **** is the problem with having different sizes

For the record, I hope we go Dline with the first pick!

I'm not sure what the 49ers will do in the 1st round, but the MO under Baalke has been to identify quality defensive players and good offensive lineman. In the 1st round I think the selection of Shelton makes perfect sense. At NT you have Williams (injury), Dorsey (injury), Dial (better suited to DE anyways). So having a guy like Shelton up the middle gives the defense options on where to plug and play players going forward which is a huge asset. This team is built around the defense and that (clearly) isn't going to change under Baalke/Tomsula.

This may be my favorite mock draft of them all in terms of the talent acquired, where they are acquired, team needs, and my own personal favorites :-).

For a long time, I have wanted the 49ers to have an dominant NT. Someone capable of playing at an All-Pro level. I think Dorsey did a great job at NT and Ian Williams is good as well, but Shelton is a different beast altogether. It would be great to have a dominant NT to make the job easier on the DE's for once (Imagine if Justin Smith were playing next to a Vince Wilfork type?). Shelton also demonstrated some pass rush ability. If we move Dorsey over the DE, I think we can have a run defense that could match what we had in 2011, and get some pass rush from Tank Carradine and Quinton Dial.

Another homerun hit on the Duke Johnson pick. Some people feel we need a Melvin Gordon or even Todd Gurley. However, I truly see Jamal Charles type of ability in Duke Johnson. I've been on the Phillip Dorsett bandwagon for awhile and heard he really captured the attention of scouts during the practices at the senior bowl. This upsets me because I was hoping that we could've gotten him later, but a strong showing this week coupled with what should likely be a good performance during the Combine probably will have him going in the 4th at the latest.

Sexton is an interesting prospect. I don't think we are exactly "set" at TE, but we do have some talented players in the mix. I think Vernon Davis had a bad season, but should bounce back in 2015, especially if we do add Rod Chudzinski. Having Tony Sparano as his TE coach and Rod Chudzinski calling the plays would be the best thing for his career. I expect Vance McDonald to improve as well, and we have Trey Milliard, Garrett Celek, and Derek Carrier in the mix. I think that is ample talent at that position. Instead I'd like a 3-4 DE prospect for Coach Tomsula/our new D-Line coach to develop here or even a safety here.

I am also guessing we are of the opinion that OL isn't that high of a need. A combination of things lead to the poor play last season.

I dislike the 7th round pick lol. But seriously, he is a good pick up at that point. If nothing else, maybe they can be a redzone target.

Like the picks and I wouldn't be upset if it went down like this....couple questions.

You said if they grab Shelton they might move Dorsey to DE, wasn't that his position at KC and he was on his was to becoming a bust before moving to NT here?

Love the Duke Johnson pick but this draft is deep at RB and maybe a 2nd rd pick (depending on Gore) might be to early. Thoughts on Carl Davis in the 2nd and K White in the 1st??

Thoughts on Devin Smith or Tyler Lockett instead of Dorsett? They are both plenty fast.

And I'll pass on Mannion in the 4th....I've been reading he looks undraftable at the SB practices.

I just think we have been able to get the most out of the DL and have been able to develop that position at the next level, but WR not so much.... so maybe grabbing a "safer" pick at WR would be wise vs DL.

just my 2 cents...best mock I've seen so far though

Who are the 14 players you think are gonna get picked before Shelton ?

Phoenix.
Would Dorsett be the Niners' #1 receiver next season?

Hell yes to taking the #1 rated NT. Him and Dial will be stalwarts for the next 6 years. Keep Bow/Borland clean to run sideline to sideline. If Shelton can give push as a pass rusher up the middle, then that compliments the A Team (Aldon/ Aaron) well. Get Tomsula a blue chip behemoth of a prospect to work with.

I take it the drop off between Shelton and the #2 rated NT is big. If it's not too steep a drop off, then I would consider a WR in the first too.

WR size doesn't matter. It's all about creating separation and catch radius. Some small guys have a big catch radius (BLloyd). Some big guys have a small catch radius (VD).

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Phoenix.
Would Dorsett be the Niners' #1 receiver next season?

I see him as a complementary piece, with Boldin being #1, Johnson #2 and Dorsett in a rotation as a deep threat, while you've got Patton and Ellington sharing snaps as well. I think the speed of a guy like Dorsett would certainly open up opportunities for guys like Boldin. Lockett is another guy that I think could fit that role very well

Then again I probably have more faith in Ellington and Patton as receivers than most, I think both have very good potential but were mostly mismanaged by the previous coaching staff.



If not Shelton in the 1st round, my other preference would be Kevin White but I think with the possibility of Justin Smith retiring, if Shelton can be a dominant NT in the NFL, to me that is the bigger need. New England has regularly changed out their DE's but the one constant has been Wilfork in the middle. I could see Shelton being that kind of player and having a guy like that changes everything on a defense and I believe could let the 49ers do well, even with lesser players at DE. If Mangini is going to play a 2 gap system, then getting a big space eater of sorts in the middle will pretty much be a necessity. Fortunately, even outside of Shelton there's a few pretty good ones in this draft as well.

Originally posted by DeUh:
Who are the 14 players you think are gonna get picked before Shelton ?

Putting me on the spot huh........

Off the top of my head, Winston, Mariota, Cooper, Williams, Gregory, Fowler, Ray, Peat, Scherff, White, PJ Williams, Collins, Beasley, Collins and Thompson.

If I had to do a rough mock...


Tampa Bay-1-Winston

Tennessee-2-Mariota

Jacksonville-3-Leonard Williams

Oakland-4-Cooper

Washington-5-Gregory

New York Jets-6-Ray

Chicago Bears-7-Landon Collins

Atlanta Falcons-8-Fowler

New York Giants-9-Peat

St Louis Rams-10-Scherff

Minnesota-11-Williams

Cleveland-12-Kevin White

New Orleans-13-La'el Collins

Miami-14-Shaq Thompson

Originally posted by NYniner85:
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And I'll pass on Mannion in the 4th....I've been reading he looks undraftable at the SB practices.

Teddy Bridgewater is the best example of why you shouldn't give too much weight to offseason performance. Taking his whole body of work into account, I think Mannion looks like a solid prospect, one of the few guys from this draft that I think you could put in at QB for a few games next season and not have it be a complete train wreck. If he never develops into a starter, I could definitely see him being a pretty good backup QB.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
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And I'll pass on Mannion in the 4th....I've been reading he looks undraftable at the SB practices.

Teddy Bridgewater is the best example of why you shouldn't give too much weight to offseason performance. Taking his whole body of work into account, I think Mannion looks like a solid prospect, one of the few guys from this draft that I think you could put in at QB for a few games next season and not have it be a complete train wreck. If he never develops into a starter, I could definitely see him being a pretty good backup QB.

Besides his JR year his #'s weren't anything special and Teddy was definitely more consistent, but I get your point regarding off season performance. I just feel there is more value in the 4th at other positions then him. I'd rather get a FA as a backup then develop one (who knows what this coaching staff will be able too).

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Putting me on the spot huh........

Haha !

Thanks for the list.